by ti-amie DAY 5: FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 2
ARTHUR ASHE STADIUM 12:00 PM
MEN'S SINGLES R3
GBR A. Murray vs ITA M. Berrettini [13]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
USA M. Keys [20] vs USA C. Gauff [12]
7:00 PM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
AUS A. Tomljanovic vs USA S. Williams
MEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
D. Medvedev [1] vs CHN Y. Wu
LOUIS ARMSTRONG STADIUM 11:00 AM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
TUN O. Jabeur [5] vs USA S. Rogers [31]
MEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
USA T. Paul [29] vs NOR C. Ruud [5]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
USA A. Riske-Amritraj [29] vs CHN X. Wang
7:00 PM
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
CAN B. Andreescu vs FRA C. Garcia [17]
MEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
AUS N. Kyrgios [23] vs USA J. Wolf
GRANDSTAND 11:00 AM
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
USA R. Ram [1]/GBR J. Salisbury [1] vs A. Karatsev/AUS L. Saville
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
Not before 12:30 PM
V. Kudermetova [18] vs HUN D. Galfi
MEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
K. Khachanov [27] vs GBR J. Draper
Not before 5:00 PM
ESP P. Carreno Busta [12] vs AUS A. de Minaur [18]
COURT 17 11:00 AM
MEN'S SINGLES R3
COL D. Galan vs ESP A. Davidovich Fokina
MEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
ARG P. Cachin vs FRA C. Moutet
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
Upcoming
L. Samsonova vs SRB A. Krunic
COURT 5 11:00 AM
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
FRA Q. Halys/FRA A. Mannarino vs KAZ A. Bublik/DEN H. Rune
WOMEN'S SINGLES R3
Not before 12:30 PM
CAN R. Marino vs CHN S. Zhang
MIXED DOUBLES R1
Upcoming
CAN L. Fernandez/USA J. Sock vs BEL K. Zimmermann/GER T. Puetz
MIXED DOUBLES R1
Upcoming
USA L. Chirico/USA B. Klahn vs CHN S. Zhang [2]/CRO M. Pavic [2]
COURT 10 12:00 PM
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
GBR L. Glasspool [11]/FIN H. Heliovaara [11] vs RSA R. Klaasen/BRA M. Melo
MIXED DOUBLES R1
Upcoming
AUS S. Stosur/AUS M. Ebden vs SLO A. Klepac/MEX S. Gonzalez
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
NED R. Haase/AUT P. Oswald vs GER K. Krawietz [12]/GER A. Mies [12]
COURT 13 2:00 PM
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
GBR J. Murray [10]/BRA B. Soares [10] vsMON H. Nys/POL J. Zielinski
MIXED DOUBLES R1
Upcoming
AUS S. Sanders [4]/AUS J. Peers [4] vs USA C. Harrison/USA R. Galloway
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
TBD vs ROU A. Bogdan/USA S. Santamaria
COURT 6 1:30 PM
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
HUN A. Bondar/BEL G. Minnen vs UKR L. Kichenok [4] vs LAT J. Ostapenko [4]
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
Not before 2:30 PM
USA H. Baptiste/USA W. Osuigwe vs CAN G. Dabrowski [5]/MEX G. Olmos [5]
MIXED DOUBLES R1
Upcoming
NED D. Schuurs [8]/NED M. Middelkoop [8] vs CZE L. Hradecka/POL L. Kubot
COURT 7 1:30 PM
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
KAZ A. Nedovyesov/PAK A. Qureshi vs ESA M. Arevalo [3]/NED J. Rojer [3]
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
ESP A. Bolsova/NOR U. Eikeri vs KAZ A. Danilina [8]/BRA B. Haddad Maia [8]
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
Not before 4:00 PM
USA N. Monroe/USA K. Smith vs ITA S. Bolelli [15]/ITA F. Fognini [15]
COURT 11 12:00 PM
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
USA K. Christian/L. Marozava vs JPN S. Aoyama [15]/TPE H. Chan [15]
MIXED DOUBLES R1
Not before 2:00 PM
USA D. Krawczyk [1]/GBR N. Skupski [1] vs USA A. Parks/USA C. Eubanks
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA N. Melichar-Martinez [10]/AUS E. Perez [10] vs USA R. Brantmeier/USA C. Ngounoue
COURT 12 11:00 AM
MEN'S DOUBLES R2
URU A. Behar/ECU G. Escobar vs CRO I. Dodig [7]/USA A. Krajicek [7]
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
Not before 1:00 PM
POL A. Rosolska [16]/NZL E. Routliffe [16] vs USA C. McNally/USA T. Townsend
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
CHN Y. Xu [7]/CHN Z. Yang [7] vs SWE R. Peterson/A. Potapova
MIXED DOUBLES R1
Not before 4:00 PM
USA C. McNally USA W. Blumberg vs V. Azarenka/AUS T. Kokkinakis
MIXED DOUBLES ALTERNATE SIGN-IN CLOSES AT 12:30 PM
by Suliso Ons recovered nicely from losing the first set.
by ponchi101 She is not playing that well, but maybe can get some rhythm if she wins a couple of more matches. In the first set, she was overpowered by Shelby.
I still can't figure out Shelby. I know the movement is not superior, but it is also not bad. Yet, she is stuck there in the 30's.
by meganfernandez ADF's passing shot in an endless-deuce game at 3-4 in the fourth might be the shot of the day, especially if he wins in four. A flick on the full stretch, almost in the splits.
by ponchi101 Missed it. Been flipping between that one and Andy/Matteo, and missed that shot.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:24 pm
Missed it. Been flipping between that one and Andy/Matteo, and missed that shot.
ADF wins 5 games in a row in the fourth set to win from 1-4 down. He took a long time to apologize to Galan at the net for a ball into the body that I guess hit Galan. Galan seemed to accept it... just disappointed in losing.
by ponchi101 And something happened during the match that Galan/Foki had some words at the end. Rather tense but I was unable to hear what they were saying.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:28 pm
And something happened during the match that Galan/Foki had some words at the end. Rather tense but I was unable to hear what they were saying.
Our posts overlapped. I explained it in mine. Funny, I thought you're the Spanish-speaker, not me.
Actually, the commentator translated.
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:33 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:28 pm
And something happened during the match that Galan/Foki had some words at the end. Rather tense but I was unable to hear what they were saying.
Our posts overlapped. I explained it in mine. Funny, I thought you're the Spanish-speaker, not me.
Actually, the commentator translated.
IN the meantime, could you PLEASE!!!!!!! keep your filthy mouth away from My Bandwagons?!?! (The ATP results thread comment.)
by ponchi101 They did show the ADF shot as part of their BEST 3 shots of the match. Really impressive, as he was still sliding to get to it.
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nelslus AND, thank GOODNESS Lolita Davidovich came back and didn't make this go to a 5th set. The nerves, I tell you, the nerves.
by meganfernandez Zhang Shuai is into R4, taking over Halep's draw. Zhang beat Marino, who beat Snigur, who beat Halep. Plays the winner of Keys/Gauff. Zhang started the year #63 and will be close to the Top 30. She won the doubles title last year with Stosur and has been bouncing around with a bunch of different partners this year.
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meganfernandez nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:38 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:33 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:28 pm
And something happened during the match that Galan/Foki had some words at the end. Rather tense but I was unable to hear what they were saying.
Our posts overlapped. I explained it in mine. Funny, I thought you're the Spanish-speaker, not me.
Actually, the commentator translated.
IN the meantime, could you PLEASE!!!!!!! keep your filthy mouth away from My Bandwagons?!?! (The ATP results thread comment.)
I'm doing your bandwagons a favor, pushing them through with my karmic reverse psychology. Why are you even on these bandwagons, anyway? You're joining them like there's an open bar on board.
by ponchi101 One modern mystery. How come China and, to a lesser degree, the Czech Republic, can produce all this very good female players, but the Chinese cannot produce a good male player?
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:52 pm
One modern mystery. How come China and, to a lesser degree, the Czech Republic, can produce all this very good female players, but the Chinese cannot produce a good male player?
Maybe they push men toward other sports with a bigger tradition in China.
Boy, not a lot of respect for Jiri Vesely...
Maybe tennis isn't a big sport for the Czech men, either. And the population isn't huge - only 10 million, similar to Portugal, Greece and Sweden, none of which produce many top players these days, other than Tsitsipas (and that's Mouratoglou).
by nelslus BTW, I also thoroughly enjoyed watching Mannarino and Halys take out Bublik and Smirky-Face Rude I mean Rune in a 3rd set tiebreaker. (IT actually was a fun match, and I love watching excellent doubles.)
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:48 pmI'm doing your bandwagons a favor, pushing them through with my karmic reverse psychology. Why are you even on these bandwagons, anyway? You're joining them like there's an open bar on board.
Fair enough, Mistress Suliso. You still make Us Bandwagons quiver.
For today, I totally wanted to avoid the other Nick bandwagon, 'cause I do think he has a legit shot at going far (OR lose to Medvedev, but, still.) And, HEY, I had also flirted with taking Draper. So, there's that.
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ponchi101 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:55 pm
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Maybe they push men toward other sports with a bigger tradition in China.
Boy, not a lot of respect for Jiri Vesely...
Maybe tennis isn't a big sport for the Czech men, either. And the population isn't huge - only 10 million, similar to Portugal, Greece and Sweden, none of which produce many top players these days, other than Tsitsipas (and that's Mouratoglou).
I did say to a lesser degree. The Czecks have produced some very good male players, but nowhere near the amount of very good and downright great females.
And the 10MM population makes it even more difficult to understand. That is the population of BOGOTA. They do know what they are doing.
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meganfernandez nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:57 pm
BTW, I also thoroughly enjoyed watching Mannarino and Halys take out Bublik and Smirky-Face Rude I mean Rune in a 3rd set tiebreaker. (IT actually was a fun match, and I love watching excellent doubles.)
So while I'm doing the work of pushing your 1985 Yugo Bandwagon over the finish line, you're leisurely watching an inconsequential doubles match?
nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:01 pm
For today, I totally wanted to avoid the other Nick bandwagon, 'cause I do think he has a legit shot at going far (OR lose to Medvedev, but, still.) And, HEY, I had also flirted with taking Draper. So, there's that.
I took Draper then broke my rule and changed my pick to Moutet because a French guy I take clinics from said he'd win. I hope you didn't take Moutet, because if you did, I cursed that pick both by cheating and changing.
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Owendonovan nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:01 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:48 pmI'm doing your bandwagons a favor, pushing them through with my karmic reverse psychology. Why are you even on these bandwagons, anyway? You're joining them like there's an open bar on board.
Fair enough, Mistress Suliso. You still make Us Bandwagons quiver.
For today, I totally wanted to avoid the other Nick bandwagon, 'cause I do think he has a legit shot at going far (OR lose to Medvedev, but, still.) And, HEY, I had also flirted with taking Draper. So, there's that.
You, flirt?
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nelslus
Oh, please. I save my reality-flirts for better than the like of Draper. (*ONLY kidding, of course, baby nelslus.)
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:02 pmSo while I'm doing the work of pushing your 1985 Yugo Bandwagon over the finish line, you're leisurely watching an inconsequential doubles match?
I love me some doubles, every day. Currently watching Taylor and Caty. (I flip around matches a lot with ESPN Plus.)
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:02 pm I took Draper then broke my rule and changed my pick to Moutet because a French guy I take clinics from said he'd win. I hope you didn't take Moutet, because if you did, I cursed that pick both by cheating and changing.
OH, cool. Nothing could go wrong with Moutet!!
(....With this match, I'd have gone with your pick.)
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:38 pm
She is not playing that well, but maybe can get some rhythm if she wins a couple of more matches. In the first set, she was overpowered by Shelby.
I still can't figure out Shelby. I know the movement is not superior, but it is also not bad. Yet, she is stuck there in the 30's.
Shelby had a Vekic-esque history of losing many very close matches against higher ranked players. So, she's obviously taken a step up from that at least. But, she ain't likely to go any further. She's got almost all of the right components- very solid serve, big-babe groundstrokes, willingness to come forward. But, for me, she's like a low-rent Keys. (Except, of course, when she's playing Petra.)
Her movement and lack of confidence are always going to keep her back. Never gonna win anything really big.
by nelslus Huh. Sock IS playing mixed (with doubles specialist Leylah- and, apparently, very well so far.) As he had dropped out of the doubles with Tommy Paul, I assumed that he was done with the tournament.
by Deuce Sock's contract with Lululemon probably states that he must play one full match at the U.S. Open in order to honour his contract with them.
Because if you're going to pull out of draws, obviously the Mixed Doubles draw would be first on the list. But if that's the only one remaining, and the sponsorship contract says you've got to play at least one full match to get paid, then...
by Suliso What do we think about Jack Draper? Until very recently he has been flying under the radar. For me at least.
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meganfernandez Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:57 pm
What do we think about Jack Draper? Until very recently he has been flying under the radar. For me at least.
Cute!
Did you mean tennis? Big potential, I've heard. Love that he's another NCAA guy. Haven't seen much, personally. I took FAA early because I thought Draper would be dangerous, and I took Draper today originally but got talked into switching... guess I should actually watch him a bits
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ponchi101 Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:57 pm
What do we think about Jack Draper? Until very recently he has been flying under the radar. For me at least.
He's got a lot of good strokes. Also has size. And, still young. So, he can become part of the new crop. I saw him play only once (I think Cincy) and he can crush the ball.
by ponchi101 Good match from Andy, but he is nowhere near any level to be a realistic challenge for any slams anymore.
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Suliso meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:00 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:57 pm
What do we think about Jack Draper? Until very recently he has been flying under the radar. For me at least.
Cute!
Did you mean tennis? Big potential, I've heard. Love that he's another NCAA guy. Haven't seen much, personally. I took FAA early because I thought Draper would be dangerous, and I took Draper today originally but got talked into switching... guess I should actually watch him a bits
NCAA? He's only 20 and Wikipedia says he's been a pro for few years already. Perhaps you meant someone else.
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dryrunguy This is heartbreaking for Draper.
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meganfernandez Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:13 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:00 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:57 pm
What do we think about Jack Draper? Until very recently he has been flying under the radar. For me at least.
Cute!
Did you mean tennis? Big potential, I've heard. Love that he's another NCAA guy. Haven't seen much, personally. I took FAA early because I thought Draper would be dangerous, and I took Draper today originally but got talked into switching... guess I should actually watch him a bits
NCAA? He's only 20 and Wikipedia says he's been a pro for few years already. Perhaps you meant someone else.
Oops, yep, that's Ben Draper, and he's the cute one.
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ti-amie dryrunguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:32 pm
This is heartbreaking for Draper.
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:04 pm
Good match from Andy, but he is nowhere near any level to be a realistic challenge for any slams anymore.
Sadly, I figured that out from the first match of his latest comeback. He has gone through far too much with these injuries and surgeries. i'm truly impressed with the level of play he has shown.
by ponchi101 Ashkor said that Coco would wipe the court with Maddie's tennis bag. I said it would go three.
Advantage Ashkor. This is going very fast.
by ponchi101 Coco broke Maddie 5 times in 9 games. It was a drubbing.
by JTContinental Keys was abysmal.
by jazzyg Tommy Paul served for the third set against Ruud and was up 40-0 before somehow getting broken and losing it in a tiebreak.
He will regret that one for a long time because after winning a grueling fourth set, he has absolutely nothing left in the fifth, having gone five sets in each of his first two rounds. Ruud stayed the course and blitzed him once his legs were gone, but this one should have been Paul in 4. It's been a good summer for Paul, but it could have been even better.
by meganfernandez Shot of the tournament: match point for PCB vs de Minaur at 6-5 in the fourth set TB
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ponchi101 jazzyg wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:13 pm
Tommy Paul served for the third set against Ruud and was up 40-0 before somehow getting broken and losing it in a tiebreak.
He will regret that one for a long time because after winning a grueling fourth set, he has absolutely nothing left in the fifth, having gone five sets in each of his first two rounds. Ruud stayed the course and blitzed him once his legs were gone, but this one should have been Paul in 4. It's been a good summer for Paul, but it could have been even better.
Argentinean Pedro Cachin, who also went 5 sets in both his first and second round matches, had nothing left for today also.
Galan, who went 9 sets in 1R and 2R, went 4 today and was gassed by the end. This is becoming too brutal a sport.
by Deuce Despite being comfortably ahead in the 2nd set, I say today is when Serena's career ends. She was comfortably ahead in the 1st set, but lost it.
It might go 3 (and if it does, I give the advantage to the younger, more fit Tomljanovic)... but I think this is the end.
Meanwhile, Garcia took the 1st set somewhat convincingly over Andreescu, and is up 3-1 in the 2nd.
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meganfernandez Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:40 am
Despite being comfortably ahead in the 2nd set, I say today is when Serena's career ends. She was comfortably ahead in the 1st set, but lost it.
It might go 3 (and if it does, I give the advantage to the younger, more fit Tomljanovic)... but I think this is the end.
Meanwhile, Garcia took the 1st set somewhat convincingly over Andreescu, and is up 3-1 in the 2nd.
I think it probably goes 3 and we'll see what happens, whether Serena gets tired or whether the crowd and her will come through.
Garcia is looking like a quarterfinalist who could take out Gauff there. Playing very well. Has lost serve a couple times, though.
by meganfernandez with Garcia dominating this match vs. Andreescu, the second week is coming into focus, I think:
Quarters
Swiatek - Pegula
Collins - Martic
Gauff - Garcia
Jabeur - Samsonova
Semis
Swiatek - Collins
Gauff - Samsonova
Final
Swiatek def Gauff
Spoilers: Zheng beating Swiatek, Kvitova beating Pegula, Sabalenka instead of Collins, Garcia instead of Gauff, Serena instead of Samsonova if the magic continues. So maybe a big surprise:
ALT FINAL
Zheng def Garcia, or Samsonova def Collins
by jazzyg Garcia was my pick to win the tournament before it started and nothing has changed.
She is playing better than everyone else, which guarantees nothing. But if she continues to maintain that level (a big if), she should win.
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meganfernandez jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:55 am
Garcia was my pick to win the tournament before it started and nothing has changed.
She is playing better than everyone else, which guarantees nothing. But if she continues to maintain that level (a big if), she should win.
I feel like Gauff is playing well enough to beat her, and has more power. I know, I know, Gauff's double faults.
We may have cursed Garcia. I was already thinking I had posted prematurely. Edit: nvm.
by ponchi101 Stop it. Serena is not going to lose today, nor to Samsonova. Ajla does not have the game, Samsonova will look up into the void over Ashe and will freak out.
by Deuce Ok... Garcia over Andreescu is now done...
The reason that Garcia won, of course, is NOT because she played better tennis than Andreescu, but rather because her clothing was more comfortable to play in than was Andreescu's.
It's nice to see Garcia playing well and clearly very much enjoying tennis.
by meganfernandez Where is the business bun, Serena?
by Deuce Serena has now completely blown that comfortable 2nd set lead - just as she did in the 1st set.
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meganfernandez Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:16 am
Serena has now completely blown that comfortable 2nd set lead - just as she did in the 1st set.
yeah, can you imagine the nerves? She's still in it. Started to blow the TB lead.
Who ya got?
by Deuce At this point, I say the match will be decided by Tomljanovic's psyche. She has the physical advantage at this point - but will negative mentality override that?
Can she overcome the letdown after coming back to even the 2nd set, then having it slip away?
Will the crowd/occasion get to her? (there have been a couple of minor signs that it is getting to her)
Two breaks to open the third... The plot thickens....
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meganfernandez Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:47 am
At this point, I say the match will be decided by Tomljanovic's psyche. She has the physical advantage at this point - but will negative mentality override that?
Can she overcome the letdown after coming back to even the 2nd set, then having it slip away?
Will the crowd/occasion get to her? (there have been a couple of minor signs that it is getting to her)
Two breaks to open the third... The plot thickens....
Same. I think Ajla will win. Serena is looking tired. Not sure she can find one last push.
by jazzyg Tomljanovic has serious game.
She's made the Wimbledon quarterfinals the last two years and lost to the eventual champion, this time taking Rybakina to three sets. And she has two hard court wins over Kudermetova this summer.
A mentally fragile player in the past, she has won a ton of close matches in the last few months.
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meganfernandez jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:52 am
Tomljanovic has serious game.
She's made the Wimbledon quarterfinals the last two years and lost to the eventual champion, this time taking Rybakina to three sets. And she has two hard court wins over Kudermetova this summer.
A mentally fragile player in the past, she has won a ton of close matches in the last few months.
For me - and i haven't see her play a ton - she's become very solid but isn't special. Nice backhand, mentally strong, good athlete, no big weapon or anything remarkable. Not sure she wins matches with her game, but with attrition. Which counts.
Also, this is Serena's longest US Open match ever.
by ponchi101 There is a reason she is 29 and her highest ranking has been 38. She has not one single weapon.
by jazzyg She's playing a heck of a lot better than Kontaveit, and that's indisputable.
Players with zero weapons don't reach the Wimbledon quarters two years in a row. I do think she will lose to Samsonova in the next round if she wins this one, but they went three sets a few weeks ago, so it would not be a certainty.
She does not have elite power, but she hits the ball plenty hard.
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Deuce meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:58 am
Also, this is Serena's longest US Open match ever.
^ Seriously? In 20+ years, and usually going deep?
Wow.
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meganfernandez Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:07 am
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:58 am
Also, this is Serena's longest US Open match ever.
^ Seriously? In 20+ years, and usually going deep?
Wow.
that's what Twitter said. There probably aren't many three-hour best-of-three matches, period. And she often won quickly. Also PMac confirmed it. Also P-Mac confirmed it.
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jazzyg ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:01 am
There is a reason she is 29 and her highest ranking has been 38.
The reason is she could not hold her nerve in the past. She was notorious for blowing matches.
I expect her to reach the top 15 by the end of the year.
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ponchi101 jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:26 am
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The reason is she could not hold her nerve in the past. She was notorious for blowing matches.
I expect her to reach the top 15 by the end of the year.
Hope you are right, and I am wrong.
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jazzyg ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:32 am
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:26 am
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The reason is she could not hold her nerve in the past. She was notorious for blowing matches.
I expect her to reach the top 15 by the end of the year.
Hope you are right, and I am wrong.
My confidence in that statement is waning now that I see she is 45th in the year-long race. Not sure how much a fourth-round U.S. Open result will help her, and of course she got zero points for her Wimbledon quarterfinal.
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Deuce meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:25 am
Deuce wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:07 am
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:58 am
Also, this is Serena's longest US Open match ever.
^ Seriously? In 20+ years, and usually going deep?
Wow.
that's what Twitter said. There probably aren't many three-hour best-of-three matches, period. And she often won quickly. Also PMac confirmed it. Also P-Mac confirmed it.
Hmmm... I've seen plenty of 3 hour + best of three matches live - at all levels.
Still surprising that in all those matches over 20 + years, none have been as long as tonight.
by jazzyg Djokovic and Nadal once played a five-hour three-set match on clay.
There are plenty of three-hour women's matches, but Serena never played many long points at the U.S. Open because of her serve and aggressiveness, and she usually did not play many games because she was winning comfortably. I'm surprised but not shocked by it being her longest match.
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mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:02 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:55 pm
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Maybe they push men toward other sports with a bigger tradition in China.
Boy, not a lot of respect for Jiri Vesely...
Maybe tennis isn't a big sport for the Czech men, either. And the population isn't huge - only 10 million, similar to Portugal, Greece and Sweden, none of which produce many top players these days, other than Tsitsipas (and that's Mouratoglou).
I did say to a lesser degree. The Czecks have produced some very good male players, but nowhere near the amount of very good and downright great females.
And the 10MM population makes it even more difficult to understand. That is the population of BOGOTA. They do know what they are doing.
I think "nowhere near" is a bit harsh. Ivan Lendl, Jan Kodes. Also one can recall certain Jaroslav Drobny.
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meganfernandez jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 2:57 am
There are plenty of three-hour women's matches, but Serena never played many long points at the U.S. Open because of her serve and aggressiveness, and she usually did not play many games because she was winning comfortably. I'm surprised but not shocked by it being her longest match.
2% of WTA tour-level matches go three hours or more
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ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:18 pm
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I did say to a lesser degree. The Czecks have produced some very good male players, but nowhere near the amount of very good and downright great females.
And the 10MM population makes it even more difficult to understand. That is the population of BOGOTA. They do know what they are doing.
I think "nowhere near" is a bit harsh. Ivan Lendl, Jan Kodes. Also one can recall certain Jaroslav Drobny.
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Ok. Maybe a bit harsh. But the Czecks female players is a verifiable star list: Navs, Mandlikova, Sukova, Kvitova, Krejcikova, Novotna and the entire current brigade.
Sure, there have been a good bunch of Czech men that have been very good, but I would say: advantage, Girls. There are always 3-4 Czechs in the mix (which, right now, has no men in it).
by jazzyg Two percent is a lot in my book. That means an average of three at every slam. Not a rare event.
