by ti-amie DAY 11: THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 8

ARTHUR ASHE STADIUM 7:00 PM

WOMEN'S SINGLES SF
FRA C. Garcia [17] vs TUN O. Jabeur [5]
WOMEN'S SINGLES SF
Upcoming
POL I. Swiatek [1] vs A. Sabalenka [6]

LOUIS ARMSTRONG STADIUM 12:00 PM

MEN'S DOUBLES SF
R. Ram [1]/GBR J. Salisbury [1] vs COL J. Cabal [13]/COL R. Farah [13]
MEN'S DOUBLES SF
Upcoming
ESA M. Arevalo [3]/NED J. Rojer [3] vs NED W. Koolhof [2]/GBR N. Skupski [2]
MIXED DOUBLES SF
Not before 2:30 PM
TBD vs AUS S. Sanders [4]/AUS J. Peers [4]
WOMEN'S DOUBLES SF
Upcoming
USA N. Melichar-Martinez [10]/AUS E. Perez [10] vs CZE B. Krejcikova [3]/CZE K. Siniakova [3]

COURT 17 12:00 PM

JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES QF
USA C. Ngounoue vs CZE L. Havlickova [2]
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES QF
Upcoming
SUI C. Naef [4] vs CAN V. Mboko [9]
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA N. Block/USA P. Charney vs NED R. Nijkamp/KEN A. Okutoyi

COURT 5 12:00 PM

WC MEN'S SINGLES R2
JPN S. Kunieda [1] vs ESP M. De la Puente
WC WOMEN'S SINGLES R2
Upcoming
JPN M. Tanaka vs NED J. Griffioen
WC MEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
NED T. Egberink/BEL J. Gerard vs ARG G. Fernandez/JPN S. Kunieda
WC WOMEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
USA D. Mathewson/GBR L. Shuker vs JPN Y. Kamiji [2]/RSA K. Montjane [2]

COURT 10 12:00 PM

WC MEN'S SINGLES R2
FRA N. Peifer vs JPN T. Oda [4]
JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA O. Baris [8]/USA N. Basavareddy [8] vs GBR P. Brady/GBR W. Jansen
WC MEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
NED M. Scheffers/NED R. Spaargaren vs ESP M. De la Puente [2]/FRA N. Peifer [2]

COURT 13 12:00 PM

WC WOMEN'S SINGLES R2
NED D. De Groot [1] vs JPN M. Ohtani
WC QUAD DOUBLES SF
Upcoming
NED S. Schroder [1]/NED N. Vink [1] vs RSA D. Ramphadi/JPN K. Sugeno
WC WOMEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
NED D. De Groot [1]/NED A. Van Koot [1] vs COL A. Bernal/JPN S. Funamizu
WC WOMEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
FRA P. Deroulede/GER K. Kruger vs JPN M. Tanaka/CHN Z. Zhu

COURT 4 12:00 PM

WC MEN'S SINGLES R2
JPN T. Miki vs NED R. Spaargaren
WC WOMEN'S SINGLES R2
Upcoming
RSA K. Montjane vs JPN Y. Kamiji [2]
WC MEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
GBR A. Hewett [1]/GBR G. Reid [1] vs ESP D. Caverzaschi/USA J. Keatseangsilp
WC WOMEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
CHI M. Cabrillana/JPN S. Takamuro vs NED J. Griffioen/JPN M. Ohtani

COURT 6 12:00 PM

WC MEN'S SINGLES R2
NED T. Egberink vs GBR A. Hewett [2]
WC QUAD DOUBLES SF
Upcoming
AUS H. Davidson/GBR A. Lapthorne vs CAN R. Shaw [2]/USA D. Wagner [2]
WC MEN'S DOUBLES QF
Upcoming
JPN T. Miki/USA C. Ratzlaff vs CHI A. Cataldo/JPN T. Oda
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
GER C. Kuhl/GER E. Seidel vs TBD

COURT 7 12:00 PM

WC WOMEN'S SINGLES R2
Upcoming
NED A. Van Koot [3] vs GER K. Kruger
JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA A. Kim/USA L. Tien vs SUI D. Dietrich/BOL J. Prado Angelo
JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
SUI K. Feldbausch/POL O. Pieczkowski vs USA K. Bigun/USA M. Bigun
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
SLO E. Milic/POL M. Rowinska vs TBD

COURT 8 12:00 PM

JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
USA B. Nakashima/USA H. Rivera vs PER G. Bueno [2]/PER I. Buse [2]
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES QF
Upcoming
USA K. Kang vs BEL G. Bailly [2]
JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
SVK P. Nad/SVK P. Privara vs NZL J. Loutit/GBR M. Rankin
JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
TBD vs TBD

COURT 9 12:00 PM

JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES QF
M. Andreeva [14] vs PHI A. Eala [10]
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES QF
Upcoming
BEL A. Blockx vs ESP M. Landaluce [5]
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA K. Hui/USA E. Yu vs TBD
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
TBD vs USA A. Blokhina/CAN A. Xu

COURT 11 12:00 PM

JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES QF
D. Shnaider [7] vs GBR R. Stoiber
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA L. Hovde [3]/AUS T. Preston [3] vs AUS C. Kempenaers-Pocz/JPN S. Saito
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
CZE L. Havlickova [1]/D. Shnaider [1] vs SVK R. Jamrichova/SVK N. Vargova
JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
FRA P. Inchauspe/USA C. Williams vs ESP M. Landaluce [3]/ESP P. Rodenas [3]

COURT 12 12:00 PM

JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES QF
HKG C. Wong [9] vs SUI K. Feldbausch [3]
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES QF
Upcoming
PAR D. Vallejo [1] vs CZE H. Barton
JUNIOR GIRLS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
CAN M. Kupres/GBR R. Stoiber vs JPN S. Ishii/THA L. Tararudee
JUNIOR BOYS' DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
TBD vs USA D. Blanch/USA S. Brockett

COURT 14 12:00 PM

JUNIOR BOYS' WC SINGLES QF
GBR B. Bartram [1] vs NED I. van Rijt
JUNIOR GIRLS' WC SINGLES QF
Upcoming
USA L. Lautenschlager vs BRA J. Moreira Lanai
JUNIOR BOYS' WC SINGLES QF
Upcoming
GBR D. Ward vs GBR A. Penney [2]
JUNIOR GIRLS' WC SINGLES QF
Upcoming
USA S. Czauz vs GBR R. Bishop [2]

COURT 15 12:00 PM

JUNIOR BOYS' WC SINGLES QF
GBR J. Johns vs AUS S. Naser
MATCH PREVIEW
JUNIOR GIRLS' WC SINGLES QF
Upcoming
USA M. Phelps [1] vs GER E. Porges
JUNIOR BOYS' WC SINGLES QF
Upcoming
AUT M. Taucher vs USA C. Cooper
JUNIOR GIRLS' WC SINGLES QF
Upcoming
GBR E. Robertson vs JPN Y. Takamuro

by ashkor87 dont know much about the juniors.. any of them worth keeping an eye on in future?

by skatingfan Sharapova in the booth right now during the Jaeur-Garcia match - nice things to say about Serena - apparently they talked at the MET Gala last year about Serena getting back out on court - praising the games of both players - talking about being a mom.

by shtexas I guess this is where Garcia's great summer ends.

by shmrck14 Garcia could not be any more different than she was in the quarterfinals. She looks absolutely overwhelmed.

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by dryrunguy This is not a prediction. But I'm curious... When was the last time we had two first-time major winners at the same major? I'm pretty sure it has been a while.

by ponchi101 Last year here. Medvedev & Emma.
I know we really can't remember Emma. Nice girl, plays a bit.

by skatingfan

dryrunguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:20 am This is not a prediction. But I'm curious... When was the last time we had two first-time major winners at the same major? I'm pretty sure it has been a while.

A whole year.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:34 am Last year here. Medvedev & Emma.
I know we really can't remember Emma. Nice girl, plays a bit.

by dryrunguy I'll crawl back under my rock now.

by JazzNU

ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:30 am

The stubborn refusal to just not say African is truly astounding. And offensive. Amanda Coetzer never made it to a GS final, and she's the player whose records Jabeur has been breaking so who the heck is the female player that made them go North African here? I seriously can't think of a single possibility and I'm pretty sure that's because there are no other Africans to reach the women's final, so there was zero need for that.

by ti-amie

He didn't do this for the first set so I guess he's an Iga stan...

by ponchi101 Sabalenka disappeared completely for the set.
She is like a dragster: one speed, just shift gears till maximum speed. A lot of times, spin out of control.
I wonder how do you coach players like that.

by ti-amie

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:21 am Sabalenka disappeared completely for the set.
She is like a dragster: one speed, just shift gears till maximum speed. A lot of times, spin out of control.
I wonder how do you coach players like that.

Maybe use the Karen Walker approach?

by skatingfan

JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:58 am The stubborn refusal to just not say African is truly astounding. And offensive. Amanda Coetzer never made it to a GS final, and she's the player whose records Jabeur has been breaking so who the heck is the female player that made them go North African here? I seriously can't think of a single possibility and I'm pretty sure that's because there are no other Africans to reach the women's final, so there was zero need for that.

Why don’t we think of north Africa as part of Africa?
Iman Amrani

I’m Algerian but sometimes it seems that ‘black African’ is the only category that exists. In truth, through our shared history there’s a strong glue that connects us

When a Guardian article stated that Chigozie Obioma was the “sole African writer” to be longlisted for the 2015 Booker prize, the journalist in question had clearly forgotten there was life north of the Sahara. Thankfully, the Moroccan-born writer Laila Lalami, who was also longlisted, was quick to remind him, tweeting: “I am African. It’s an identity I’m often denied but that I will always insist upon”.

I know Lalami’s frustration well. Every time I have to declare my ethnicity I am reminded that “black African” is seemingly the only category that exists. Being both Algerian and British, I am constantly explaining why I identify as European and African – as though I’m “choosing” to be African, rather than it simply being a fact.

In politics and academia, north African countries are commonly grouped with the Middle East under the umbrella of MENA. In conferences I have been to on “African” issues, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt have often had tokenistic representation, if any at all.

But the identity equation isn’t as simple as Arabic speakers equal Arab people. There are still communities across the Maghreb that speak Berber or Amazigh and a dialect called darija that heavily features French and Spanish phrases. Besides, being Arab isn’t an alternative to being African, or even black. Mauritanians and Sudanese can identify as all three at once.

The religion argument isn’t watertight either. Islam is the dominant religion in parts of east Africa and the Sahel, with notably large communities in Tanzania, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, Ethiopia and Eritrea. Perhaps then, it simply boils down to colour. Could it be that to be African is to be black? And if so, what shade will do? Are the South Sudanese, with a pigment that is dark, rich and beautiful, more African than their neighbours to the north, of lighter skin? Surely a categorisation based on race is too reductive and ignores the continent’s great diversity in nations, cultures and ethnicities.

That leaves the question of culture. At a party a Nigerian quizzed me about Algeria: “Is it conservative like Saudi Arabia?”, he asked. “No,” I replied. “It’s conservative like Nigeria.”

Whether through football, music or film, Algerians have more in common with Nigerians than Saudis. Ivorian coupé-décalé legends Magic System have joined forces with rai heavyweights Cheb Khaled and 113 as well as a number of lesser-known Maghrebi artists. During the African Cup of Nations, crowds cluster around televisions across the continent to see their national teams play, in an event that brings every corner of Africa together.

The migrant experience also unifies the continent. In France’s banlieues, immigrants from the former African colonies – north and south of the Sahara – share cramped conditions, as well as a sense of isolation and discrimination. The Arabs driving sports cars or shopping on the Champs Elysées are more likely to be from the Gulf states than from the Maghreb.

Certainly there is something to be said about north Africans trying to distance themselves from “black Africa”. This is as much about sources of influence and power (after independence, countries like Egypt and Algeria looked to the Middle East for a model of an Islamic nation, or north to Europe for economic partnerships) as it is about the racism that exists here as it does everywhere else in the world.

Perhaps the glue that most strongly connects north Africa to the rest of the continent is colonial history. France’s colonial troops included soldiers from Algeria, Senegal, Mali, Burkina Faso, Benin, Chad, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Niger and the Republic of Congo. These Africans fought side by side in the second world war and the traces of this are still present in the collective memory of these countries. The British used soldiers from Egypt, as well as many from the other former colonies including Nigeria, South Africa and Kenya.

In 1962 north Africa and South Africa were both struggling against colonialism and apartheid when Nelson Mandela went to receive military training with the Algerian FLN in Morocco. In 1969, Algiers hosted the Pan-African culture festival. Historically, African nations have had shared struggles.

Of course, north Africa benefits from being linked to the Middle East, both for business and development. Saudi is in the top five trading partners both for imports and exports with Egypt, but this relationship shouldn’t be exclusive. Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt share not only a colonial past with the rest of Africa, but also a physical continent. Although identity is largely subjective, some things are irrefutable and north Africa being in Africa is part of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ed-history

by ti-amie We could also go into how the Suez Canal separated the Arabian peninsula from the African mainland making it part of Asia but this is a thread about tennis where Sabalenka just broke Iga for 3-2 and has the AD on her serve. And she's now up 4-2.

by ponchi101 Well played by Swiatek. Aryna had it, but Swiatek just refused. And a much better match than the first one.
Iga on Saturday.

by dryrunguy For all the carnage early in the tournament, #1 vs #5 in the final is quite respectable.

by shmrck14

dryrunguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:06 am For all the carnage early in the tournament, #1 vs #5 in the final is quite respectable.

And the 2 most accomplished players of the year

by JazzNU

skatingfan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:34 am

JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:58 am The stubborn refusal to just not say African is truly astounding. And offensive. Amanda Coetzer never made it to a GS final, and she's the player whose records Jabeur has been breaking so who the heck is the female player that made them go North African here? I seriously can't think of a single possibility and I'm pretty sure that's because there are no other Africans to reach the women's final, so there was zero need for that.

Why don’t we think of north Africa as part of Africa?
Iman Amrani

Thanks I guess. I'm going to refrain from posting the first response that came to mind upon seeing this reply and just say, I believe you've largely missed my point.

by ponchi101 And both players will leave the tournament as #1 & #2. Sounds right.

by JazzNU

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:13 am And both players will leave the tournament as #1 & #2. Sounds right.

And maybe people will stop complaining so much about the rankings.

by skatingfan

JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:12 am Thanks I guess. I'm going to refrain from posting the first response that came to mind upon seeing this reply and just say, I believe you've largely missed my point.

I'm sorry. I thought your point was that we shouldn't draw a distinction that marks North Africa as not being part of Africa, which was the conclusion of the article I posted.

by ptmcmahon

JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:31 am

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:13 am And both players will leave the tournament as #1 & #2. Sounds right.

And maybe people will stop complaining so much about the rankings.

Wait... is that a pig flying over there?

by Deuce Yet another match that Sabalenka definitely could have won, but didn't. The choke was not as evident as some other chokes of hers, but it was there.
Swiatek beat her psychologically. For all the physical ability Sabalenka has, she is beaten psychologically more than aeny other current player. It's Arazi-like.
She has the physical talent/ability to win any tournament she enters - there's no question about that. But she comes up short too often for someone with that level of talent.

Sure, she's had a respectable career to this point in terms of tangible results. But she has so much physical ability for the game that her results should be better.
Only when (if) SHE believes she possesses as much talent as others see in her will she begin winning the matches which have been escaping her.

by Deuce

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:02 pm dont know much about the juniors.. any of them worth keeping an eye on in future?

^ Vicky Mboko - Canada.