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Cuckoo4Coco Looking over the early draw so I can get an early idea who I want to pick for the Suicide Game.
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ponchi101 Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:14 pm
Looking over the early draw so I can get an early idea who I want to pick for the Suicide Game.
That way lies madness, child!
Next thing you know, you start calling the SP award "My Precious!!!!".
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Cuckoo4Coco ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:25 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:14 pm
Looking over the early draw so I can get an early idea who I want to pick for the Suicide Game.
That way lies madness, child!
Next thing you know, you start calling the SP award "My Precious!!!!".
I am winning one by the end of the slams 2023.
by ashkor87 I am certainly going to enjoy watching SanJose and Toronto and Cinci but, as usual, history shows that winning any of those doesn't mean much for your prospects at the USO.. it takes the class of Serena to win San Jose and the USO in the same year..Andreescu is one of the really few people who have gone on to win the USO after winning Rogers...so no point getting too excited if one of my favs like Rybakina or Andreescu or Raducanu or Leylah wins one of these warm-up events. ..I would hope they don't,. Peaking too early is a real thing ...
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ponchi101 Any match in the WTA is a 50/50 chance. The top players are perhaps 52/48, but winning ANY match at any time in the WTA is no guarantee you will win anything then next day, week or month.
Winning any of the MS1000's simply means you like the surface. I don't agree that it will be a matter of peaking too early, it will be a matter of the parity in the tour.
I say: new winner at the USO. FULLY new winner, ala Rybakina (first time slam champion).
But you know my position, as I know yours
by ashkor87 The fact that Andreescu could do it, is one reason I hold her in high esteem...she maintained her level through the entire year..in fact, I think she was unbeaten on hard courts that year..astonishing!
by ashkor87 If the whole thing is a crap-shoot, what is there to 'talk about' ? Why even have this forum?!
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Cuckoo4Coco ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:59 am
If the whole thing is a crap-shoot, what is there to 'talk about' ? Why even have this forum?!
Isn't that why two competitors take the court and play the matches? Sure when the matches start there is always a favorite and an underdog, but that doesn't always come to be, and many times especially in the WTA it doesn't happen. It actually makes it a lot of fun in my opinion.
One of the most exciting US Opens was the one I watched last year on the Women's side when I got to see what Emma and Leylah did in that draw. If things went status quo, I may have never really known about Emma or Leylah much at all even now.
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Deuce ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:45 am
The fact that Andreescu could do it, is one reason I hold her in high esteem...she maintained her level through the entire year..in fact, I think she was unbeaten on hard courts that year..astonishing!
She was new and unknown to the other players then (in 2019).
Since then, the other players have figured out how to play her, and she has not been able to counter that.
The predictable outcome is that she has not done anywhere near as well since the other players figured out how to play her.
by ashkor87 I watched her matches closely, there was nothing that unusual about her game that would make her tricky..she was just powerful on every wing, served, volleyed, moved well .nothing to attack ..that game remains intact .I fully expect her to win big titles again. We shall see.
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Deuce ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:32 am
I watched her matches closely, there was nothing that unusual about her game that would make her tricky..she was just powerful on every wing, served, volleyed, moved well .nothing to attack ..that game remains intact .I fully expect her to win big titles again. We shall see.
It's not so much that I think she was 'tricky' in 2019... Other players figuring out how to play a particular player has a lot more to do with identifying weaknesses and exploiting them than anything else. And the other players have figured out how to do that with Andreescu. It happens all the time in tennis. Only the great players adjust to the other players learning how to play them, and stay on top. I've seen no evidence that Andreescu is or will be one of those players.
I once again remind everyone that Andreescu had 6 good months 3 years ago. That's all - 6 months. She has been quite unremarkable since then - not terrible, just not really noticeable. She was a 'flavour of the month' who lasted a few weeks longer than most 'flavours of the month'.
A good 6 months does not make an impressive career - just like a bad 6 months does not make a terrible career.
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Cuckoo4Coco Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:10 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:45 am
The fact that Andreescu could do it, is one reason I hold her in high esteem...she maintained her level through the entire year..in fact, I think she was unbeaten on hard courts that year..astonishing!
She was new and unknown to the other players then (in 2019).
Since then, the other players have figured out how to play her, and she has not been able to counter that.
The predictable outcome is that she has not done anywhere near as well since the other players figured out how to play her.
Do you think that will be the case for Emma & Leylah this year? I suppose they both will have the bullseye on their backs with the performances they put up last year and Emma has been struggling and Leylah coming off the foot injury. Could it be early exits for both of them then, you think?
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote:I am certainly going to enjoy watching SanJose and Toronto and Cinci but, as usual, history shows that winning any of those doesn't mean much for your prospects at the USO.. it takes the class of Serena to win San Jose and the USO in the same year..Andreescu is one of the really few people who have gone on to win the USO after winning Rogers...so no point getting too excited if one of my favs like Rybakina or Andreescu or Raducanu or Leylah wins one of these warm-up events. ..I would hope they don't,. Peaking too early is a real thing ...
I don’t look at just the winners for predictive value. I look at who plays well, win or lose.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:59 am
If the whole thing is a crap-shoot, what is there to 'talk about' ? Why even have this forum?!
Because it has not always been like this. A few years ago, at the USO the bet was always "Who will Serena beat in the final?" That was a bit of an unknown, but Serena Vs The Field was a valid question for many years. Prior to that, there was a bit of a gap but before the gap, Steffi Vs The Field was another valid question.
Right now, my position is: the WTA's parity has never been so even and so deep. Iga is ahead by a head, not by shoulders and torso. As we saw at last year's USO, this tournament is wide open. To me, indeed a crap shoot, but hey, I don't mind talking about a crap shoot.
And when we get there and the SP starts, we will need to start picking up possible winners. So, these few tournaments prior to the USO will give us data.
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Cuckoo4Coco ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:41 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:59 am
If the whole thing is a crap-shoot, what is there to 'talk about' ? Why even have this forum?!
Because it has not always been like this. A few years ago, at the USO the bet was always "Who will Serena beat in the final?" That was a bit of an unknown, but Serena Vs The Field was a valid question for many years. Prior to that, there was a bit of a gap but before the gap, Steffi Vs The Field was another valid question.
Right now, my position is: the WTA's parity has never been so even and so deep. Iga is ahead by a head, not by shoulders and torso. As we saw at last year's USO, this tournament is wide open. To me, indeed a crap shoot, but hey, I don't mind talking about a crap shoot.
And when we get there and the SP starts, we will need to start picking up possible winners. So, these few tournaments prior to the USO will give us data.
I actually enjoy crap shoot tournaments and the unknown much more than the same old/same old every tournament. That gets very stale. That is why I enjoy watching the women's tournaments more than the men's because in the men's it mostly ends up with the big 3 and Medvedev or Zverev or someone like that. It gets old after a while.
by ashkor87 My question was obviously rhetorical .I don't believe there is parity today, nor do I believe there ever will be .
by ashkor87 What is this parity anyway? The Australian open was won by Barty, clearly the best player in the world, the French was won by Swiatek..any surprise there ? Even Wimbledon, well, I have been calling Rybakina a potential champion for more than a year now. I simply fail to see what parity and crapshoot people are talking about!
by ponchi101 I see parity here:
The last year with a multiple slam winner was 2016 (Kerber). I don't think Swiatek will win the USO, Barty it is obvious, Ryvbakina is a long shot. So I say that streak continues this year.
Since the USO 2015 we have had 15 new slam winners in the WTA. I won't even bother counting the ATP, as it pales in comparison.
The most successful women in the tour, still active, not named Williams, hold 3 slams each (Kerber and Barty). That was a regular year for the likes of Serena and Graf. For these two excellent players, it is their career.
Surprise winners, out of nowhere: Garbie, Sloane, Emma, Rybakina, Kenin, Krejcikova, Ostapenko, plus a lot of surprise finalists. I don't recall you calling out Rybakina as a future slam champion, but kudos to you. To me, she was a good player that indeed finally delivered.
Mind you. I don't mind this parity; I like it. It makes the WTA exciting, with new faces coming up all the time. We all agree that Jabeur is a great addition, and let's hope she inspires many more girls in Northern Africa. But we have also agreed that this parity has made marketing the WTA, at the vert least, a tricky proposal.
And yes, the Aussie was won by Barty. That she was clearly the best player in the world could be another fun talk (lost to an "unknown" player at the USO, and due to C19, did not go to the WTA Championships).
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Cuckoo4Coco ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:43 pm
I see parity here:
The last year with a multiple slam winner was 2016 (Kerber). I don't think Swiatek will win the USO, Barty it is obvious, Ryvbakina is a long shot. So I say that streak continues this year.
Since the USO 2015 we have had 15 new slam winners in the WTA. I won't even bother counting the ATP, as it pales in comparison.
The most successful women in the tour, still active, not named Williams, hold 3 slams each (Kerber and Barty). That was a regular year for the likes of Serena and Graf. For these two excellent players, it is their career.
Surprise winners, out of nowhere: Garbie, Sloane, Emma, Rybakina, Kenin, Krejcikova, Ostapenko, plus a lot of surprise finalists. I don't recall you calling out Rybakina as a future slam champion, but kudos to you. To me, she was a good player that indeed finally delivered.
Mind you. I don't mind this parity; I like it. It makes the WTA exciting, with new faces coming up all the time. We all agree that Jabeur is a great addition, and let's hope she inspires many more girls in Northern Africa. But we have also agreed that this parity has made marketing the WTA, at the vert least, a tricky proposal.
And yes, the Aussie was won by Barty. That she was clearly the best player in the world could be another fun talk (lost to an "unknown" player at the USO, and due to C19, did not go to the WTA Championships).
The best shot of course for a repeat Slam champion is Iga Swiatek and because Coco Gauff is going to win the USO this year that is not going to happen.
Elena Rybakina, I think will go far in the USO but I don't see her winning the whole thing either.
I love the fact that unknown players make a showing in these slams because then I can really get to know a player that ordinarily I wouldn't even know who they are. Someone like Emma last year, I don't know how long it would have taken me to even know who she was if she wouldn't have gotten through the qualifiers or lost in the 1st round.
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Deuce Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:48 pm
Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:10 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:45 am
The fact that Andreescu could do it, is one reason I hold her in high esteem...she maintained her level through the entire year..in fact, I think she was unbeaten on hard courts that year..astonishing!
She was new and unknown to the other players then (in 2019).
Since then, the other players have figured out how to play her, and she has not been able to counter that.
The predictable outcome is that she has not done anywhere near as well since the other players figured out how to play her.
Do you think that will be the case for Emma & Leylah this year? I suppose they both will have the bullseye on their backs with the performances they put up last year and Emma has been struggling and Leylah coming off the foot injury. Could it be early exits for both of them then, you think?
I think we've already seen that with Emma, as she has done nothing since the U.S. Open. Other players quickly figured her out - and I don't think there was anything exceptional in her play to begin with. So, with other players quickly figuring her out, combined with her numerous 'injuries', retirements, withdrawals - and what I see as a lack of motivation... it is my belief that once her U.S. Open points disappear, we'll have seen the last of her in the top 20. She might not even be a regular presence in the top 40.
Leylah is a different animal - because of her 'mental strength'. Ever since the very first time I saw her play live (she was 15 years old), I've known that her determination, intensity, focus, etc. would be her greatest asset and greatest weapon. And that's much more difficult for other players to figure out or to overcome.
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Cuckoo4Coco Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:38 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:48 pm
Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:10 am
She was new and unknown to the other players then (in 2019).
Since then, the other players have figured out how to play her, and she has not been able to counter that.
The predictable outcome is that she has not done anywhere near as well since the other players figured out how to play her.
Do you think that will be the case for Emma & Leylah this year? I suppose they both will have the bullseye on their backs with the performances they put up last year and Emma has been struggling and Leylah coming off the foot injury. Could it be early exits for both of them then, you think?
I think we've already seen that with Emma, as she has done nothing since the U.S. Open. Other players quickly figured her out - and I don't think there was anything exceptional in her play to begin with. So, with other players quickly figuring her out, combined with her numerous 'injuries', retirements, withdrawals - and what I see as a lack of motivation... it is my belief that once her U.S. Open points disappear, we'll have seen the last of her in the top 20. She might not even be a regular presence in the top 40.
Leylah is a different animal - because of her 'mental strength'. Ever since the very first time I saw her play live (she was 15 years old), I've known that her determination, intensity, focus, etc. would be her greatest asset and greatest weapon. And that's much more difficult for other players to figure out or to overcome.
My coach says those assets that you just mentioned with Leylah are the most important. He said with me that my 'mental strength' is probably the strongest part of my tennis game. He told me for a kid my age and he has been my coach for several years, he has never seen a kid more focused and determined than I am on the court. He also told me that other than the normal driving him crazy, I am really easy to coach.
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atlpam ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:43 pm
I see parity here:
The last year with a multiple slam winner was 2016 (Kerber). I don't think Swiatek will win the USO, Barty it is obvious, Ryvbakina is a long shot. So I say that streak continues this year.
Since the USO 2015 we have had 15 new slam winners in the WTA. I won't even bother counting the ATP, as it pales in comparison.
The most successful women in the tour, still active, not named Williams, hold 3 slams each (Kerber and Barty). That was a regular year for the likes of Serena and Graf. For these two excellent players, it is their career.
Surprise winners, out of nowhere: Garbie, Sloane, Emma, Rybakina, Kenin, Krejcikova, Ostapenko, plus a lot of surprise finalists. I don't recall you calling out Rybakina as a future slam champion, but kudos to you. To me, she was a good player that indeed finally delivered.
Mind you. I don't mind this parity; I like it. It makes the WTA exciting, with new faces coming up all the time. We all agree that Jabeur is a great addition, and let's hope she inspires many more girls in Northern Africa. But we have also agreed that this parity has made marketing the WTA, at the vert least, a tricky proposal.
And yes, the Aussie was won by Barty. That she was clearly the best player in the world could be another fun talk (lost to an "unknown" player at the USO, and due to C19, did not go to the WTA Championships).
Pretty sure Osaka is still considered an “Active” player.
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ponchi101 Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:54 pm
...
My coach says those assets that you just mentioned with Leylah are the most important. He said with me that my 'mental strength' is probably the strongest part of my tennis game. He told me for a kid my age and he has been my coach for several years, he has never seen a kid more focused and determined than I am on the court.
He also told me that other than the normal driving him crazy, I am really easy to coach.
Oh, so we are not the only ones...
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Deuce Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:54 pm
Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:38 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:48 pm
Do you think that will be the case for Emma & Leylah this year? I suppose they both will have the bullseye on their backs with the performances they put up last year and Emma has been struggling and Leylah coming off the foot injury. Could it be early exits for both of them then, you think?
I think we've already seen that with Emma, as she has done nothing since the U.S. Open. Other players quickly figured her out - and I don't think there was anything exceptional in her play to begin with. So, with other players quickly figuring her out, combined with her numerous 'injuries', retirements, withdrawals - and what I see as a lack of motivation... it is my belief that once her U.S. Open points disappear, we'll have seen the last of her in the top 20. She might not even be a regular presence in the top 40.
Leylah is a different animal - because of her 'mental strength'. Ever since the very first time I saw her play live (she was 15 years old), I've known that her determination, intensity, focus, etc. would be her greatest asset and greatest weapon. And that's much more difficult for other players to figure out or to overcome.
My coach says those assets that you just mentioned with Leylah are the most important.
^ Your coach is correct.
Tennis is AT LEAST 95% mental.
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Cuckoo4Coco Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:15 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:54 pm
Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:38 pm
I think we've already seen that with Emma, as she has done nothing since the U.S. Open. Other players quickly figured her out - and I don't think there was anything exceptional in her play to begin with. So, with other players quickly figuring her out, combined with her numerous 'injuries', retirements, withdrawals - and what I see as a lack of motivation... it is my belief that once her U.S. Open points disappear, we'll have seen the last of her in the top 20. She might not even be a regular presence in the top 40.
Leylah is a different animal - because of her 'mental strength'. Ever since the very first time I saw her play live (she was 15 years old), I've known that her determination, intensity, focus, etc. would be her greatest asset and greatest weapon. And that's much more difficult for other players to figure out or to overcome.
My coach says those assets that you just mentioned with Leylah are the most important.
^ Your coach is correct.
Tennis is AT LEAST 95% mental.
It is so true. I know for fact that I have beaten players that physically were better than me that day on the court, but mentally I held it together and pulled the match out.
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ponchi101 No it isn't. If it were so dependent on the mental side, how come players decline with age? They grow stupider? Mentally weaker? That would be odd.
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Cuckoo4Coco ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:46 pm
No it isn't. If it were so dependent on the mental side, how come players decline with age? They grow stupider? Mentally weaker? That would be odd.
Obviously as we age we physically tire. The really strong players through that age such as Serena, Rafa, Novak, Roger are also very strong mentally so yes it is very important. In Tennis or in any sport I don't think you can be one dimensional in anything, but having a strong mental strength definitely helps everything else within your overall game.
by Deuce That argument about players deteriorating as they age makes little sense to me in the context of mental strength. Quite obviously, people have different levels of physical ability. A 20 year old is stronger physically than a 2 year old...
Saying that the game is 95% mental is not saying that there is no physical component, or that the physical element is irrelevant, obviously. It's saying that when physical abilities are very closely matched - as they are at the pro level - the difference and distinction between the players is 95% mental.
The players themselves have said (over various generations) that the main difference between the majority of players in the top 100 is the psychological element - how each player deals with pressure, stress, bad calls, the sun, the wind, the crowd, the media, etc... that is all strictly psychological.
There are a few exceptions here and there - players who possess a rare level of magical physical talent for the game which rises above that of others (Federer, Kyrgios, Arazi, etc.) but these are very few. For all of Kyrgios' natural tennis ability (many would say that he's the most physically talented player on the tour right now, with which I agree) - why is he not #1 in the world? Why has he never come close to being #1 in the world? The very obvious answer is because he is so incredibly weak psychologically.
How many times have we seen Nadal and Djokovic win a match in which they were significantly behind and being outplayed? Many times. That's strictly due to their superior mental strength, and not because their physical abilities suddenly vanished and reappeared.
The physical ability to hit shots in certain situations and circumstances is very directly related to one's mental strength. If you're nervous, your physical ability will be directly affected in a negative way most of the time. The psychological and physical are intrinsically linked... it's very easy to walk - or even dance - on a 2x4 piece of wood when it's on the ground. But put that very same 2x4 30 feet in the air - with no net underneath, and it suddenly becomes much, much more difficult to walk on it. The physical ability has not changed, obviously - but the psychological element has very much changed (because the consequences have changed).
Lots of tennis commentators - including former players - often say that the game is mostly mental at the pro level.
It has also been my experience over the 40 years I've played and watched tennis that tennis is at least 95% psychological. I've seen lots of evidence of this, and I've experienced it personally many times. I have played in matches where everyone watching agreed that I was the more physically talented player - but which I've lost because I was beaten psychologically (if you want to beat me, give me lots of slow pace balls hit high over the net - I haven't the patience to stand there all day rallying back & forth - I have little patience on the court - I go for winners because I don't like winning through attrition or through my opponent's errors).
So, yes, I am absolutely convinced that tennis is definitely at least 95% mental, or psychological.
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Cuckoo4Coco Deuce wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:28 pm
That argument about players deteriorating as they age makes little sense to me in the context of mental strength. Quite obviously, people have different levels of physical ability. A 20 year old is stronger physically than a 2 year old...
Saying that the game is 95% mental is not saying that there is no physical component, or that the physical element is irrelevant, obviously. It's saying that when physical abilities are very closely matched - as they are at the pro level - the difference and distinction between the players is 95% mental.
The players themselves have said (over various generations) that the main difference between the majority of players in the top 100 is the psychological element - how each player deals with pressure, stress, bad calls, the sun, the wind, the crowd, the media, etc... that is all strictly psychological.
There are a few exceptions here and there - players who possess a rare level of magical physical talent for the game which rises above that of others (Federer, Kyrgios, Arazi, etc.) but these are very few. For all of Kyrgios' natural tennis ability (many would say that he's the most physically talented player on the tour right now, with which I agree) - why is he not #1 in the world? Why has he never come close to being #1 in the world? The very obvious answer is because he is so incredibly weak psychologically.
Lots of tennis commentators - including former players - often say that the game is mostly mental at the pro level.
It has also been my experience over the 40 years I've played and watched tennis that tennis is at least 95% psychological. I've seen lots of evidence of this, and I've experienced it personally many times. I have played in matches where everyone watching agreed that I was the more physically talented player - but which I've lost because I was beaten psychologically (if you want to beat me, give me lots of slow pace balls hit high over the net - I haven't the patience to stand there all day rallying back & forth - I have little patience on the court - I go for winners because I don't like winning through attrition or through my opponent's errors).
So, yes, I am absolutely convinced that tennis is definitely at least 95% mental, or psychological.
I just recently read stuff about Monica Seles and watched a documentary/interview with her. She was very dominant on the tour for quite some time and physically for a period could not be stopped by practically anyone on the tour. Until the day came where she was attacked on court by a crazed fan. This changed her entire mental and psychological outlook as well as having to overcome the physical part of what happened to her. She went through an eating binge disorder and she never really got back to where she was before the attack. Sure she was older as she was trying to return, but it was the struggles with her mental and psychological part that really made it difficult for her to get back to where she once was.
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Deuce Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:36 pm
I just recently read stuff about Monica Seles and watched a documentary/interview with her. She was very dominant on the tour for quite some time and physically for a period could not be stopped by practically anyone on the tour. Until the day came where she was attacked on court by a crazed fan. This changed her entire mental and psychological outlook as well as having to overcome the physical part of what happened to her. She went through an eating binge disorder and she never really got back to where she was before the attack. Sure she was older as she was trying to return, but it was the struggles with her mental and psychological part that really made it difficult for her to get back to where she once was.
^ Yes - that's another good example of what I'm saying. Seles was not the same player after the stabbing as she had been before. The stabbing occurred on a tennis court, of course. Her physical ability to hit a tennis ball did not suddenly disappear or suddenly deteriorate when she was stabbed - but the psychological effect of the attack had a very direct effect on her physical ability.
It's all very directly connected.
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ponchi101 Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:25 pm
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Obviously as we age we physically tire. The really strong players through that age such as Serena, Rafa, Novak, Roger are also very strong mentally so yes it is very important. In Tennis or in any sport I don't think you can be one dimensional in anything, but having a strong mental strength definitely helps everything else within your overall game.
"HELPS" is not the same as "IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING".
As I say in my piece: if the mental aspect is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, explain to me why David Ferrer was never able to beat Federer. It is not as if David had a reputation as a mental weakling.
And: we recently had an example of a player that has been considered, by many people, as extremely mentally fragile, yet he made the Wimbledon finals. And took one set. So, it does not seem like the evidence is there.
But, again, as I say in my piece, the athletes want to believe that, on top of being physically extremely superior to us mortals, they are also mentally better. They don't want to believe they got lucky in the lottery of DNA.
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Cuckoo4Coco ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:17 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:25 pm
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Obviously as we age we physically tire. The really strong players through that age such as Serena, Rafa, Novak, Roger are also very strong mentally so yes it is very important. In Tennis or in any sport I don't think you can be one dimensional in anything, but having a strong mental strength definitely helps everything else within your overall game.
"HELPS" is not the same as "IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING".
As I say in my piece: if the mental aspect is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, explain to me why David Ferrer was never able to beat Federer. It is not as if David had a reputation as a mental weakling.
And: we recently had an example of a player that has been considered, by many people, as extremely mentally fragile, yet he made the Wimbledon finals. And took one set. So, it does not seem like the evidence is there.
But, again, as I say in my piece, the athletes want to believe that, on top of being physically extremely superior to us mortals, they are also mentally better. They don't want to believe they got lucky in the lottery of DNA.
Was Roger Federer stronger mentally as well as physically than Ferrer? I don't know, maybe he was.
I think though that the mental game is the most important because it helps all the other aspects of the game. The physical part of the game helps with your ground strokes, stamina and your ability but doesn't really touch the mental part. So in my opinion the mental part of the game is the most important part. The mental part can easily help your ground strokes, stamina and your ability to improve in a match when you are down. That is why I feel it is more important.
by Deuce Because Federer obviously is mentally strong, which is one of the requirements of staying at the top for so long. At least as mentally strong as Ferrer. And, as I stated, Federer is one of the few who are exceptionally physically gifted. So he'll beat Ferrer more than Ferrer will beat him.
As for Kyrgios - he obviously found a level of psychological discipline at Wimbledon that was lacking throughout his career until then. He's had other good results, too. Because mental strength is not an absolute with everyone. With the more psychologically fragile, it can come and go.
Based on what I've seen of his psychological condition over the past 7 years or so, I don't expect Kyrgios to maintain a high degree of mental strength for very long. It will always come and go with him. But the direct physical ability does not come and go - it only does so when it is linked with the psychological element.
Anyway - I've explained it all as best I can. It's up to each individual to decide for him/herself how important the psychological element is.
by ashkor87 SInner is really hitting his stride now..beating Alcaraz on clay! If the court at the USO is anywhere near as fast as last year, I would make him one of the favorites, along with Medvedev and ahead of Kyrgios...certainly ahead of Alcaraz as of now..
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:44 am
SInner is really hitting his stride now..beating Alcaraz on clay! If the court at the USO is anywhere near as fast as last year, I would make him one of the favorites, along with Medvedev and ahead of Kyrgios...certainly ahead of Alcaraz as of now..
He has made it clear that he prefers fast courts, so at the moment, and based solely on this victory, I will move him ahead of Carlitos.
But he will be a factor. I said this before: if he has the proper frame of mind after losing that two sets lead to Djokovic (satisfied with the effort, unhappy about the end result) he could go very far.
As I don't see Medvedev repeating, we may have a new champ.
by Cuckoo4Coco I am hoping Taylor Fritz can pull off something special at the US Open this year, but Sinner will definitely be someone to watch.
by ponchi101 Right now:
At the top, Medvedev because he is the defending champion and he likes the courts. And Rafa because he is Rafa.
And an entire cast of new guys right below, able to win it. Let's remember that the USO is the slam where knew champions have been crowned in the last two years.
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Cuckoo4Coco ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:43 pm
Right now:
At the top, Medvedev because he is the defending champion and he likes the courts. And Rafa because he is Rafa.
And an entire cast of new guys right below, able to win it. Let's remember that the USO is the slam where knew champions have been crowned in the last two years.
Would you dare to say OTHER?
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ponchi101 Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:46 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:43 pm
Right now:
At the top, Medvedev because he is the defending champion and he likes the courts. And Rafa because he is Rafa.
And an entire cast of new guys right below, able to win it. Let's remember that the USO is the slam where knew champions have been crowned in the last two years.
Would you dare to say OTHER?
Not in the men's. The winner will come out of a small group. There are only 6, 7 guys that could win it.
For example, Tsitsipas is not being talked about, as is correct. But a couple of good showings at Cincy/Canada and he could get in the conversation. I am, right now, saying Carlitos will do well, but is nowhere near a real chance of winning it.
The week before, after the two MS1000's, we will have better data. I will include OTHER as the #10 pick in the poll, but I will not be surprised if nobody takes him.
In the women's, I expect at least 30% of us picking OTHER.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:43 pm
Right now:
At the top, Medvedev because he is the defending champion and he likes the courts. And Rafa because he is Rafa.
And an entire cast of new guys right below, able to win it. Let's remember that the USO is the slam where knew champions have been crowned in the last two years.
Yeah, but those 2 new champs had been to Slam finals before. They had proven themselves. The other contenders this year have mustered like one Slam semi between them (without googling to be sure). I'm taking Rafa unless he looks to be very hurt in the tune-ups.
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Cuckoo4Coco ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:55 pm
Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:46 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:43 pm
Right now:
At the top, Medvedev because he is the defending champion and he likes the courts. And Rafa because he is Rafa.
And an entire cast of new guys right below, able to win it. Let's remember that the USO is the slam where knew champions have been crowned in the last two years.
Would you dare to say OTHER?
Not in the men's. The winner will come out of a small group. There are only 6, 7 guys that could win it.
For example, Tsitsipas is not being talked about, as is correct. But a couple of good showings at Cincy/Canada and he could get in the conversation. I am, right now, saying Carlitos will do well, but is nowhere near a real chance of winning it.
The week before, after the two MS1000's, we will have better data. I will include OTHER as the #10 pick in the poll, but I will not be surprised if nobody takes him.
In the women's, I expect at least 30% of us picking OTHER.
If Taylor Fritz is in the mix of the OTHERS, I am going with the OTHERS.
by ashkor87 Too early ..don't know how the court will play..more like SJ or more like DC? Last year was faster even than SJ..I will not venture a prediction till I see the first day with my own eyes, since news channels don't seem capable of knowing the difference...
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:16 pm
ashkor87 wrote:I am certainly going to enjoy watching SanJose and Toronto and Cinci but, as usual, history shows that winning any of those doesn't mean much for your prospects at the USO.. it takes the class of Serena to win San Jose and the USO in the same year..Andreescu is one of the really few people who have gone on to win the USO after winning Rogers...so no point getting too excited if one of my favs like Rybakina or Andreescu or Raducanu or Leylah wins one of these warm-up events. ..I would hope they don't,. Peaking too early is a real thing ...
I don’t look at just the winners for predictive value. I look at who plays well, win or lose.
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Yes, me too..my first line above.. I agree doing well is even more important than winning in these warm-up events
by ashkor87 Yes, it would make sense to have the farewell ceremony on the opening Sunday rather than wait for her to lose....
by ponchi101 Opening Sunday? The USO now starts on Sunday? Like the French?
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Canucklehead ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:07 am
Opening Sunday? The USO now starts on Sunday? Like the French?
Oui Oui
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:07 am
Opening Sunday? The USO now starts on Sunday? Like the French?
hmm.. i was so assuming.. maybe not
by ponchi101 I understand the marketing.
But Roddick and Blake are not legends. Very good players, but we are stretching the adjectives.
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ti-amie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:19 pm
I understand the marketing.
But Roddick and Blake are not legends. Very good players, but we are stretching the adjectives.
Agree
by Deuce Leylah was supposed to play a 4 person exhibition earlier this summer which was also marketed as 'Legends'. The only one qualifying as a 'legend' at that event was Clijsters.
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jazzyg ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:19 pm
I understand the marketing.
But Roddick and Blake are not legends. Very good players, but we are stretching the adjectives.
I grant you that Blake, one of my two or three all-time favorite players, is nowhere near a legend. He never even made a semi of a slam.
But Roddick is the only U.S. man to win a slam this century, lost in the final of four others, won 32 titles including five Masters and was year-end No. 1 in 2003. If he does not qualify as a legend (bottom end of the list), who does this century other than the Big 4 and Hewitt? Wawrinka won three slams but he has won half as many titles and only one Masters. Del Potro won one slam, 22 titles and one Masters. Safin won two slams, five Masters and 15 titles.
In other words, I have no issue with Roddick being called a legend.
by meganfernandez This changes everything
by ponchi101 Now, he will play. Will be fresh, will win.
by Fastbackss And here I was looking forward to the US Open...now we'll instead be subjected to oodles of hot takes on what does/doesn't happen and how it's related to his egoism.
by jazzyg A reminder: Nadal had won the U.S. Open more times than Djokovic.
by ponchi101 His second, most successful slam.
But by now Novak would not be able to play in Cincy. And I say he would come with too little training.
Of course, I am just grasping for straws.
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JTContinental ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:19 pm
I understand the marketing.
But Roddick and Blake are not legends. Very good players, but we are stretching the adjectives.
Roddick is a legend—he was #1, won a slam and a Davis Cup. Plus he possessed a memorable personality.
Blake is only a legend in his mind…
Incidentally, Wimbledon had Karolina Sprem competing in their legends doubles tournament.
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meganfernandez JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:04 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:19 pm
I understand the marketing.
But Roddick and Blake are not legends. Very good players, but we are stretching the adjectives.
Roddick is a legend—he was #1, won a slam and a Davis Cup. Plus he possessed a memorable personality.
Blake is only a legend in his mind…
Incidentally, Wimbledon had Karolina Sprem competing in their legends doubles tournament.
"Legend" is a loose term for marketing campaigns. Blake might be a legend in the context of the US Open. He had that great match with Agassi in 2005, is from there, well-liked there. He won 10 titles and got to No. 4. Not bad.
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meganfernandez jazzyg wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:33 pm
A reminder: Nadal had won the U.S. Open more times than Djokovic.
4 to 3, right? One of the more surprising statistics in the Big 3 catalog.
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ponchi101 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:14 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:04 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:19 pm
I understand the marketing.
But Roddick and Blake are not legends. Very good players, but we are stretching the adjectives.
Roddick is a legend—he was #1, won a slam and a Davis Cup. Plus he possessed a memorable personality.
Blake is only a legend in his mind…
Incidentally, Wimbledon had Karolina Sprem competing in their legends doubles tournament.
"Legend" is a loose term for marketing campaigns. Blake might be a legend in the context of the US Open. He had that great match with Agassi in 2005, is from there, well-liked there. He won 10 titles and got to No. 4. Not bad.
I understand the marketing, but it is this morphing of the language that I find so weird. If Blake is a legend, so is Nalbandian. Delpo is then what? If you use legend for Blake, and Roddick, what do you use for Roger, Rafa, Novak or Serena? Super-legend? Über-Legend? Super-duper-über legendary legend?
Don't bother, I just have to go out and find a cloud to yell at. You know me
by ti-amie I think the term Legend is misused as well (Karolina Sprem?) but what other word would they use to describe former players? I get your point but I don't think they can market this any other way.
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jazzyg JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:04 pm
Blake is only a legend in his mind…
Blake is a very humble guy who always doubted he belonged at the top of the game even when he was ranked in the top five briefly. That's a strange take.
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JTContinental jazzyg wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:40 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:04 pm
Blake is only a legend in his mind…
Blake is a very humble guy who always doubted he belonged at the top of the game even when he was ranked in the top five briefly. That's a strange take.
Of course. This was very obviously a joke and not a "take"
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ponchi101 ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 pm
I think the term Legend is misused as well (Karolina Sprem?) but what other word would they use to describe former players? I get your point but I don't think they can market this any other way.
Blake reached #1 in the USA. "Former US #1" sounds totally true, it is a very, very high achievement, and keeps the perspective. Roddick can completely say "Slam Champion, World #1" with a straight face. Both can claim DC CUP Winners (go for the jugular and say "Real DC Cup Winners").
Heck, Blake can be marketed as "Really, really great guy James Blake" and we will all agree.
"Tennis Legend James Blake" has us talking about it. At least, has me talking about it, because I am me (Whiny LB HOF Inductee Ponchi101...)
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Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 pm
I think the term Legend is misused as well (Karolina Sprem?) but what other word would they use to describe former players?
How about 'former players'...
Or 'Seniors'...
Or 'former top 10 players'...
Or 'former top 20 players'...
Or...
The fact is that only people who've followed tennis for a number of years - in other words, real tennis fans - will be drawn to watch these old players play in an exhibition. And those tennis fans won't be fooled by the term 'legend' - they already know who are the 'legends', and who are not the 'legends'.
Therefore, I don't really understand the marketing using the term 'legends' for all former players.
by JTContinental Monfils is out with a foot injury
by JTContinental Partial list of wildcards announced
Venus Williams
Sofia Kenin
Harmony Tan
Dominic Thiem
Sam Querrey
Ben Shelton
by ti-amie MAIN DRAW Schedule
SESSION DAY DATE SESSION TIME (ET) MATCH SCHEDULE (Singles)
1 M 8/29 11:00 AM Men's & Women's 1st Round
2 M 8/29 7:00 PM Men's & Women's 1st Round
3 TU 8/30 11:00 AM Men's & Women's 1st Round
4 TU 8/30 7:00 PM Men's & Women's 1st Round
5 W 8/31 11:00 AM Men's & Women's 2nd Round
6 W 8/31 7:00 PM Men's & Women's 2nd Round
7 TH 9/1 11:00 AM Men's & Women's 2nd Round
8 TH 9/1 7:00 PM Men's & Women's 2nd Round
9 FR 9/2 11:00 AM Men's & Women's 3rd Round
10 FR 9/2 7:00 PM Men's & Women's 3rd Round
11 SA 9/3 11:00 AM Men's & Women's 3rd Round
12 SA 9/3 7:00 PM Men's & Women's 3rd Round
13 SU 9/4 11:00 AM Men's & Women's Round of 16
14 SU 9/4 7:00 PM Men's & Women's Round of 16
15 M 9/5 11:00 AM Men's & Women's Round of 16
16 M 9/5 7:00 PM Men's & Women's Round of 16
17 TU 9/6 12:00 PM Men's & Women's Quarterfinals
18 TU 9/6 7:00 PM Men's & Women's Quarterfinals
19 W 9/7 12:00 PM Men's & Women's Quarterfinals
20 W 9/7 7:00 PM Men's & Women's Quarterfinals
21 TH 9/8 7:00 PM Women's Semifinals
22 FR 9/9 3:00 PM Men's Semifinals
23 FR 9/9 7:00 PM Men's Semifinals
24 SA 9/10 4:00 PM Women's Final
25 SU 9/11 4:00 PM Men's Final
Full schedule still to be released and subject to change. All matches in Arthur Ashe Stadium begin at 12:00 PM.
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Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:02 pm
My friend Rinky!
I think this is due to an 'agreement' that the USTA must have with Tennis Australia - because I really see no justification for it on merit alone.
Happy to see him there, though.
by AcesAnnie There are several of these wildcards that I have never heard of like Emilio Nava, Learner Tien, Rinky Hijikata and before this tournament in Cincinnati, I never heard of Ben Shelton. On the women's side, I never heard of Jamie Forulis, Eleana Yu, Peyton Streams,and before a few tournaments ago Elizabeth Mandlik.
by ashkor87 if the game is naming people who will NOT win the USO, here is my list:
Badosa, Sakkari, Kontaveit, Jabeur, Keys, Stephens, Anisimova, Gauff, Halep, Sabalenka, Pegula, Muguruza, Kasatkina,Bencic, Haddad Maia, Pliskova, Collins, Krejcikova, Kudermetova.. we are down to #20 on the ranking list now! Much easier to play this game, isnt it?
by ashkor87 Probabilities as of now..
Men- assuming no Djokovic
Medvedev 45%
Kyrgios 15%
Nadal 15%
Sinner 15%
Hurkacz 5%
Field 5%
Women:
Swiatek 30%
Rybakina 20%
Osaka 15%
Leylah 10%
Andreescu 10%
Raducanu 10%
Field 5%
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ponchi101 This year, it will be Camila Osorio playing Camila Giorgi in the final.
Of your list. I would not count out Pegula. I would give Bencic a remote chance (she made QF's last year), as well as Kasatkina. REMOTE.
HaddadMaia has improved.
Your list:
Medvedev 40%
Rafa 20%
Sinner 20%
Kyrgios 10%
Field 10%
Swiatek 25%
Rybakina 5%
Osaka 2%
Leylah 1%
Raducanu 1%
OTHER: 66%
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:14 pm
This year, it will be Camila Osorio playing Camila Giorgi in the final.
Of your list. I would not count out Pegula. I would give Bencic a remote chance (she made QF's last year), as well as Kasatkina. REMOTE.
HaddadMaia has improved.
Your list:
Medvedev 40%
Rafa 20%
Sinner 20%
Kyrgios 10%
Field 10%
Swiatek 20%
Rybakina 5%
Osaka 2%
Leylah 1%
Raducanu 1%
OTHER: 66%
Rybakina, 20%
Switek, 15%
Sabalenka, 10% - people are forgetting about her
Jabeur, 10%
Sabalenka, 5%
Raducanu, 5%
Osaka, 5%
Leylay, 5% - a little rusty, but if she feels good, the crowd can fire her up.
Serena, .01%. NYC Night Magic Factor.
FIELD: 24.99% (top contenders: Gauff, BHM, Pegula, Kastakina, Pliskova, Rogers)
Medvedev, 40%
Rafa, 30%
Tsitsipas, 10%
Alcaraz, 10%
FIELD: 10%
by AcesAnnie Nick Kyrgios better change his mindset, and I think he will once he steps foot on the courts at the USO. Right now he is just floating along at like a 20% pace, and if that is what his plans are for the USO he will be out very quickly.
No way Naomi Osaka, Leylah Fernandez or even Emma Raducanu stand that high of a chance of winning the USO.
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meganfernandez AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:38 pm
Nick Kyrgios better change his mindset, and I think he will once he steps foot on the courts at the USO. Right now he is just floating along at like a 20% pace, and if that is what his plans are for the USO he will be out very quickly.
No way Naomi Osaka, Leylah Fernandez or even Emma Raducanu stand that high of a chance of winning the USO.
He thinks he can turn on the focus like a switch, and maybe he can. But maybe not on hard court, where the conditions are more of an equalizer than grass. Best of 5, lots of competition... he takes it for granted that he'll be able to step up when he cares.
5% is barely any chance! Someone has to win this thing!
Two-time champ, defending champ looking strong, defending finalist who loves the crowd there. I think 5% is conservative. I wouldn't underestimate Osaka. If she finds a groove, she's very tough to beat there.
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AcesAnnie meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:05 pm
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:38 pm
Nick Kyrgios better change his mindset, and I think he will once he steps foot on the courts at the USO. Right now he is just floating along at like a 20% pace, and if that is what his plans are for the USO he will be out very quickly.
No way Naomi Osaka, Leylah Fernandez or even Emma Raducanu stand that high of a chance of winning the USO.
He thinks he can turn on the focus like a switch, and maybe he can. But maybe not on hard court, where the conditions are more of an equalizer than grass. Best of 5, lots of competition... he takes it for granted that he'll be able to step up when he cares.
5% is barely any chance! Someone has to win this thing!
Two-time champ, defending champ looking strong, defending finalist who loves the crowd there. I think 5% is conservative. I wouldn't underestimate Osaka. If she finds a groove, she's very tough to beat there.
He is good, but he isn't that good to just sluff off and go at matches at less than 100%. These are all professionals he is playing. He needs to bring his A game all the time.
Osaka has the talent, but so do many others, and I just think she will come up against one of those players that will take her down.
by JazzNU For anyone unaware -
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So if you only subscribe to ESPN Plus for one month and then cancel after each of the Grand Slams, I highly suggest subscribing in the next 4 days, with August 22nd (Monday) being the last day to lock in the lower monthly price this time around, and it will carry you thru the end of the 2022 US Open.
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:45 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:14 pm
This year, it will be Camila Osorio playing Camila Giorgi in the final.
Of your list. I would not count out Pegula. I would give Bencic a remote chance (she made QF's last year), as well as Kasatkina. REMOTE.
HaddadMaia has improved.
Your list:
Medvedev 40%
Rafa 20%
Sinner 20%
Kyrgios 10%
Field 10%
Swiatek 20%
Rybakina 5%
Osaka 2%
Leylah 1%
Raducanu 1%
OTHER: 66%
Rybakina, 20%
Switek, 15%
Sabalenka, 10% - people are forgetting about her
Jabeur, 10%
Sabalenka, 5%
Raducanu, 5%
Osaka, 5%
Leylay, 5% - a little rusty, but if she feels good, the crowd can fire her up.
Serena, .01%. NYC Night Magic Factor.
FIELD: 24.99% (top contenders: Gauff, BHM, Pegula, Kastakina, Pliskova, Rogers)
Medvedev, 40%
Rafa, 30%
Tsitsipas, 10%
Alcaraz, 10%
FIELD: 10%
Agree with you on the men...
by ashkor87 Except replace Alcaraz with Kyrgios
by ashkor87 Re ,'surprise winner,' Flavia Penetta, people forget she had won iW the previous year..she had some hard court creds! Raducanu, similarly, had done well at Wimbledon already, didn't come out of nowhere..I think there are always signs, we tend to overlook them.
by ashkor87 Garcia could be a contender,i suppose,for the USO - she was always considered a future #1..but her Wimbledon performance was less than great..so I would not pick her..plus, she seems to do better on slower surfaces..
by ponchi101 You have to include her now; she won Cincy.
I am just so iffy about her consistency.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:02 pm
You have to include her now; she won Cincy.
I am just so iffy about her consistency.
I'm iffy about her consistency, too. But that's nearly ever top player/contender. So she's right there in the mix, IMO. But I'm still going with a previous Slam winner.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:16 pm
Garcia could be a contender,i suppose,for the USO - she was always considered a future #1..but her Wimbledon performance was less than great..so I would not pick her..plus, she seems to do better on slower surfaces..
To me, R4 at Wimbledon is decent. She won a grass title the week before. She has won titles on three surfaces this summer! Impressive. I think court speed is a factor but not the ultimate factor.
by AcesAnnie Right now, I have to say I am leaning towards Garcia winning the USO. On the men's side, I am leaning towards Hurkacz. That may change by the time the tournament starts, but at this moment those are my front runners.
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meganfernandez AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:53 pm
that I felt was moderated in a fair and consistent manner, that adequately promoted the need for mutual respect, and that nurtured a sense of "community". With a small group of like-minded tennis fa
I can't go that far with either of them. I think Garcia can get herself to the quarters, semis, and then we'll see. Hurkacz has disappointed me too often.
He looked great in R1 last year then mysteriously lackluster in R2, losing to Seppi. He's not in my top 5. He seems so nice, so I wish he would have a great run. We'll see.
by ashkor87 Anyone (other than one Serena) who wins Cinci is almost disqualified as a USO champion, in my book. Her wins on 3 different surfaces in 3 months is impressive, though...but losing to Bouzkova is not the mark of a champion...so I would not pick her, as of now - unless the court turns out to be slow..which I will know only after I see the actual matches .the media will not tell us, since they are more interested in other things..
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JazzNU JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:58 pm
For anyone unaware -
ESPN Plus will be increasing their monthly fee from $6.99 to $9.99 on August 23 (Tuesday). There is no professional tennis in September that I am aware of after the US Open on ESPN or ESPN Plus. The Laver Cup is the only big event that comes to mind towards the end of the month as being a possibility and I believe that will be on Tennis Channel again.
So if you only subscribe to ESPN Plus for one month and then cancel after each of the Grand Slams, I highly suggest subscribing in the next 4 days, with August 22nd (Monday) being the last day to lock in the lower monthly price this time around, and it will carry you thru the end of the 2022 US Open.
Today is the final day before the price increase FYI
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:02 pm
Anyone (other than one Serena) who wins Cinci is almost disqualified as a USO champion, in my book. Her wins on 3 different surfaces in 3 months is impressive, though...but losing to Bouzkova is not the mark of a champion...so I would not pick her, as of now - unless the court turns out to be slow..which I will know only after I see the actual matches .the media will not tell us, since they are more interested in other things..
Generally, there isn't much overlap in the WTA quarterfinalists from Cincy and US Open. It's a weird trend. The different atmospheres and maybe court speed could be contributing factors. In 2020, Vika and Osaka were winner and RU in both Cincy and the US Open and that was the year Cincy was held in NYC. Last year, Barty won Cincy and really should have gone farther in NY, losing a third-set TB to Rogers (with Raducanu next). But yeah, Cincy isn't very predictive of NYC on the women's side lately. Doesn't mean it won't be this year.
I wonder how much players get the itch to get to NYC when they're in Cincy. They're young, they have friends to see, other people are heading there early... If they aren't feeling their games in Cincy, I wonder if they peace out and head east.
But then, some people aren't in a rush to get there. It looks like Muguruza stayed the whole week. Rafa did. They had houses. Maybe they were just fine with the peace and quiet.
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by AcesAnnie I just cannot see how Kontaveit is still #2 in the world.
by ponchi101 A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
US Open Slam semi, WTA semi, Indian Wells final, Qatar semi (it's a 1000), plus two more finals, two more semis, and two quarterfinals. She's just gone a little cold since IW, making only semi since then. Her losses haven't been terrible: BHM, Garcia, Jabeur, Muchova in two tiebreaks, Maria at Wimbledon (looks better once she made the semi). She beat Gauff in Rome and Kasatkina 0 and 3 on grass. I have totally ignored her this year, though.
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Deuce meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:50 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
US Open Slam semi, WTA semi, Indian Wells final, Qatar semi (it's a 1000), plus two more finals, two more semis, and two quarterfinals. She's just gone a little cold since IW, making only semi since then. Her losses haven't been terrible: BHM, Garcia, Jabeur, Muchova in two tiebreaks, Maria at Wimbledon (looks better once she made the semi). She beat Gauff in Rome and Kasatkina 0 and 3 on grass. I have totally ignored her this year, though.
And, again - she had COVID-19 in April, and the effects of that have been lingering.
That's not to say that she would have continued her dominance had she not contracted COVID - very likely not... but her results would likely have been better from April until now had she not contracted COVID.
by ponchi101 Ok, thanks for the reminder. Sakkari, at the moment, seems a worthy #3.
by AcesAnnie Sakkari seems like a player who comes out and plays a really strong match, and then the next day comes out and falls flat on her face.
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Deuce Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:03 am
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:50 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
US Open Slam semi, WTA semi, Indian Wells final, Qatar semi (it's a 1000), plus two more finals, two more semis, and two quarterfinals. She's just gone a little cold since IW, making only semi since then. Her losses haven't been terrible: BHM, Garcia, Jabeur, Muchova in two tiebreaks, Maria at Wimbledon (looks better once she made the semi). She beat Gauff in Rome and Kasatkina 0 and 3 on grass. I have totally ignored her this year, though.
And, again - she had COVID-19 in April, and the effects of that have been lingering.
That's not to say that she would have continued her dominance had she not contracted COVID - very likely not... but her results would likely have been better from April until now had she not contracted COVID.
^ Just to clarify, I'm referring to Kontaveit above who had COVID, not Sakkari.
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:10 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:02 pm
Anyone (other than one Serena) who wins Cinci is almost disqualified as a USO champion, in my book. Her wins on 3 different surfaces in 3 months is impressive, though...but losing to Bouzkova is not the mark of a champion...so I would not pick her, as of now - unless the court turns out to be slow..which I will know only after I see the actual matches .the media will not tell us, since they are more interested in other things..
Generally, there isn't much overlap in the WTA quarterfinalists from Cincy and US Open. It's a weird trend. The different atmospheres and maybe court speed could be contributing factors. In 2020, Vika and Osaka were winner and RU in both Cincy and the US Open and that was the year Cincy was held in NYC. Last year, Barty won Cincy and really should have gone farther in NY, losing a third-set TB to Rogers (with Raducanu next). But yeah, Cincy isn't very predictive of NYC on the women's side lately. Doesn't mean it won't be this year.
I wonder how much players get the itch to get to NYC when they're in Cincy. They're young, they have friends to see, other people are heading there early... If they aren't feeling their games in Cincy, I wonder if they peace out and head east.
But then, some people aren't in a rush to get there. It looks like Muguruza stayed the whole week. Rafa did. They had houses. Maybe they were just fine with the peace and quiet.
Yes, I had forgotten about 2020- the double almost happened..but
not quite. You are right.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:38 am
Ok, thanks for the reminder. Sakkari, at the moment, seems a worthy #3.
For some reason, the spring seems like ages ago. I don't consider her #3 - she's #7 in the race. But then again, I think there's a No. 1, maybe a No. 2, and then 10 people are tied for #3 and 10 people tied for #4.
by ashkor87 Q Zheng has a better shot than these Sakkaris and Garcias. .she is young, getting better, reduced Halep to tears at RG..
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meganfernandez Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:03 am
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:50 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
US Open Slam semi, WTA semi, Indian Wells final, Qatar semi (it's a 1000), plus two more finals, two more semis, and two quarterfinals. She's just gone a little cold since IW, making only semi since then. Her losses haven't been terrible: BHM, Garcia, Jabeur, Muchova in two tiebreaks, Maria at Wimbledon (looks better once she made the semi). She beat Gauff in Rome and Kasatkina 0 and 3 on grass. I have totally ignored her this year, though.
And, again - she had COVID-19 in April, and the effects of that have been lingering.
That's not to say that she would have continued her dominance had she not contracted COVID - very likely not... but her results would likely have been better from April until now had she not contracted COVID.
I don't think I knew Sakkari had COVID. Yeah, definitely a factor. Thanks for the reminder. Now I'm going to back to underestimating her.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:58 pm
Q Zheng has a better shot than these Sakkaris and Garcias. .she is young, getting better, reduced Halep to tears at RG..
I'd say "as good a chance." In the case of Garcia, people are letting her past affect their expectations of her more than current form. I guess that's somewhat fair, but players change and improve. She's resurgent and maybe she's better now than she was in 2017. Or just as good and now more experienced.
Zheng is getting better and better, and she has been close to a breakthrough event recently, just losing a close match to a top player. I'd give her an edge over Sakkari (although Sakkari beat her 1 and 4 at the Aussie) but not as good of a chance as Garcia, who has more experience and better results lately.
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JTContinental ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
I think basically all her points came from the back half of the season, so if she continues to play in her current form, things should balance out quickly.
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JTContinental meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:44 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:58 pm
Q Zheng has a better shot than these Sakkaris and Garcias. .she is young, getting better, reduced Halep to tears at RG..
I'd say "as good a chance." In the case of Garcia, people are letting her past affect their expectations of her more than current form. I guess that's somewhat fair, but players change and improve. She's resurgent and maybe she's better now than she was in 2017. Or just as good and now more experienced.
Zheng is getting better and better, and she has been close to a breakthrough event recently, just losing a close match to a top player. I'd give her an edge over Sakkari (although Sakkari beat her 1 and 4 at the Aussie) but not as good of a chance as Garcia, who has more experience and better results lately.
Garcia and Pera are my "peaked too early" picks for the USO
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meganfernandez JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:50 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:44 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:58 pm
Q Zheng has a better shot than these Sakkaris and Garcias. .she is young, getting better, reduced Halep to tears at RG..
I'd say "as good a chance." In the case of Garcia, people are letting her past affect their expectations of her more than current form. I guess that's somewhat fair, but players change and improve. She's resurgent and maybe she's better now than she was in 2017. Or just as good and now more experienced.
Zheng is getting better and better, and she has been close to a breakthrough event recently, just losing a close match to a top player. I'd give her an edge over Sakkari (although Sakkari beat her 1 and 4 at the Aussie) but not as good of a chance as Garcia, who has more experience and better results lately.
Garcia and Pera are my "peaked too early" picks for the USO
Pera has... peaked? You would have considered her a contender if she had won LESS this summer?
She isn't on any of my gigantic lists. Maybe I'm a fool, but I don't consider her a Slam threat.
Garcia is just getting started.
Some players can actually sustain a high level.
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meganfernandez JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
I think basically all her points came from the back half of the season, so if she continues to play in her current form, things should balance out quickly.
A little more than half of Sakkari's points are from 2022. She got 1,000 in Feb and early March, from Qatar and IW. If she bombs out of the USO first round, she will likely fall out of the Top 20 in the race. If she wins a few rounds and the tournament is another erratic one, she should stay in the Top 10 or 15.
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ponchi101 JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
I think basically all her points came from the back half of the season, so if she continues to play in her current form, things should balance out quickly.
I don't even expect Mugu or Anett reaching the tour finals, which will drop them even more.
That is, unless they do really well at the USO and pile on 700 points or something like that. Otherwise, they both drop to the 20's, which is the level of tennis they are playing.
Sakkari and Sabalenka are defending SF points. They are also on the clock.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:13 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
I think basically all her points came from the back half of the season, so if she continues to play in her current form, things should balance out quickly.
I don't even expect Mugu or Anett reaching the tour finals, which will drop them even more.
That is, unless they do really well at the USO and pile on 700 points or something like that. Otherwise, they both drop to the 20's, which is the level of tennis they are playing.
Sakkari and Sabalenka are defending SF points. They are also on the clock.
Thing is, Swiatek has gobbled up so many points - 7,000 - that there aren't much left for others. I think the last few spots for the Finals will be hotly contested this fall. I expect Swiatek, Jabeur, Gauff, and Pegula to make it for sure. The rest I think are going to be up for grabs, although I haven't done the math. Agree about Mugu and Kontaveit, although I still have hope for Kontaveit if she feels better once fall rolls around.
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JTContinental meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:09 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:48 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:09 pm
A scorching last three months of last year, and everybody behind her having done nothing that comes close to that since.
Heck, I don't get how Sakkari is #3.
I think basically all her points came from the back half of the season, so if she continues to play in her current form, things should balance out quickly.
A little more than half of Sakkari's points are from 2022. She got 1,000 in Feb and early March, from Qatar and IW. If she bombs out of the USO first round, she will likely fall out of the Top 20 in the race. If she wins a few rounds and the tournament is another erratic one, she should stay in the Top 10 or 15.
Sorry, should have been more clear--I meant Kontaveit
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JTContinental meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:57 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:50 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:44 pm
I'd say "as good a chance." In the case of Garcia, people are letting her past affect their expectations of her more than current form. I guess that's somewhat fair, but players change and improve. She's resurgent and maybe she's better now than she was in 2017. Or just as good and now more experienced.
Zheng is getting better and better, and she has been close to a breakthrough event recently, just losing a close match to a top player. I'd give her an edge over Sakkari (although Sakkari beat her 1 and 4 at the Aussie) but not as good of a chance as Garcia, who has more experience and better results lately.
Garcia and Pera are my "peaked too early" picks for the USO
Pera has... peaked? You would have considered her a contender if she had won LESS this summer?
She isn't on any of my gigantic lists. Maybe I'm a fool, but I don't consider her a Slam threat.
Garcia is just getting started.
Some players can actually sustain a high level.
I'm thinking in SP terms, I guess. I think Pera and Garcia will be popular early round choices, and that both will disappoint.
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meganfernandez JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:19 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:57 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:50 pm
Garcia and Pera are my "peaked too early" picks for the USO
Pera has... peaked? You would have considered her a contender if she had won LESS this summer?
She isn't on any of my gigantic lists. Maybe I'm a fool, but I don't consider her a Slam threat.
Garcia is just getting started.
Some players can actually sustain a high level.
I'm thinking in SP terms, I guess. I think Pera and Garcia will be popular early round choices, and that both will disappoint.
Pera is totally making a run to the semis now.
Good point about SP.
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meganfernandez JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:18 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:09 pm
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:48 pm
I think basically all her points came from the back half of the season, so if she continues to play in her current form, things should balance out quickly.
A little more than half of Sakkari's points are from 2022. She got 1,000 in Feb and early March, from Qatar and IW. If she bombs out of the USO first round, she will likely fall out of the Top 20 in the race. If she wins a few rounds and the tournament is another erratic one, she should stay in the Top 10 or 15.
Sorry, should have been more clear--I meant Kontaveit
Ah, totally. She was on fire last fall. Sakkari had a good fall, too, but Kontaveit had a better one.
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JazzNU meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:23 pm
Ah, totally. She was on fire last fall. Sakkari had a good fall, too, but Kontaveit had a better one.
Sakkari has talked about struggling with being highly ranked and a favorite and how she let it affect her mindset versus being the underdog. But she's been playing better the last couple of weeks, I just don't think many have noticed. Played Garcia very close in Cincy for instance before Caroline pulled away in the 3rd, but few seem to have realized this. For whatever reason, I've always felt people have been down on Sakkari, even when she was winning regularly, there seemed to be more shock that she was getting through her draw and certainty that she'd lose in the next round to a perceived better player most of the time.
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meganfernandez JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:39 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:23 pm
Ah, totally. She was on fire last fall. Sakkari had a good fall, too, but Kontaveit had a better one.
Sakkari has talked about struggling with being highly ranked and a favorite and how she let it affect her mindset versus being the underdog. But she's been playing better the last couple of weeks, I just don't think many have noticed. Played Garcia very close in Cincy for instance before Caroline pulled away in the 3rd, but few seem to have realized this. For whatever reason, I've always felt people have been down on Sakkari, even when she was winning regularly, there seemed to be more shock that she was getting through her draw and certainty that she'd lose in the next round to a perceived better player most of the time.
I'm guilty, for no good reason. Probably because she hasn't won a big title, just one 250.
Also, her stature makes me think she isn't all that powerful, despite her physique. Probably a tall-player bias. I've felt the same about Fernandez - she just looks undersized. But Halep does just fine, and other small-stature players have. Hold on, just looked up Sakkari's height - she is listed at 5'8. Can that be right? Swiatek is listed at 5'9. I thought Sakkari was more like 5'5.
by AcesAnnie The thing with Sakkari, as I mentioned is she can look absolutely fantastic in a match, and then the next match you are expecting the same from her and she fools you terribly. She comes out with a real stinker of a match. There is no denying that the girl is not only extremely strong, but also very talented. Maybe she is just putting too much pressure on herself and needs to play looser.
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Deuce To clarify, once again...
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:34 pm
I don't think I knew Sakkari had COVID. Yeah, definitely a factor. Thanks for the reminder. Now I'm going to back to underestimating her.
Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:38 am
^ Just to clarify, I'm referring to Kontaveit above who had COVID, not Sakkari.
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meganfernandez Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:54 pm
To clarify, once again...
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:34 pm
I don't think I knew Sakkari had COVID. Yeah, definitely a factor. Thanks for the reminder. Now I'm going to back to underestimating her.
Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:38 am
^ Just to clarify, I'm referring to Kontaveit above who had COVID, not Sakkari.
ah okay. That I knew.
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If she makes it to the second week I'll start paying attention. She's really fit though.
by ti-amie Another young US male people have their eyes on.
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ponchi101 JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:39 pm
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Sakkari has talked about struggling with being highly ranked and a favorite and how she let it affect her mindset versus being the underdog. But she's been playing better the last couple of weeks, I just don't think many have noticed. Played Garcia very close in Cincy for instance before Caroline pulled away in the 3rd, but few seem to have realized this. For whatever reason, I've always felt people have been down on Sakkari, even when she was winning regularly, there seemed to be more shock that she was getting through her draw and certainty that she'd lose in the next round to a perceived better player most of the time.
Megan replied already, but I say it is because she is already 27, and has only one tournament to her name. She started slow; she started reaching the upper levels about three years ago, but although she has been very consistent, she has won very little. By 27, I think that says something.
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ponchi101 JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:19 pm
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I'm thinking in SP terms, I guess. I think Pera and Garcia will be popular early round choices, and that both will disappoint.
Pera will be a good 1R option, depending on this week. She will most likely win, if she does not draw anybody of relevance.
Garcia will be a dilemma. Do you ick her early, expecting a regression to the mean in a couple of rounds, or do you wait until later, believing her new form is here to stay?
I will stay away. She has burned me before.
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JazzNU JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:50 pm
Garcia and Pera are my "peaked too early" picks for the USO
Disagree on Garcia. Now that she's dropped that baggage (her father) and has a real team behind her, I think sky's the limit as it once was for her. In the past, she'd be playing this week and she was scheduled to yet again, so thank goodness she had the deep run to derail that awful planning.
As for Pera, if it isn't a clay court, I have no faith.
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:02 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:39 pm
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Sakkari has talked about struggling with being highly ranked and a favorite and how she let it affect her mindset versus being the underdog. But she's been playing better the last couple of weeks, I just don't think many have noticed. Played Garcia very close in Cincy for instance before Caroline pulled away in the 3rd, but few seem to have realized this. For whatever reason, I've always felt people have been down on Sakkari, even when she was winning regularly, there seemed to be more shock that she was getting through her draw and certainty that she'd lose in the next round to a perceived better player most of the time.
Megan replied already, but I say it is because she is already 27, and has only one tournament to her name. She started slow; she started reaching the upper levels about three years ago, but although she has been very consistent, she has won very little. By 27, I think that says something.
Okay, so here's why I find this a weak argument - It doesn't stop anyone around here believing in or even praising Jessica Pegula, who I think is 28, or Shelby Rogers, who is 29. Shelby, who just made her first hard court final of any kind and all people do around for 2 years now is talk about how great she's playing on hard courts and how deep a run she'll have and then she doesn't and then two weeks later, they are back to believing in her. Jessie also has "one title to her name" and yet again, not the same disbelief when she wins and a decent amount of praise.
If the general disbelief in players with somewhat similar stats was fairly equal across the board, I'd get that much more. But that's just not even close to the case. People around here are down on Sakkari. The comment about her playing a fantastic match and throwing in a stinker - that's actually what happens to Shelby, not Sakkari. Going off of Sakkari's results from just the last few months when she's struggled is truly doing her a disservice. Could she have gotten to as high in the rankings if she's throwing in a stinker after every great match? Of course not. But it goes to how she's viewed around here. And Shelby, who I like mind you, gets a pass all the damn time from people accurately seeing her. Shelby has never been ranked in the 20s. Not the Top 20, the Twenties - meaning she's never been ranked 29 or higher. Why? Because she does indeed play a great match followed by a stinker and the results and rankings don't lie on that front. It's really quite strange to me and I usually just skip over the comments putting Sakkari down in one way or another, but today I'm stopping and pointing it out.
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ponchi101 And you expect perfect rationality from this group of riff-raffs, after all these years of coming here?
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AcesAnnie JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:23 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:02 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:39 pm
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Sakkari has talked about struggling with being highly ranked and a favorite and how she let it affect her mindset versus being the underdog. But she's been playing better the last couple of weeks, I just don't think many have noticed. Played Garcia very close in Cincy for instance before Caroline pulled away in the 3rd, but few seem to have realized this. For whatever reason, I've always felt people have been down on Sakkari, even when she was winning regularly, there seemed to be more shock that she was getting through her draw and certainty that she'd lose in the next round to a perceived better player most of the time.
Megan replied already, but I say it is because she is already 27, and has only one tournament to her name. She started slow; she started reaching the upper levels about three years ago, but although she has been very consistent, she has won very little. By 27, I think that says something.
Okay, so here's why I find this a weak argument - It doesn't stop anyone around here believing in or even praising Jessica Pegula, who I think is 28, or Shelby Rogers, who is 29. Shelby, who just made her first hard court final of any kind and all people do around for 2 years now is talk about how great she's playing on hard courts and how deep a run she'll have and then she doesn't and then two weeks later, they are back to believing in her. Jessie also has "one title to her name" and yet again, not the same disbelief when she wins and a decent amount of praise.
If the general disbelief in players with somewhat similar stats was fairly equal across the board, I'd get that much more. But that's just not even close to the case. People around here are down on Sakkari. The comment about her playing a fantastic match and throwing in a stinker - that's actually what happens to Shelby, not Sakkari. Going off of Sakkari's results from just the last few months when she's struggled is truly doing her a disservice. Could she have gotten to as high in the rankings if she's throwing in a stinker after every great match? Of course not. But it goes to how she's viewed around here. And Shelby, who I like mind you, gets a pass all the damn time from people accurately seeing her. Shelby has never been ranked in the 20s. Not the Top 20, the Twenties - meaning she's never been ranked 29 or higher. Why? Because she does indeed play a great match followed by a stinker and the results and rankings don't lie on that front. It's really quite strange to me and I usually just skip over the comments putting Sakkari down in one way or another, but today I'm stopping and pointing it out.
Okay, here is my thing about Shelby, I choose to cheer for her not because she is the most fantastic tennis player on the WTA tour, but because of the typeof person she seems to be. I understand she does not have the talent that a Sakkari, Jabeur, Swiatek have , but she has the ability to stand in there and play with the best players on any given day and even come out on top on some of those days. Sure, she can throw in a stinker from time to time as any player, including Sakkari. The thing is Sheby does not have the talent that a Sakkari has, but Shelby wins matches against some of these top players from time to time. Matches she is not supposed to win. Sakkari however, will play a top player and blow them off the court and look like she is the #1 player in the world and then play a player that she should easily beat, and lose the match. That is what I am talking about. She can be up and down. Maybe it is because, I see her with so much potential. Even more than where she is now.
I really like the game of Sakkari's, I think she is one of the strongest players on the women's tour right now. I do believe if her focus is right she can beat anyone on the ladies tour on any day. It just seems like she is on some sort of roller coaster ride.
by ti-amie I also like Sakkari and when she's on she's great. But I've watched her get to quarter or semi finals and play as if she's never seen a tennis ball before. The same with Sabalenka. She gets to a certain point in a major and everything she knows goes out the window.
Shelby has been playing well but I wouldn't pick her to win here. She just kinda drifts away during a major. I usually root for her when she plays.
The field is so wide open this year anyone could win.
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote:
If she makes it to the second week I'll start paying attention. She's really fit though.
You think she could make 2nd week? I think she will need a miracle from the draw gods and some NYC night magic. But I always thought her career would end with something dramatic. And Sampras did It, came off a two-year slump to win one last US Open.
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by ponchi101 Sampras was much younger. And he was still seeded.
She will need a very benevolent draw to make it to the 2nd week. But any high seed will be very difficult. And, every player is going out there knowing that they can be the last player to beat Serena. They will all play as hard as they can.
by ti-amie Y'all I did say IF she makes the second week.
by AcesAnnie I am just hoping she wins her 1st match. Anything beyond that will be a plus for me. I will be tuning in for every one of her matches no matter who she is playing against. I hope it can turn into at least a decent run.
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote:Y'all I did say IF she makes the second week.
I know, I was sincerely asking what you think of her chances.
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by Suliso About Shelby and to a lesser extent Pegula - is anyone really thinking of them as likely title winners? It seems to me more like a sentimental home team cheering.
by ashkor87 Kerber had pulled out..pregnant, it seems. .
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meganfernandez Suliso wrote:About Shelby and to a lesser extent Pegula - is anyone really thinking of them as likely title winners? It seems to me more like a sentimental home team cheering.
I actually do think Pegula is a title contender. She has been really good this year. And I think Rogers has the game to win a Slam. I’m trying to stop putting players in a “they can never win one” box. They’re the best in the world. Of course they can. It’s hard and most people won’t in their career, but yeah, these players are contenders on a favorable surface. And right now both of them are healthy and have been playing well.
Definitely not because they are Americans.
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Suliso If so why are you putting Sakkari in that box?
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:03 pm
Suliso wrote:About Shelby and to a lesser extent Pegula - is anyone really thinking of them as likely title winners? It seems to me more like a sentimental home team cheering.
I actually do think Pegula is a title contender. She has been really good this year. And I think Rogers has the game to win a Slam. I’m trying to stop putting players in a “they can never win one” box. They’re the best in the world. Of course they can. It’s hard and most people won’t in their career, but yeah, these players are contenders on a favorable surface. And right now both of them are healthy and have been playing well.
Definitely not because they are Americans.
Yes, we all need to be more generous..especially me. These are topnotch athletes
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ponchi101 Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:48 am
About Shelby and to a lesser extent Pegula - is anyone really thinking of them as likely title winners? It seems to me more like a sentimental home team cheering.
"Likely" winners, no. "With the same probability that Kenin had before her unexpected Aussie Open win" winners, maybe.
by ashkor87 wonder if they will rename the stadium after Serena - BJK already has the entire arena, and Ashe has the stadium.. Serena deserves no less? but then what about Venus? she hasnt even retired yet.. complicated!
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meganfernandez Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:32 pm
If so why are you putting Sakkari in that box?
Probably recency bias. Or power bias. Or just haven't seen her play as much as the others. We all have our different filters. But I am trying to check myself about putting players in these boxes. Thing is, our biases are usually confirmed because only one player wins and only a few make it deep. So it's easy to say "yeah, I was right, she can't win" because she hasn't yet. Truthfully, I don't think Rogers will ever win a Slam, but I'm trying to not think it's so set in stone.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:13 pm
wonder if they will rename the stadium after Serena - BJK already has the entire arena, and Ashe has the stadium.. Serena deserves no less? but then what about Venus? she hasnt even retired yet.. complicated!
We were talking about it before. I can't see them changing either name. ASHE Stadium is too emblematic; BJK Tennis center too. Armstrong has too much history (the name).
But somewhere some tournament will name their main stadium after Serena. Like Barcelona has its Rafa Nadal court, I forget which tournament in germany has its Steffi Graf court, and so on. If Miami had a fixed stadium, it would be a good place.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:13 pm
wonder if they will rename the stadium after Serena - BJK already has the entire arena, and Ashe has the stadium.. Serena deserves no less? but then what about Venus? she hasnt even retired yet.. complicated!
We talked about this when she announced the retirement. We don't think they will strip the name already on a stadium and replace it with Serena, so it will have to be a new stadium. Or maybe just a court. It can be the Serena Williams Court inside Arthur Ashe Stadium at the BJK National Tennis Center.
She'll get something, at some point, but maybe not soon. I don't think they can use her name without her approval. She owns the rights to her name for marketing purposes, and I think that would qualify.
Miami puts up the court on the Dolphins' football field, right?
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AcesAnnie Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:48 am
About Shelby and to a lesser extent Pegula - is anyone really thinking of them as likely title winners? It seems to me more like a sentimental home team cheering.
I do not think Shelby is a contender to win the USO title. That being said, I would love to see her win the tournament because she is my favorite female player on the tour, but the likelihood of that happening is slim to none. As for Pegula, there is a much better chance of her winning the USO than Shelby. I don't honestly believe it will happen, but she has a better chance. I do however think that both of these women will be around come the 2nd week of the tournament.
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ponchi101 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:43 pm
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Miami puts up the court on the Dolphins' football field, right?
After the wonderful Key Biscayne complex/fiasco, they now use the HARD ROCK CAFE stadium.
And they are certainly not going to change the venerable, classy, historically significant HARD ROCK NAME away. They will not prophane that site.
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JTContinental Angelique Kerber has withdrawn and announced that she is pregnant
2016 US Open champion Angelique Kerber has a very good reason for missing the US Open in 2022: The former No. 1 announced on Wednesday that she's expecting her first child.
Kerber, 34, made the announcement on her social media channels, and opened with a quip: "I really wanted to play the US Open, but eventually I decided that two against one just isn‘t a fair competition," with a host of emojis.
Kerber's triumph in New York six years ago assured a rise to the world No. 1 ranking, a spot she held for 34 weeks overall between 2016 and 2017. She defeated Karolina Pliskova in three sets to win the US Open title, making her the first German woman to win the singles title in New York in 20 years.
This year, Kerber last played at Wimbledon, where she lost in Round 3 to Belgian Elise Mertens, and had been quiet about her summer schedule plans before dropping this news. She's currently ranked No. 52 in the world.
"New York has often been a turning point in my career and it feels like this year will be no different in some way," she wrote. "From restarting my career in 2011 to winning the title in 2016 and becoming No. 1 in the world… the US Open [has] a special place in my heart and I wish I could have said goodbye to all of you on court before not being around on tour for a while."
A lucky loser will take Kerber's allotted place in the US Open women's singles draw, which will be made on Thursday, once qualifying is completed.
by ti-amie Isn't the Grandstand still the Grandstand? If they were going to change the name of a court that would be the one.
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:45 pm
Isn't the Grandstand still the Grandstand? If they were going to change the name of a court that would be the one.
I think it is. I just wonder how Sererna would feel about being #3, you know?
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AcesAnnie ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:45 pm
Isn't the Grandstand still the Grandstand? If they were going to change the name of a court that would be the one.
2023, The Serena Williams Grandstand Court. It has a nice ring to it.
by ashkor87 Nadal looking more doubtful now..some complication re Maria, his wife, some minor surgery it seems..I would expect him to head home...
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:42 pm
Nadal looking more doubtful now..some complication re Maria, his wife, some minor surgery it seems..I would expect him to head home...
He has always kept his priorities lined up. I say, 50% he withdraws. He is not going to stay in NYC if Xisca is having any issues. Let's hope there is nothing wrong with her (and not because of the tennis).
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:42 pm
Nadal looking more doubtful now..some complication re Maria, his wife, some minor surgery it seems..I would expect him to head home...
He has always kept his priorities lined up. I say, 50% he withdraws. He is not going to stay in NYC if Xisca is having any issues. Let's hope there is nothing wrong with her (and not because of the tennis).
I'm surprised he's not already gone. Medvedev FTW.
If Nadal leaves and Medvedev isn't in top form, is the men's draw as wide open as the women's? I think so. Every time I think "I'm going with Tsitsipas" or "Alcaraz is ready" or "Kyrgios can win this," I can't commit. Because there's a lot of competition and no one has separated themselves from the pack.
by ponchi101 Even with Medvedev, it is as wide open as it has been ever. But not as much as the women's. I would say the cut off point is around the top 12 players. We know for the women is around #36, and then you still have Naomi below that.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:13 pm
Even with Medvedev, it is as wide open as it has been ever. But not as much as the women's. I would say the cut off point is around the top 12 players. We know for the women is around #36, and then you still have Naomi below that.
Agree. I think we have to be saying that Norrie, Coric, Paul, Fritz - all contenders. Berrettini if he's healthy. But I still think Med, Tsitsipas and Alcaraz are in another tier. They have distinguished themselves at Slams and with consistency, if not lately. I actually will go with Tsitsipas if Nadal withdraws.
by ponchi101 The draw will be today, and we will then have those two topics up.
The poll for the ATP will be "easy": Take out the missing players, and then the top ten excluding Ruud, and including Sinner and Matteo, plus our dear friend OTHER.
For the WTA, I really have to think who to include, because we have a limit of 10 options. Iga has to be there, as well as OTHER, and then I know that there will be a few posts about "why didn't you include such and such?", and they will all be right. I am voting OTHER, and I suspect it will be the winning choice.
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AcesAnnie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:22 pm
The draw will be today, and we will then have those two topics up.
The poll for the ATP will be "easy": Take out the missing players, and then the top ten excluding Ruud, and including Sinner and Matteo, plus our dear friend OTHER.
For the WTA, I really have to think who to include, because we have a limit of 10 options. Iga has to be there, as well as OTHER, and then I know that there will be a few posts about "why didn't you include such and such?", and they will all be right. I am voting OTHER, and I suspect it will be the winning choice.
Put Caroline Garcia in the OTHER column.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:42 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:13 pm
wonder if they will rename the stadium after Serena - BJK already has the entire arena, and Ashe has the stadium.. Serena deserves no less? but then what about Venus? she hasnt even retired yet.. complicated!
We were talking about it before. I can't see them changing either name. ASHE Stadium is too emblematic; BJK Tennis center too. Armstrong has too much history (the name).
But somewhere some tournament will name their main stadium after Serena. Like Barcelona has its Rafa Nadal court, I forget which tournament in germany has its Steffi Graf court, and so on. If Miami had a fixed stadium, it would be a good place.
Serena is the greatest American player ever!
by JazzNU Novak officially withdrew before the draw since he can't enter the country. And it was one of his best statements in years, short and sweet wishing others well, not playing the damn victim. Here's hoping his obnoxious fans take his cue and calm the **** down on social media, they have been even more insufferable than usual (which is saying something) littering any US Open related post with messages.
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AcesAnnie JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:12 pm
Novak officially withdrew before the draw since he can't enter the country. And it was one of his best statements in years, short and sweet wishing others well, not playing the damn victim. Here's hoping his obnoxious fans take his cue and calm the **** down on social media, they have been even more insufferable than usual (which is saying something) littering any US Open related post with messages.
Seriously the entire situation is pretty damn simple. Novak has made it clear that he is sticking with his decision to not get vaccinated, and that is perfectly a just decision on his part. The United States and other countries have also made a stance on allowing unvaccinated people from other countries into their country, and we have a stalemate. So why do people feel the need to be a-holes one way or the other, that is what I don't understand. They can say all the crap they want, but in the end nothing is going to change. Novak will still stand by his decision and the country will do the same. So what Novak did was the best thing for the situation and not blow it out of the water. Fans should do the same.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:10 pm
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Serena is the greatest American player ever!
Again, we talked about it. Ashe is not named after the man because of his tennis accomplishments, and neither is the BJK center. They are named largely and mostly for what they did off court.
If it were because of the tennis accomplishments, BJK get a plaque in court 9, Ashe gets one of the restaurants named after him. They are "greats" for other reasons.
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JazzNU ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:10 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:42 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:13 pm
wonder if they will rename the stadium after Serena - BJK already has the entire arena, and Ashe has the stadium.. Serena deserves no less? but then what about Venus? she hasnt even retired yet.. complicated!
We were talking about it before. I can't see them changing either name. ASHE Stadium is too emblematic; BJK Tennis center too. Armstrong has too much history (the name).
But somewhere some tournament will name their main stadium after Serena. Like Barcelona has its Rafa Nadal court, I forget which tournament in germany has its Steffi Graf court, and so on. If Miami had a fixed stadium, it would be a good place.
Serena is the greatest American player ever!
Yes, but Serena (and this goes for Venus as well) have a healthy respect for the road that was paved for them and are the last people who would want Arthur Ashe's or BLK's name replaced with theirs. If they do it anytime soon, it'll be one of the unnamed courts like Grandstand as was mentioned or it'll be like a new name given to the Fan Pavilion or something like that.
At another tournament, Miami is the obvious choice of a tour tournament that would name something after her first. But it's not a permanent tennis center, so not sure how that would work, but if they can swing it, that would be the place that would do it the soonest I'd say.
by ponchi101 Miami could name THE TROPHY after her (The Serena Williams Cup). That could be lasting, and regardless of where the tournament will move next (and they will move, that thing has been itinerant from the beginning) the name and recognition will be appropriate.
by ashkor87 USO could name the trophy after her too!
by ashkor87 Serena has a good draw...could be a lot worse...
by ponchi101 No more news coming about Xisca's condition, which is good news. So maybe Rafa will stay and play.
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AcesAnnie ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:48 pm
No more news coming about Xisca's condition, which is good news. So maybe Rafa will stay and play.
No matter what Rafa decides, this has to be a trying time for him. Yes, his job is to prepare for this tennis tournament, but his life is to be with his wife during this critical time of her pregnancy. I have no doubt in my mind that if his wife needs this surgery, that Rafa will NOT play in the USO and be with his wife during this time.
by meganfernandez Yikes. Something hurting? Caption says Serena finished her practice unexpectedly and angrily.
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AcesAnnie meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:28 pm
Yikes. Something hurting? Caption says Serena finished her practice unexpectedly and angrily.
I imagine a lot is going through Serena's head going into this USO tournament. It has to be tough going in knowing this is going to be your Swan Song and everyone is going to have their eye on you and hoping for a fantastic performance. I know she has been in a lot of pressure situations before, but this one is a bit different and one she has never really faced before, and I think it is going to be very difficult on her.
by ponchi101 Photos can be tricky; they capture split second images that may misconstrue reality.
But nobody on that shot looks positive, at that moment.
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AcesAnnie ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:55 pm
Wouldn't that be shocking if he did an Emma Raducanu?
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JazzNU AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:21 pm
Wouldn't that be shocking if he did an Emma Raducanu?
Very shocking since I was less than impressed. Way, way more shocking than Emma winning it to me.
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AcesAnnie JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:45 pm
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:21 pm
Wouldn't that be shocking if he did an Emma Raducanu?
Very shocking since I was less than impressed. Way, way more shocking than Emma winning it to me.
I am in no way saying that this is going to happen, but did you know who Emma Raducanu was before her run at the USO last year? Probably not. If you did know of her, you probably didn't pay much attention to her and I know you didn't give her a chance in hell to win the USO title.
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JazzNU AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:50 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:45 pm
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:21 pm
Wouldn't that be shocking if he did an Emma Raducanu?
Very shocking since I was less than impressed. Way, way more shocking than Emma winning it to me.
I am in no way saying that this is going to happen, but did you know who Emma Raducanu was before her run at the USO last year? Probably not.
That's a strange take. Of course I knew about her before the US Open. Doubtful anyone who frequents this forum didn't know about her by that time.
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AcesAnnie JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:11 pm
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:50 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:45 pm
Very shocking since I was less than impressed. Way, way more shocking than Emma winning it to me.
I am in no way saying that this is going to happen, but did you know who Emma Raducanu was before her run at the USO last year? Probably not.
That's a strange take. Of course I knew about her before the US Open. Doubtful anyone who frequents this forum didn't know about her by that time.
I guess what I meant by that is were you really following her as a serious contender at any major event?
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JazzNU AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:53 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:11 pm
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:50 pm
I am in no way saying that this is going to happen, but did you know who Emma Raducanu was before her run at the USO last year? Probably not.
That's a strange take. Of course I knew about her before the US Open. Doubtful anyone who frequents this forum didn't know about her by that time.
I guess what I meant by that is were you really following her as a serious contender at any major event?
That's not what you said though. She was unknown to the world at large when she won the US Open, but she was known by the grand majority of devoted tennis fans since at Wimbledon at the latest. We literally got a blow by blow of her activity from that point on. She got a wild card to San Jose and was promoted as if she was a top 10 player returning from injury and had a very good run at one of the lead up 125k tournaments. Was I putting money down on her to win the US Open? No, but she was on most tennis fan's radars at that time as an up and coming talent.
You've been talking about Linda Noskova and seem high on her. Emma's run is closer to her going on a run thru qualifying and winning the US Open this year. Or Linda Fruhvirtova doing it. But instead of junior success putting her on our radar, it's some recent ITF success followed by a good run at the prior GS that did it.
by jazzyg I posted during Wimbledon last year that Raducanu looked like she could win that tournament, or something to that effect. She got a ton of hype then, and John McEnroe got unfairly criticized (in my view) for being insensitive when he actually said something supportive of her after she retired from her match against Tomljanovic, creating another wave of attention.
Of course no one thought a qualifier could win the U.S. Open when it started, but when she clobbered Shelby Rogers (after Rogers beat Barty) and no top player looked sharp, I certainly thought she had a chance at that point. A qualifier winning a slam probably will not happen again for 50 years, but Raducanu was one of the most qualified qualifiers to make a run I can remember.
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AcesAnnie JazzNU wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 12:43 am
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:53 pm
JazzNU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:11 pm
That's a strange take. Of course I knew about her before the US Open. Doubtful anyone who frequents this forum didn't know about her by that time.
I guess what I meant by that is were you really following her as a serious contender at any major event?
That's not what you said though. She was unknown to the world at large when she won the US Open, but she was known by the grand majority of devoted tennis fans since at Wimbledon at the latest. We literally got a blow by blow of her activity from that point on. She got a wild card to San Jose and was promoted as if she was a top 10 player returning from injury and had a very good run at one of the lead up 125k tournaments. Was I putting money down on her to win the US Open? No, but she was on most tennis fan's radars at that time as an up and coming talent.
You've been talking about Linda Noskova and seem high on her. Emma's run is closer to her going on a run thru qualifying and winning the US Open this year. Or Linda Fruhvirtova doing it. But instead of junior success putting her on our radar, it's some recent ITF success followed by a good run at the prior GS that did it.
Of course, I would have expected that a devoted fan of tennis would know who Emma Raducanu was leading up to that point. That I thought was a given, but I didn't word it right. I just know, last year when she was making her run at the title and even to some extent what Leylah Fernandez was doing as well was extremely shocking.
As for Noskova, I think she has a lot of talent for a 17 year old kid. Do I really know much about her game, no I don't. Could she upset a player or two at the USO? Sure she could. She could also lose in the 1st round.
by ashkor87 Samsonova is doing a Rybakina...quietly impressing..we should pay some attention to her...
by ashkor87 Anyone try the usopen app? Worst ever..even going back and forth is difficult...hope they improve it in the next couple days.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote:Samsonova is doing a Rybakina...quietly impressing..we should pay some attention to her...
She has my attention.
not quite at Rybakina levels (even before Wimbledon, since Rybakina had a great start to 2020). But I respect the danger that Samsonova poses.
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Deuce jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:05 am
Of course no one thought a qualifier could win the U.S. Open when it started, but when she clobbered Shelby Rogers (after Rogers beat Barty) and no top player looked sharp, I certainly thought she had a chance at that point. A qualifier winning a slam probably will not happen again for 50 years, but Raducanu was one of the most qualified qualifiers to make a run I can remember.
I believe that you are also the person who predicted that Karatsev would go on to surpass Felix in the rankings when Karatsev had his good couple of months...
Raducanu was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" based on what, exactly?
By the time the U.S. Open of 2021 began, I believe Raducanu had played only one WTA event, plus Wimbledon. She won a few rounds at Wimbledon and got a lot of attention only because she's British and Wimbledon is held in England. Had she won a few rounds at the Aussie Open, she would not have received half the attention she received at Wimbledon.
So to say she was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" is odd, given her complete lack of history at the WTA level prior to the U.S. Open. Players who have done well at an ITF event are a dime a dozen. There are many players who could be described as being more qualified qualifiers than Raducanu was last year in N.Y. - players who have far more experience and who have achieved much more, even if they're ranked #200.
Honestly, Raducanu's story has all of the earmarks of a 'flash in the pan' - very sudden, big, very short term success followed by pretty much nothing for the past year. I hope things improve for her - but for right now, and if her results don't improve significantly, she'll be the very definition of a 'flash in the pan'.
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AcesAnnie Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:21 am
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:05 am
Of course no one thought a qualifier could win the U.S. Open when it started, but when she clobbered Shelby Rogers (after Rogers beat Barty) and no top player looked sharp, I certainly thought she had a chance at that point. A qualifier winning a slam probably will not happen again for 50 years, but Raducanu was one of the most qualified qualifiers to make a run I can remember.
I believe that you are also the person who predicted that Karatsev would go on to surpass Felix in the rankings when Karatsev had his good couple of months...
Raducanu was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" based on what, exactly?
By the time the U.S. Open of 2021 began, I believe Raducanu had played only one WTA event, plus Wimbledon. She won a few rounds at Wimbledon and got a lot of attention only because she's British and Wimbledon is held in England. Had she won a few rounds at the Aussie Open, she would not have received half the attention she received at Wimbledon.
So to say she was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" is odd, given her complete lack of history at the WTA level prior to the U.S. Open. Players who have done well at an ITF event are a dime a dozen. There are many players who could be described as being more qualified qualifiers than Raducanu was last year in N.Y. - players who have far more experience and who have achieved much more, even if they're ranked #200.
Honestly, Raducanu's story has all of the earmarks of a 'flash in the pan' - very sudden, big, very short term success followed by pretty much nothing for the past year. I hope things improve for her - but for right now, and if her results don't improve significantly, she'll be the very definition of a 'flash in the pan'.
I agree with you that she was not the most qualified of qualifiers. She was pretty much an unknown. As for her becoming a "flash in the pan", I don't know if I can put that tag on any 19 year old player. Not this early in her career even if she does go into a slump. There is plenty of time for her to work through things and get back on track.
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Deuce AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:04 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:21 am
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:05 am
Of course no one thought a qualifier could win the U.S. Open when it started, but when she clobbered Shelby Rogers (after Rogers beat Barty) and no top player looked sharp, I certainly thought she had a chance at that point. A qualifier winning a slam probably will not happen again for 50 years, but Raducanu was one of the most qualified qualifiers to make a run I can remember.
I believe that you are also the person who predicted that Karatsev would go on to surpass Felix in the rankings when Karatsev had his good couple of months...
Raducanu was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" based on what, exactly?
By the time the U.S. Open of 2021 began, I believe Raducanu had played only one WTA event, plus Wimbledon. She won a few rounds at Wimbledon and got a lot of attention only because she's British and Wimbledon is held in England. Had she won a few rounds at the Aussie Open, she would not have received half the attention she received at Wimbledon.
So to say she was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" is odd, given her complete lack of history at the WTA level prior to the U.S. Open. Players who have done well at an ITF event are a dime a dozen. There are many players who could be described as being more qualified qualifiers than Raducanu was last year in N.Y. - players who have far more experience and who have achieved much more, even if they're ranked #200.
Honestly, Raducanu's story has all of the earmarks of a 'flash in the pan' - very sudden, big, very short term success followed by pretty much nothing for the past year. I hope things improve for her - but for right now, and if her results don't improve significantly, she'll be the very definition of a 'flash in the pan'.
I agree with you that she was not the most qualified of qualifiers. She was pretty much an unknown. As for her becoming a "flash in the pan", I don't know if I can put that tag on any 19 year old player. Not this early in her career even if she does go into a slump. There is plenty of time for her to work through things and get back on track.
Yes... I wrote that
at this point, she has all the earmarks of a 'flash in the pan' - and if her results don't improve significantly over what they've been for the past 11 months, she will be the very definition of a 'flash in the pan'.
Surely there is still time for her to show something more - there's still lots of time. But I'd say that the longer she goes without significantly better results, the less likely it will be that the significantly better results will come, as the confidence will decrease as the bad results continue.
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AcesAnnie Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:10 am
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:04 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:21 am
I believe that you are also the person who predicted that Karatsev would go on to surpass Felix in the rankings when Karatsev had his good couple of months...
Raducanu was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" based on what, exactly?
By the time the U.S. Open of 2021 began, I believe Raducanu had played only one WTA event, plus Wimbledon. She won a few rounds at Wimbledon and got a lot of attention only because she's British and Wimbledon is held in England. Had she won a few rounds at the Aussie Open, she would not have received half the attention she received at Wimbledon.
So to say she was "one of the most qualified qualifiers" is odd, given her complete lack of history at the WTA level prior to the U.S. Open. Players who have done well at an ITF event are a dime a dozen. There are many players who could be described as being more qualified qualifiers than Raducanu was last year in N.Y. - players who have far more experience and who have achieved much more, even if they're ranked #200.
Honestly, Raducanu's story has all of the earmarks of a 'flash in the pan' - very sudden, big, very short term success followed by pretty much nothing for the past year. I hope things improve for her - but for right now, and if her results don't improve significantly, she'll be the very definition of a 'flash in the pan'.
I agree with you that she was not the most qualified of qualifiers. She was pretty much an unknown. As for her becoming a "flash in the pan", I don't know if I can put that tag on any 19 year old player. Not this early in her career even if she does go into a slump. There is plenty of time for her to work through things and get back on track.
Yes... I wrote that
at this point, she has all the earmarks of a 'flash in the pan' - and if her results don't improve significantly over what they've been for the past 11 months, she will be the very definition of a 'flash in the pan'.
Surely there is still time for her to show something more - there's still lots of time. But I'd say that the longer she goes without significantly better results, the less likely it will be that the significantly better results will come, as the confidence will decrease as the bad results continue.
So do you think Sophia Kenin is going to be a "flash in the pan". Her results of late other than a string of a few good matches in her latest tournament have been horrible? She is still very young. If she continues to play poorly, is she a "flash in the pan?"
by Suliso All three Czech teens qualified.
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Deuce AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:15 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:10 am
AcesAnnie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:04 am
I agree with you that she was not the most qualified of qualifiers. She was pretty much an unknown. As for her becoming a "flash in the pan", I don't know if I can put that tag on any 19 year old player. Not this early in her career even if she does go into a slump. There is plenty of time for her to work through things and get back on track.
Yes... I wrote that
at this point, she has all the earmarks of a 'flash in the pan' - and if her results don't improve significantly over what they've been for the past 11 months, she will be the very definition of a 'flash in the pan'.
Surely there is still time for her to show something more - there's still lots of time. But I'd say that the longer she goes without significantly better results, the less likely it will be that the significantly better results will come, as the confidence will decrease as the bad results continue.
So do you think Sophia Kenin is going to be a "flash in the pan". Her results of late other than a string of a few good matches in her latest tournament have been horrible? She is still very young. If she continues to play poorly, is she a "flash in the pan?"
Kenin had much better results over a significantly longer period than Raducanu. She was much more established than Raducanu.
Therefore, even if she never again gets back into the top 50, I don't think anyone will consider Kenin to be a 'flash in the pan' - including myself.
by ashkor87 Revised probability estimates (to be revised again after we see what the court is playing like)
Men:
Medvedev 30% (still the best player in the world)
Kyrgios 25%
Sinner 15%
Hurkacz 10% (am somehow not convinced he really has the class to win a major)
Nadal 10% (dont think he is really fit, plus there are other distractions now)
Field 10% (includes Tsitsipas, his topspin doesnt really work well on hard courts.. and Alcaraz, not quite ready yet)
Women:
Swiatek 20% (not playing like a champion these days but class will tell)
Osaka 15% (class is permanent, form is temporary)
Leylah 15% (especially if the court is quick)
Andreescu 10% (class, yes, but seems to have injury issues)
Rybakina 10% (is she ready to dominate? probably not. Is she good enough, yes)
Samsonova 10%
Raducanu 5% (will do well if the court is fast)
Garcia 5% (not convinced she has the class to win a major)
Halep 5% (never done well at the USO, may be physically too taxing for her)
Q Zheng ,5% is best of the rest...
Field 0% (the rest arent really good enough)
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jazzyg Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:21 am
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I believe that you are also the person who predicted that Karatsev would go on to surpass Felix in the rankings when Karatsev had his good couple of months...
I thought Raducanu played incredibly well at Wimbledon and had all the shots to go deep in slams. My opinion had nothing to do with her being British. I watched her play and was super impressed.
And you're wrong that I predicted Karatsev would surpass Felix based on a good couple of months. It was only a good couple of matches, which makes that opinion appear even more ridiculous than you make it out to be. I'd never seen anyone return serve like he did in those two matches, and his groundstrokes were laser sharp on both wings. It turns out his return of serve is below average, his groundstrokes are scattershot and he was just on a weird hot streak, which was utterly predictable considering his lack of results to that point over several years.
He has, however, won three times as many titles as Felix. That won't be the case for long, but it's true at the moment.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 5:01 am
Revised probability estimates (to be revised again after we see what the court is playing like)
Men:
Medvedev 30% (still the best player in the world)
Kyrgios 25%
Sinner 15%
Hurkacz 10% (am somehow not convinced he really has the class to win a major)
Nadal 10% (dont think he is really fit, plus there are other distractions now)
Field 10% (includes Tsitsipas, his topspin doesnt really work well on hard courts.. and Alcaraz, not quite ready yet)
Women:
Swiatek 20% (not playing like a champion these days but class will tell)
Osaka 15% (class is permanent, form is temporary)
Leylah 15% (especially if the court is quick)
Andreescu 10% (class, yes, but seems to have injury issues)
Rybakina 10% (is she ready to dominate? probably not. Is she good enough, yes)
Samsonova 10%
Raducanu 5% (will do well if the court is fast)
Garcia 5% (not convinced she has the class to win a major)
Halep 5% (never done well at the USO, may be physically too taxing for her)
Q Zheng ,5% is best of the rest...
Field 0% (the rest arent really good enough)
Giving the field in the WTA 0% is not looking at the stats of late. You just had a FIELD player win Wimbledon, another two did it at the USO last yera and RG last year.
And sorry, class is not permanent. JC Ferrero had a very, very good 2003. Was #1 for a while. He went downhill from there for the rest of his career, not even being a factor on his beloved clay.
Class can also be transient.
by ashkor87 Rybakina was not a ' field' player for me at W
I agree about Krejcikova and Raducanu but this year has been rather more 'normal' - Barty winning the AO was totally expected, so was Swiatek winning the French, and Rybakina should have been a third favorite at least if we had read the cards correctly ..I feel order is being restored, somewhat ..
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JazzNU ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 3:17 am
Anyone try the usopen app? Worst ever..even going back and forth is difficult...hope they improve it in the next couple days.
Haven't used it a ton, but used it the last two days to check court assignments of qualifying matches and check scores. Just checked it again now, the fantasy and draw portions. Again, they worked fine. Could either be a regional issue or if you're on an iPhone, could be that app is having more troubles. If you're on Android and having problems, I'm going to hazard a guess that it might come down to the version of Android you're on and how it works with it. ( But I haven't run into any issues so far, certainly not having any trouble navigating back and forth. I'll post if that changes.
Biggest criticism I have for this year's app thus far is that portions of it have the feel of a mobile wrapper app and I hate that.
FWIW, the last update to the app for me was August 25th.
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jazzyg ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 5:04 pm
Rybakina was not a ' field' player for me at W
Rybakina should have been a third favorite at least if we had read the cards correctly ..I feel order is being restored, somewhat ..
On what are you basing that opinion? I always have liked Rybakina's game, but she was 18-13 for the year going into Wimbledon and was 1-2 on grass, with her only win against the world No. 227 and one of the losses against No. 114. She was a field player by any objective standard.
by ashkor87 Second round match Leylah versus Samsonova! Bad luck for somebody...but Leylah will not lose to power hitters, however good...
by ashkor87 Second round match Leylah versus Samsonova! Bad luck for somebody...but Leylah will not lose to power hitters, however good...
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ashkor87 jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:38 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 5:04 pm
Rybakina was not a ' field' player for me at W
Rybakina should have been a third favorite at least if we had read the cards correctly ..I feel order is being restored, somewhat ..
On what are you basing that opinion? I always have liked Rybakina's game, but she was 18-13 for the year going into Wimbledon and was 1-2 on grass, with her only win against the world No. 227 and one of the losses against No. 114. She was a field player by any objective standard.
The only standard I apply is my own judgement...I have been calling her a potential major champion for almost a year now
by ti-amie Ashkor is not alone when it comes to Rybakina. Lots of folks on Tennis Twitter felt she was living up to her potential winning at Wimby. It's what she did both before and after that would make anyone hesitate in picking her as anything other than a "field player".
by skatingfan Is the top a two piece? It seems weird to have a collared button shirt, with hole just above the chest.
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meganfernandez Is Alcaraz saying Emma Raducanu? I can't understand him and that's the closest I can get to the illustration.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:24 pm
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JazzNU meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:36 am
Is Alcaraz saying Emma Raducanu? I can't understand him and that's the closest I can get to the illustration.
Yes, he said Emma.
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meganfernandez
I don't think she will win. Wouldn't be the weirdest thing ever to find form and a comfort zone in a place where you've had it recently. But it's a long shot. I think next year and the following will be a lot more interesting for her than this year, as a fan. I want to see what she can do without the expectations and the seismic life changes she's been going through. She'll still get wild cards, and I'd like to see her decline some and play qualifying and lower-level events. Maybe some ITF. Get dirty and learn to win.
by meganfernandez We could have saved ourselves all the impossible and painstaking WTA analysis over the last few weeks... Weird, the Tennis Abstract forecast looks like a joke, even though TA is usually pretty smart.
by ponchi101 Odds for bettors. Those are there to entice people to bet, so the sporadic tennis "fan" that has not seen anything since Wimbledon may believe that Swiatek is really a favorite.
I would put a bet that NONE of those will win. Maybe Samsonova, because she fits my category of OTHER.
by ashkor87 Sakkari versus Maria...poor quality match..neither deserves to win
by ashkor87 Murray playing well .looks thin and fit too
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JazzNU ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:12 pm
Odds for bettors. Those are there to entice people to bet, so the sporadic tennis "fan" that has not seen anything since Wimbledon may believe that Swiatek is really a favorite.
I would put a bet that NONE of those will win. Maybe Samsonova, because she fits my category of OTHER.
Tennis bets more specifically. They are late to making correct odds many times imo, sleep on players on the rise, stay with some too long. Money to be made if you know your tennis.
by patrick Number 2 on WTA betting odds poor USO history continues
by ashkor87 Court looks reasonably fast, maybe a tad slower than last year..people don't realise the main reason Raducanu and Leylah did so well last year, despite not having much power, is because the court did the job for them, and rewarded footwork, reflexes, agility..
Revised probability estimates:
Leylah 25%
Raducanu 15%
Bencic 15%
Osaka 15%
Q Zheng 10%
Rybakina 5%
Samsonova 5%
Andreescu 5%
Coco 5%
Field 0
Men:
Medvedev 40%
Kyrgios 30
Sinner 15
Hurkacsz 10
Alcaraz 5
Field 0
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:53 am
Court looks reasonably fast, maybe a tad slower than last year..people don't realise the main reason Raducanu and Leylah did so well last year, despite not having much power, is because the court did the job for them,
and rewarded footwork, reflexes, agility..
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That would describe Halep's game rather accurately.
Yet, she is gone.
I really don't get your reasoning regarding speed. If the court is fast, the power hitters would be able to end the point with one shot; after all, they have power and the court is fast.
A slow court favors the speedy players. It takes away from the power hitters.
That is how I see it.
by ashkor87 Power hitters don't need help from the court..on a fast court, defense counts for more than offense.. on a slow court, everyone can reach and return balls, then you must have the power to blast the ball past them, or come to the net and volley, as Leylah does.
by ashkor87 good for Coco.. Halep out of her way, only Keys stands between her and a QF.. I dont doubt she will get there now..
by ashkor87 the key matches today :
of course, Raducanu versus Cornet.. I hope and expect Raducanu wins
Fognini versus Karatsev - no idea who will win that one!
Zheng versus Ostapenko - how good is Zheng, really? If she can beat Ostapenko, I will start believng she can win this whole thing ..
Goffin - Musetti - same question for Musetti - how good is he, really?
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:43 am
the key matches today :
of course, Raducanu versus Cornet.. I hope and expect Raducanu wins
Fognini versus Karatsev - no idea who will win that one!
Zheng versus Ostapenko - how good is Zheng, really? If she can beat Ostapenko, I will start believng she can win this whole thing ..
Goffin - Musetti - same question for Musetti - how good is he, really?
I don't think Emma will get over Alize.
If you had claimed your dog chewed balls, I would bet you one such ball Alize wins.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:07 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:43 am
the key matches today :
of course, Raducanu versus Cornet.. I hope and expect Raducanu wins
Fognini versus Karatsev - no idea who will win that one!
Zheng versus Ostapenko - how good is Zheng, really? If she can beat Ostapenko, I will start believng she can win this whole thing ..
Goffin - Musetti - same question for Musetti - how good is he, really?
I don't think Emma will get over Alize.
If you had claimed your dog chewed balls, I would bet you one such ball Alize wins.
True that Cornet is a big-match player..I would say it is 50-50 , I just hope that Raducanu wins, mainly because she is younger, has a longer career ahead of her..
by ti-amie
Must view with the sound on.
"Filthy".
by JazzNU Evening record that was broken, but still
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Deuce ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:17 pm
Must view with the sound on.
"Filthy".
^ And that was only about the 5th most impressive point of that match!
by JazzNU Final match from the looks of it. I was watching. Andrea and Belinda had a very long hug at the net, said some words, hugged some more. It was very nice.
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:43 am
the key matches today :
of course, Raducanu versus Cornet.. I hope and expect Raducanu wins
Fognini versus Karatsev - no idea who will win that one!
Zheng versus Ostapenko - how good is Zheng, really? If she can beat Ostapenko, I will start believng she can win this whole thing ..
Goffin - Musetti - same question for Musetti - how good is he, really?
Not sure any answers came up here, except maybe Zheng is as good as I think she is ..
by ti-amie Even her son side-eyed her.
by ashkor87 Very solid play by Cornet today...lovely drop shots too...
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:20 am
Very solid play by Cornet today...lovely drop shots too...
Yes. We should not forget that. It is not as if Raducanu handed it over. Alize played well.
by skatingfan Raducanu must be set for one of the largest ranking drops for a player that wasn't able to defend a Grand Slam title. Also the largest points drop for any player ever as the first qualifier to win a major title one year followed by a first round loss the next.
by Deuce Down to #85 or so, I read.
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thanks y'all
