by ti-amie DAY 7: SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 4
COMPETE
ARTHUR ASHE STADIUM 12:00 PM
MEN'S SINGLES R4
FRA C. Moutet vs NOR C. Ruud [5]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
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CHN S. Zhang vs USA C. Gauff [12]
7:00 PM
MEN'S SINGLES R4
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D. Medvedev [1] vs AUS N. Kyrgios [23]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
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TUN O. Jabeur [5] vs V. Kudermetova [18]
LOUIS ARMSTRONG STADIUM 11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R4
ESP A. Davidovich Fokina vs ITA M. Berrettini [13]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
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FRA C. Garcia [17] vs USA A. Riske-Amritraj [29]
MEN'S SINGLES R4
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ESP P. Carreno Busta [12] vs K. Khachanov [27]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
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L. Samsonova vs AUS A. Tomljanovic
GRANDSTAND 11:00 AM
MEN'S DOUBLES R3
FRA Q. Halys/FRA A. Mannarino vs ESA M. Arevalo [3]/NED J. Rojer [3]
MEN'S DOUBLES R3
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USA R. Ram [1]/GBR J. Salisbury [1] vs ITA S. Bolelli [15]/ITA F. Fognini [15]
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
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USA N. Melichar-Martinez [10]/AUS E. Perez [10] vs KAZ A. Danilina [8]/BRA B. Haddad Maia [8]
MIXED DOUBLES R2
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USA M. Keys/USA B. Fratangelo vs CHN S. Zhang [2]/CRO M. Pavic [2]
COURT 17 11:00 AM
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
CZE B. Krejcikova [3]/CZE K. Siniakova [3] vs JPN S. Aoyama [15]/TPE H. Chan [15]
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
Not before 12:00 PM
USA A. Muhammad [9]/JPN E. Shibahara [9] vs CAN G. Dabrowski [5]/MEX G. Olmos [5]
MIXED DOUBLES R2
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USA D. Krawczyk [1]/GBR N. Skupski [1] vs USA C. McNally/USA W. Blumberg
MIXED DOUBLES R2
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CAN L. Fernandez/USA J. Sock vs CAN G. Dabrowski/AUS M. Purcell
COURT 5 11:00 AM
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
BEL K. Flipkens/ESP S. Sorribes Tormo vs CHI A. Guarachi [13]/SLO A. Klepac [13]
MEN'S DOUBLES R3
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CRO N. Mektic [6]/CRO M. Pavic [6] vs NED R. Haase/AUT P. Oswald
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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SUI C. Naef [4] vs USA S. Macavei
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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PAR D. Vallejo [1] vs USA K. Bigun
COURT 10 11:00 AM
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
USA A. Ahn vs AUS T. Preston [8]
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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PER G. Bueno [7] vs USA J. Sarr
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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USA M. Zheng [16] vs POL B. Zgola
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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USA C. Baierl vs JPN R. Sakamoto
COURT 13 11:00 AM
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
USA M. Slama vs SVK N. Vargova
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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USA D. Blanch vs ESP P. Rodenas
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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CYP C. Koshis vs USA O. Baris
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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USA S. Daryabeigi vs FRA P. Inchauspe
COURT 4 11:00 AM
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
SRB B. Djuric vs SVK P. Nad
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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GBR E. McDonald vs USA E. Yu
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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GBR W. Jansen vs AUS J. Jin
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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GER E. Seidel vs USA S. Lam
COURT 6 11:00 AM
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
PHI A. Eala [10] vs CAN A. Xu
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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FRA Y. Bartashevich vs USA V. Glozman
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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POL M. Rowinska vs ARG S. Sierra [5]
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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POL M. Pawelski [10] vs TUR T. Tokac
COURT 7 11:00 AM
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
FRA P. Barbier Gazeu vs USA K. Kang
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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UKR A. Lopata vs USA Q. Lopez [16]
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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JPN S. Ishii vs USA I. Jovic
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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USA A. Michelsen vs THA T. Nirundorn
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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CZE H. Barton vs USA C. Williams
COURT 8 11:00 AM
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
BRA J. Fonseca vs CZE J. Nicod [11]
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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JPN H. Kinoshita vs M. Andreeva [14]
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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ESP R. Gonzalez Vilar vs SVK R. Jamrichova
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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BEL A. Basile vs KOR G. Campana Lee [13]
COURT 9 11:00 AM
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
GER C. Kuhl vs KEN A. Okutoyi
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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NZL J. Loutit vs USA A. Frusina
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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BOL J. Prado Angelo vs SUI K. Feldbausch [3]
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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E. Khayrutdinova vs JPN S. Saito [12]
COURT 11 11:00 AM
MEN'S DOUBLES R3
MON H. Nys/POL J. Zielinski vs URU A. Behar/ECU G. Escobar
MIXED DOUBLES R2
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AUS S. Sanders/[4] AUS J. Peers [4] vs USA B. Pera/USA J. Withrow
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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CAN V. Mboko [9] vs USA K. Quevedo
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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SVK N. Daubnerova [6] vs USA C. Ngounoue
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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FRA S. Iliev vs ARG L. Moyano
COURT 12 11:00 AM
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
ARG L. Midon [6] vs USA L. Tien
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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Y. Demin [14] vs USA N. Godsick
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JPN H. Matsuoka vs USA A. Kim
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BEL A. Waligora vs USA T. Evans
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USA A. Hamilton vs CZE L. Havlickova [2]
COURT 14 11:00 AM
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
USA A. Razeghi vs POL O. Pieczkowski
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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BUL D. Glushkova vs A. Gureva
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DEN R. Munk Mortensen vs ITA G. Pedone
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USA A. Anazagasty-Pursoo vs THA L. Tararudee
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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ROU M. Coman vs LTU E. Butvilas [8]
COURT 15 11:00 AM
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
PER G. Ballotta vs BEL G. Bailly [2]
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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BEL S. Costoulas [1] vs PER L. Perez Alarcon
JUNIOR BOYS' SINGLES R1
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PAR M. Vergara del Puerto vs HKG C. Wong [9]
JUNIOR GIRLS' SINGLES R1
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K. Zaytseva [15] vs CAN M. Kupres
by JTContinental Schwartzmann leaves the court after blowing 5 set points in the tiebreak, and the fans are treated to an extended shot of Tiafoe sitting shirtless on the sideline
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ponchi101 You are in tomorrow's topic...
by JTContinental The SP has me a day ahead.
by Suliso Medvedev vs Kyrgios. I'll be surprised if neither reaches the final.
by ponchi101 I say it is the match that decides the top half. In the bottom, Rafa looks very solid, especially after tonight's training session goes to form.
by Suliso Probably Nadal, but in the bottom half there are a couple other serious candidates.
by ashkor87 As. Calvin said - the world can't end tomorrow, it is already tomorrow in Australia...
It is already tomorrow in SP!! And where I live...
The interesting matchups today are Med ,- kyrgios and to a lesser extent, jabeur kudermetova...good test of how good Kudermetova is.
Alcaraz and Azarenka very impressive in their wins, much easier than I expected..
by jazzyg Do not count out PCB in this half. He has been playing the best tennis of his life and already has reached semis twice.
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nelslus jazzyg wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:06 pm
Do not count out PCB in this half. He has been playing the best tennis of his life and already has reached semis twice.
I haven't, for sure. Why I haven't chosen him as a pick yet.
(Also, he COULD lose to Khachanov, who has a winning record against him).
by meganfernandez Crazy stat - Zhang Shuai was 0-14 in Grand Slams before she got her first win, over Halep at the 2016 Australian Open. And she made the quarters.
Zhang is the oldest player left in the draw at 33, and Coco is the youngest at 18.
Garcia continues to play at a high level.
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:06 pm
Crazy stat - Zhang Shuai was 0-14 in Grand Slams before she got her first win, over Halep at the 2016 Australian Open. And she made the quarters.
Zhang is the oldest player left in the draw at 33, and Coco is the youngest at 18.
Garcia continues to play at a high level.
AND Alison has been an absolute disaster today. Alison had a 3-0 record against Garcia. She hadn't even lost a set until today. Makes sense, though. Alison has been very lucky IMO to have made it this far. Caroline was well into double-digit errors in the first set. But, one horrendous service game from 4-5 in the first set- and that was that. Based on this match alone- one would have no idea how well Caroline is playing. But- obviously, she is on a huge hot streak,
by dryrunguy She struggled to close it out, but what a difference it makes to have a legitimate service motion--especially at critical junctures in big matches on big stages. Well done, Caroline.
And she may very well have more wins in her this week.
by Suliso Garcia served superbly and surely at least doubled Riske's winner count. Did become super nervous at 5-1, 40-15, though.
by ti-amie So I went from excellent match calling and discussion by Jill Craybas and whoever was working with her to Carillo babbling about honey deuces and god knows what else during Gauff vs Zhang Shuai.
by ti-amie The roof is still open on Ashe but comms say it looks as if they're about to start closing it.
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ti-amie
by ti-amie Cori was down 3-5 to Zhang in the second set. Minutes later the two women embraced at the net after Cori took the set 7-5 and won the match.
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Irena2 ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:47 pm
So I went from excellent match calling and discussion by Jill Craybas and whoever was working with her to Carillo babbling about honey deuces and god knows what else during Gauff vs Zhang Shuai.
motobass and I were watching dubs with illuminating, match-pertinent commentary by Katrina Adams and switched over to this match - immediately noticed the difference.
by ponchi101 Last time I was in the USA, I was able to watch some tennis. Two people that were a joy to narrate the match: Adams and Chanda Rubin. They have mastered a simple yet critical nuance: when to remain silent. If nothing is happening, you don't have to say anything. The commentary was also insightful.
Not like my karma here, Clerc, who simply cannot go 5 seconds without opening his mouth. About any inane thing, not even related to tennis.
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ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:13 pm
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:06 pm
Do not count out PCB in this half. He has been playing the best tennis of his life and already has reached semis twice.
I haven't, for sure. Why I haven't chosen him as a pick yet.
(Also, he COULD lose to Khachanov, who has a winning record against him).
Same here. Did not take him, and he has always been very good at BJK.
But also, he could lose tonight.
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nelslus ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:40 pm
LOL, I'm currently watching this match via ESPN+.
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Irena2 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:25 pm
Last time I was in the USA, I was able to watch some tennis. Two people that were a joy to narrate the match: Adams and Chanda Rubin. They have mastered a simple yet critical nuance: when to remain silent. If nothing is happening, you don't have to say anything. The commentary was also insightful.
Not like my karma here, Clerc, who simply cannot go 5 seconds without opening his mouth. About any inane thing, not even related to tennis.
We love Chanda Rubin, one of our favorites! We have been enjoying Bethanie Mattek-Sands during this tournament, too.
by dryrunguy Chanda's great. But did you all read about how she got unfairly dragged the other night during Serena's match for incorrectly identifying Gladys Knight as Dionne Warwick? She was reading the teleprompter for the commentators rather than watching the actual video. She corrected it quickly, but the damage was done.
by ponchi101 Well, isn't that the current M.O? One truly innocent mistake (why would Chanda call one great performer by another's name) and anything you have done before gets erased. You turn instantaneously into mud.
It is so McCarthy (you read Marx in your youth. You are a commie and a danger to the country. End of life).
by ponchi101 Daniil looking very nervous out there. Asking the crowd to go crazy over every single silly shot.
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dryrunguy ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:44 pm
Well, isn't that the current M.O? One truly innocent mistake (why would Chanda call one great performer by another's name) and anything you have done before gets erased. You turn instantaneously into mud.
It is so McCarthy (you read Marx in your youth. You are a commie and a danger to the country. End of life).
I missed it when it happened. Only read about it later. But that's the type of thing that could have easily made our Tennis Journalism thread if someone wasn't paying attention or hadn't read the context.
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meganfernandez dryrunguy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:40 pm
Chanda's great. But did you all read about how she got unfairly dragged the other night during Serena's match for incorrectly identifying Gladys Knight as Dionne Warwick? She was reading the teleprompter for the commentators rather than watching the actual video. She corrected it quickly, but the damage was done.
For goodness sake. Can't people make mistakes anymore? Totally unfair, even is she hadn't been reading from a teleprompter. I can't wait for the age of outrage to end.
I just mistook Jagger Davenport for his mother when they showed him on TV. I really thought it was Lindsay with a short perm. It's remarkable how much they look alike.
Oops! Jagger Leach, not Davenport! Cancel me!
Here's a photo, but the angle I saw had an even stronger resemblance.
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ponchi101 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:55 pm
dryrunguy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:40 pm
Chanda's great. But did you all read about how she got unfairly dragged the other night during Serena's match for incorrectly identifying Gladys Knight as Dionne Warwick? She was reading the teleprompter for the commentators rather than watching the actual video. She corrected it quickly, but the damage was done.
For goodness sake. Can't people make mistakes anymore? Totally unfair, even is she hadn't been reading from a teleprompter.
I can't wait for the age of outrage to end.
I just mistook Jagger Davenport for his mother when they showed him on TV. I really thought it was Lindsay with a short perm. It's remarkable how much they look alike.
The age of outrage only ends when the same people that put others to the stake, taste the flames themselves. By then, a lot of damage has been done.
by ponchi101 Kyrgios' schtick and routine is getting very tiresome. Now she is going at Eva Asteraki. Insane.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:03 am
Kyrgios' schtick and routine is getting very tiresome. Now she is going at Eva Asteraki. Insane.
Getting? He's almost irredeemable to me. He could have a civil conversation about the issue with her, but instead he goes straight to aggression and insults. By the way, he's griping about the serve clock. I don't know if he got a warning or if she just said something, but he thinks the clock shouldn't apply when he's sweating a lot and needs to go to his towel (like every single player).
He's also being a blabbermouth between Medvedev's first and second serves, total baby gamesmanship.
by dryrunguy Meanwhile, Pablo can't hit the broad side of a barn.
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meganfernandez dryrunguy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:14 am
Meanwhile, Pablo can't hit the broad side of a barn.
PCB is out. Surprise for me. But not a shock, I guess.
Kyrgios is already coming undone and it's only the first set, although he did pull it out finally. Pretty likely that he's going to get a point penalty if this match goes long. Early signs of another s---show.
by texasniteowl Behavior aside, sometimes I forget just how insanely talented Kyrgios is.
by ponchi101 I would have said that if Kyrgios had lost the set, I could have seen a tank. But now Medvedev is also complaining about the Kyrgios' side talking too much.
A shame, because the tennis has been better than average.
BTW. I also want to see one tournament director come up one day and back up their chair umpires. Approach them, and tell them "Whatever you do, I will back you up".
by ponchi101 W/UE
Medvedev: 23/9
Kyrgios: 21/11
Insane
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:30 am
I would have said that if Kyrgios had lost the set, I could have seen a tank. But now Medvedev is also complaining about the Kyrgios' side talking too much.
A shame, because the tennis has been better than average.
BTW. I also want to see one tournament director come up one day and back up their chair umpires. Approach them, and tell them "Whatever you do, I will back you up".
I'm guessing this is the message behind the scenes.
I don't think Med is out of line yet. He's setting his boundaries and letting the umpire know. Basically saying I'm not putting up with this s--- tonight.
Wow, Nick almost had a Djokovic Default moment. He smacked a ball at the backdrop and it was a couple feet from going over and hitting a spectator. P-Mac said it it had been a little higher, the match would be over.
by meganfernandez Nick went down pretty hard and stayed down for a while. He's okay... but Medvedev walked over to his side to check on him, and they slapped hands... it was a nice warm moment in this highly charged match.
Then... oh my gosh, Nick lost the next point in the most bizarre way. The ball hadn't bounced, so Nick wasn't allowed to cross the net to hit it. He thought he was. If he had let it bounce (out), he would have won the point. He was good-natured about it, though. He walked over to P-Mac, who was commentating from behind Nick's bench, to ask if it was legal, and P-Mac explained it wasn't.
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Deuce What looked to be a straightforward 1st set victory for Samsonova over Tomljanovic has now turned quite complicated, with Tomljanovic getting it to 4-5, and fighting off 7 set points in this 10th game, which has lasted about 13 minutes thus far, and is still ongoing...
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meganfernandez Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:43 am
What looked to be a straightforward 1st set victory for Samsonova over Tomljanovic has now turned quite complicated, with Tomljanovic getting it to 4-5, and fighting off 7 set points in this 10th game, which has lasted about 13 minutes thus far, and is still ongoing...
Clocked in at 18 minutes and 12 deuces.
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Deuce meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:48 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:43 am
What looked to be a straightforward 1st set victory for Samsonova over Tomljanovic has now turned quite complicated, with Tomljanovic getting it to 4-5, and fighting off 7 set points in this 10th game, which has lasted about 13 minutes thus far, and is still ongoing...
Clocked in at 18 minutes and 12 deuces.
And so the set continues...
6-5 Samsonova now...
by ponchi101 Kyrgios/Medvedev is over.
Nick is just toying with him.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:04 am
Kyrgios/Medvedev is over.
Nick is just toying with him.
So Nadal/Nick final? Blockbuster.
by Deuce Between them, there were 10 set points saved/blown before Tomljanovic finally ‘won’ the tiebreak 10-8.
Neither player wanted to win this set, it seemed.
As the announcers said, the set was more lost than it was won. And that would have been the case no matter who ‘won’ it.
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New England Nitemare meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:08 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:04 am
Kyrgios/Medvedev is over.
Nick is just toying with him.
So Nadal/Nick final? Blockbuster.
Don't count out Alcaraz.
But Nadal vs Kyrgios would be something else, though.
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ponchi101 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:08 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:04 am
Kyrgios/Medvedev is over.
Nick is just toying with him.
So Nadal/Nick final? Blockbuster.
Any of the combinations are blockbusters. Rafa/Nick, or Nick/Carlitos will be huge.
by ponchi101 I said it before. Nick's talent level is off the charts.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:16 am
I said it before. Nick's talent level is off the charts.
yes, of course. Everyone has said this for years. Which has made it so tragic that he wasn't cut out to fulfill his potential. No judgment - many people aren't. He's not going to be a regular top player but he could win this tournament and a Wimbledon in the next couple years. Once he has proven himself, I think he will lose motivation. He doesn't love being a professional tennis player. Maybe that will change, like it did for Agassi.
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nelslus Of course, I've been far too entranced with the Tomljanovic/Samsonova thrill-fest.
(Ally "saved" 8 set points- i.e., Samsonova missed more or less 8 second serve returns). Ally now up 7-6, 4-0 (Samsonova may have something going on with her right knee....)
SO- what happened with that other match? Nick was great (albeit, obviously, also jerky)? Medvedev was terrible? Details, please.
by ponchi101 Nick was patently better. To the point of toying with Daniil.
Talent levels: Obi-wan Kenobi sets up a duel with Luke. At age 5.
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:21 amyes, of course. Everyone has said this for years. Which has made it so tragic that he wasn't cut out to fulfill his potential. No judgment - many people aren't. He's not going to be a regular top player but he could win this tournament and a Wimbledon in the next couple years. Once he has proven himself, I think he will lose motivation. He doesn't love being a professional tennis player. Maybe that will change, like it did for Agassi.
We've all chatted about this before. But, to me, it's clear that Nick also has significant mental health issues. We'll also have to see if he can continue to get good help and take his mental health issues as seriously as possible. Again, having mental health issues doesn't mean you also have to be an a-hole. But, with all this celebrity, all these crowds....
by ponchi101 We spoke about that before. How do we reach a diagnosis that somebody has mental issues, simply by the fact of his behavior on court? He does not lack confidence on court, and his attitude there is "I am way better than you". On considerable occasions, he toys with his opponents.
Why can't we also accept the possibility that he is a bully? I mean, nobody ever said Mac had mental issues, or Rios. They were simply mean-spirited players, on court.
by Deuce McEnroe's psychological issues are pretty well documented, I think... the depression, the drug and alcohol abuse... in addition to his extreme behaviour on-court.
And I think any competent psychologist or sociologist will tell you that pretty much all bullies have 'mental issues'.
Of course, this discussion hinges on what one's definition of 'mental issues' is. Almost all bullies are very insecure. Is deep insecurity a 'mental issue'? To me, it certainly is.
by Deuce Tomljanovic won the 2nd set easily, by the way.
Samsonova just couldn't play at a decent level today, for whatever reason.
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:46 am
We spoke about that before. How do we reach a diagnosis that somebody has mental issues, simply by the fact of his behavior on court? He does not lack confidence on court, and his attitude there is "I am way better than you". On considerable occasions, he toys with his opponents.
Why can't we also accept the possibility that he is a bully? I mean, nobody ever said Mac had mental issues, or Rios. They were simply mean-spirited players, on court.
I mean, HE is now very open now about his mental health issues, drug/alcohol about and self-harm. It's all over the internet. I also would not at all be surprised if there is some history of abuse in there? And, COME on now- this is not just about making a diagnosis from his behaviors on court.
He doesn't lack confidence on court?? Of COURSE he lacks deep self-confidence. Someone who is healthily confident does not act like a bully. He is wildly over-compensating.
Trust me- having been brutally mercilessly bullied for years as a child, I am the last person who will excuse his bullying, and disrespect with others. I'm just suggesting that this is a part of the whole picture, and to hold on to a little compassion. (Also- note that I saw very little of this match, because I can't stand all of what happens during his matches.)
Let me also add that, if it turns out that he is abusive in his relationships with women, for example, re: this court case I've read about- then, he's another Zverev to me.
PS: AND, yes, indeed McEnroe has also been open previously about his mental health issues and alcohol/drug about history. (Rios' story I know very little about.) To repeat: This is never meant to excuse lousy behaviors and actions. It's also apparent that it might be time for everyone to truly take the time to learn more about mental health issues.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-f ... -rcna27676
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:46 am
We spoke about that before. How do we reach a diagnosis that somebody has mental issues, simply by the fact of his behavior on court? He does not lack confidence on court, and his attitude there is "I am way better than you". On considerable occasions, he toys with his opponents.
Why can't we also accept the possibility that he is a bully? I mean, nobody ever said Mac had mental issues, or Rios. They were simply mean-spirited players, on court.
We don't reach a diagnosis. We don't even try go diagnose. We just discuss/wonder/ruminate/debate, hopefully remembering that we are mostly in the dark. On rare occasions, we can discuss/wonder/ruminate/debate with some valuable, informed insight. That applies to about 95% of fan conversations about sports.
People didn't talk openly about mental health when McEnroe and Rios were playing. That's one reason it probably didn't come up. Maybe not the only reason. The devil is in the details.
Personally, I don't love to make a spectator sport of analyzing someone's private matters, but discussing it can be appropriate when it's a big part of performance. In this case, I think it was appropriate even before Nick opened up about his struggle with depression.
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:33 am
Nick was patently better. To the point of toying with Daniil.
Talent levels: Obi-wan Kenobi sets up a duel with Luke. At age 5.
LOL, DAMN!!
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meganfernandez nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:29 am
Of course, I've been far too entranced with the Tomljanovic/Samsonova thrill-fest.
(Ally "saved" 8 set points- i.e., Samsonova missed more or less 8 second serve returns). Ally now up 7-6, 4-0 (Samsonova may have something going on with her right knee....)
SO- what happened with that other match? Nick was great (albeit, obviously, also jerky)? Medvedev was terrible? Details, please.
I saw the first two sets, and Nick wasn't actually all that jerky except for some poutiness and his standard umpire abuse when the match was tight. I don't know if the stuff Ponchi is talking about from the fourth set was disrespectful or not.
by ponchi101 I did not say he was disrespectful. I said Nick was toying with Daniil, in the sense that some shot making was way over Daniil's level.
by nelslus I mean, Nick IMO is too often disrespectful to umpires, his opponents, etc. during matches. It sounded like he was disrespectful to the umpire today, at least? The viewers of this match of course know better than me on that. Anyway- Enough About Nick- at least for today.
by Deuce Jabeur takes the opening set from Kudermetova in a one-sided tiebreak...
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ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:30 am
I mean, Nick IMO is too often disrespectful to umpires, his opponents, etc. during matches. It sounded like he was disrespectful to the umpire today, at least? The viewers of this match of course know better than me on that. Anyway- Enough About Nick- at least for today.
Indeed. We will have three more matches to talk about him
by meganfernandez Aww… Ons said she has been thinking of her late grandmother a lot this week for some reason, and asked for help in this tough match. Said her grandma always supported her a lot. Sweet.
I think both quarters in the bottom half will be close.
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by jazzyg I will double down on my post from a few days ago that Medvedev is not as good as the consensus believes he is.
Ponch is right. Kyrgios could toy with him because he was so much better. Medvedev, in my opinion, is a very good but not a great player and a lot more fragile mentally than he is made out to be. For whatever reason, Djokovic was exhausted mentally by the time he reached the U.S. Open final last year and Medvedev just had to play good defense to beat him. I have a feeling Medvedev's loss to Nadal from a winning position in Australia will have a similar effect on him as Courrier's loss to Bruguera did in the '93 Roland Garros final. People wrote off that loss at the time, particularly when he then reached the Wimbledon final, but he was never a real factor again. Medvedev will be a factor, but I don't see him winning too many more slams in his career.
I had Kyrgios as the winner before the tournament (with no real confidence), and I like his chances better now. He is playing like the best player in the world.