Hello Dante? What Level Is This?

[ashkor87]

Meanwhile El Nino has delayed the onset of the rains here, hundreds dying fron the heat..I am staying home until after sunset, like the denizens of darkness!

[ponchi101]

High temperatures here in Colombia too. For us in Bogota, it simply means highs in the low 20°C (70°F)

[ponchi101]

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With... pillows?

[ti-amie]

The latest

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Getting ahead of the Coast Guard presser at 3p Eastern.



I wonder what agreements the deceased signed before getting into this death trap.

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Just so you know what the latest RW conspiracy theory is...

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Meanwhile back on Earth 1





Did it simply fall apart as soon as it went past the level at which it was "designed" to operate?

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[ponchi101]

Why is it so difficult to understand the physics? It will IMPLODE first, but then it will rebound because of the force of the implosion.
Think about like an atomic explosion, in reverse. The initial explosion pushes away a huge volume of air, creating a vacuum there. But the vacuum will then fill in (because it can't stay as a vacuum) and a huge volume of air will rush in.
(The mushroom is formed when all the air rushing in pushes out again, and, not being able to go down, goes up).
This thing imploded and the exploded.
That's going to be one very hard, but very interesting, investigation.

[ti-amie]

They've been tiptoeing around that fact Ponchi. They knew what had happened from the minute the submersible lost contact. The tragedy gave a lot of agencies a chance to utilize equipment that was semi-idle most of the time (to my knowledge). They wanted to make sure everyone who needed to know knew while they crafted statements for the public. This thing should never have been making these dives and all the people now posting about how they took the trip and nothing happened to them should be thanking their lucky stars.

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Navy sensors heard implosion of Titan submersible, officials say
By Alex Horton and Dan Lamothe
June 22, 2023 at 7:55 p.m. EDT


The Titan submersible, operated by OceanGate Expeditions, in an undated photo. (OceanGate Expeditions/Reuters)

U.S. Navy acoustic sensors detected the likely implosion of the Titan submersible hours after the vessel began its fatal voyage on Sunday, U.S. Navy officials said on Thursday, a revelation that means the sprawling search for the vessel came as senior officials already had some indication the Titan was destroyed.

Debris from the submersible, operated by the private firm OceanGate, was discovered Thursday on the seabed of the Atlantic Ocean about 1,600 feet from the Titanic, the doomed ocean liner that the Titan’s passengers had set out to explore. Coast Guard Rear Adm. John Mauger said the debris was discovered underwater by a remotely operated vehicle, four days after it set out from Newfoundland.

A senior Navy official said in a statement Thursday evening that the service conducted an analysis of acoustic data “and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion” in the general vicinity of where the Titan was operating when it stopped communicating.

“While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission,” the statement said. “This information was considered with the compilation of additional acoustic data provided by other partners and the decision was made to continue our mission as a search and rescue and make every effort to save the lives on board.”

Another Navy official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation, said that the service does not typically share such information publicly until the search for survivors ends. The information gathered, this official said, is a “data point.”

The story was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

Paul Zukunft, a retired Coast Guard admiral, said that until it’s “absolutely conclusive” that no one has survived a disaster, the service always will continue searching for survivors.

“We’re making every attempt that if there’s a surface recovery; we are there,” he said. “Nothing would be worse in cold water, and now there’s no one on the surface or in the air to locate these folks.”

Zukunft, who led the Coast Guard as commandant from 2014 to 2018, drew a parallel with a search the Coast Guard carried out after the 2015 sinking of the container ship El Faro, which got caught in Hurricane Joaquin while traveling from Florida to Puerto Rico and sunk. Navy acoustic sensors detected an implosion in that sinking, he said, but the U.S. government continued searching for several days in case there were any survivors. Thirty-three people died.

In other cases, Zukunft said, the Coast Guard has launched searches in the Pacific after fishermen in Micronesia do not return home. They have been known to survive weeks lost at sea on small boats, relying on fish they catch and rainwater.

“For one or two people, we will literally spend millions of dollars in attempts to rescue these folks,” he said.

The acoustic detection was one significant piece of information, but the search had to continue to exhaust all possibilities, said Mark Cancian, a senior adviser with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“They suspected what happened but couldn’t be sure,” he said. “What you’re looking at is just lines on a graph. And if you try to convince people you weren’t doing a search because the lines on a graph indicated an implosion, that wouldn’t be acceptable to many.”

The United States has used a network of devices to detect undersea noises for decades. The fact that the Titan’s implosion was detected this way isn’t surprising, Cancian said. “I would be surprised if they hadn’t heard it.”

The U.S. military has recovered vessels and downed aircraft at depths similar to the Titan, but Zukunft doubted that will occur in this case. It would be a “very costly undertaking” to do so, he said, and there was no recorder on the Titan to learn more about the disaster.

“The Titan,” he said, “now has five members interred on the debris field.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... y-sensors/

[Owendonovan]

I can sympathize with the loss to those families. Deep sea diving, like space travel, for fun, gives you no option but a horrible death when something goes wrong for $250,000 or more.

[ponchi101]

Agree. But this company has to be investigated, and the design of this submarine has to be analyzed by a lot of engineers.
If the previous posts about an employee calling out faults and design issues with the submarine are correct, I don't see a way that this does not lead to some criminal charges.

[Owendonovan]

5 Deaths at Sea Gripped the World. Hundreds of Others Got a Shrug.
Many see harsh realities about class and ethnicity in the attention paid to the Titan submersible and the halfhearted attempts to aid a ship before it sank, killing hundreds of migrants. But there are other factors.
Humans can be so gross.

On one vessel, five people died on a very expensive excursion that was supposed to return them to the lives they knew. On the other, perhaps 500 people died just days earlier on a squalid and perilous voyage, fleeing poverty and violence in search of new lives.

After contact was lost with the five inside a submersible descending to the Titanic, multiple countries and private entities sent ships, planes and underwater drones to pursue a faint hope of rescue. That was far more effort than was made on behalf of the hundreds aboard a dangerously overcrowded, disabled fishing trawler off the Greek coast while there were still ample chances for rescue.
And it was the lost submersible, the Titan, that drew enormous attention from news organizations worldwide and their audiences, far more than the boat that sank in the Mediterranean and the Greek Coast Guard’s failure to help before it capsized.

The submersible accident, at the site of a shipwreck that has fascinated the public for more than a century, would have captivated people no matter what. But it occurred right after the tragedy in the Mediterranean, and the contrast between the two disasters, and how they were handled, has fueled a discussion around the world in which some see harsh realities about class and ethnicity.

Some see? Some? Who exactly doesn't?

Aboard the Titan were three wealthy businessmen — a white American, a white Briton and a Pakistani-British magnate — along with the billionaire’s 19-year-old son and a white French deep-sea explorer. Those on the fishing boat — as many as 750, officials have estimated, with barely 100 survivors — were migrants primarily from South Asia and the Middle East, trying to reach Europe.
“We saw how some lives are valued and some are not,” Judith Sunderland, acting deputy director for Europe at the group Human Rights Watch, said in an interview. And in looking at the treatment of migrants, she added, “We cannot avoid talking about racism and xenophobia.”
At a forum in Athens on Thursday, former President Barack Obama weighed in, saying of the submersible, “the fact that that’s gotten so much more attention than 700 people who sank, that’s an untenable situation.”
Status and race no doubt play a role in how the world responds to disasters, but there are other factors as well.
Other stories have been followed in minute detail by millions of people, even when those involved were neither wealthy nor white, like the boys trapped deep in a flooded cave in Thailand in 2018. Their plight, like that of the submersible passengers, was one-of-a-kind and brought days of suspense, while few people knew of the migrants until they had died.
And in study after study, people show more compassion for the individual victim who can be seen in vivid detail than for a seemingly faceless mass of people.
But the disparity in apparent concern shown for the migrants versus the submersible passengers prompted an unusually caustic backlash in online essays, social media posts and article comments.
Laleh Khalili, a professor who has taught about international politics and the Middle East at multiple British universities, wrote on Twitter that she felt sorry for the 19-year-old, but that “a libertarian billionaire ethos of ‘we are above all laws, including physics’ took the Titan down. And the unequal treatment of this and the migrant boat catastrophe is unspeakable.”
Many commenters said they could not muster concern — some even expressed a grim satisfaction — about the fates of people on the submersible who could afford to pay $250,000 apiece for a thrill. Before the U.S. Coast Guard said on Thursday that the vessel had imploded and the five were dead, jokes and the phrase “eat the rich” proliferated online.
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That schadenfreude partly reflects the rising anger in recent years at economic inequality, at the wealthy themselves and at the growing sense that the economy works only for those at the top, said Jessica Gall Myrick, a communications professor at Pennsylvania State University, whose specialty is the psychology of how people use media.
“One of the functions of humor is it helps us bond with people socially, so people who laugh at your joke are on your team and those who don’t aren’t on your team,” she said in an interview. Expressions of anger, she said, can serve the same purpose.

For human rights advocates, their anger is directed not at the rich but at European governments whose attitudes toward migrants have hardened, not only doing little to help those in trouble at sea but actively turning them away, and even treating as criminals private citizens who try to rescue migrants.
“I understand why the submersible captured attention: It’s exciting, unprecedented, obviously connected to the most famous shipwreck in history,” said Ms. Sunderland, of Human Rights Watch. “I don’t think it was wrong to make every effort to save them. What I would like is to see no effort spared to save the Black and brown people drowning in the Mediterranean. Instead, European states are doing everything they can to avoid rescue.”

The chasm between the two tragedies was particularly noted in Pakistan, home to many of those who died on the fishing trawler, and to Shahzada Dawood, the tycoon aboard the Titan. It highlighted Pakistan’s extreme divide between the millions who live in poverty and the ultrarich, and the failure of multiple governments over many years to address unemployment, inflation and other economic woes.
“How can we complain about the Greek government? Our own government in Pakistan did not stop the agents from playing with the lives of our youth by luring them to travel on such dangerous routes,” said Muhammad Ayub, a farmer in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, whose younger brother was on the fishing vessel that capsized and is believed to have died.
One factor that made the two maritime disasters very different is the degree of familiarity — though that in no way explains the lack of effort to aid the migrants before their boat sank. It is not just that some people are indifferent to the suffering of migrants — it is also that migrant drownings in the Mediterranean have become tragically frequent.
The rescues of a few people in Turkey who had survived more than a week under the rubble of a powerful earthquake in February — unusual victories amid an unusual disaster — drew the kind of global attention rarely given to the millions of refugees from Syria’s civil war who, for a decade, have lived not far away.

In 2013, the deaths of more than 300 migrants in another boat disaster off the Italian island of Lampedusa produced an outpouring of concern and increased rescue patrols. When Syrian asylum seekers began trying to reach Europe in enormous numbers in 2015, some governments and people portrayed them as alien, undesirable, even dangerous, but there was also considerable interest and empathy. The wrenching image of a drowned 3-year-old washed up on a beach had an especially profound effect.

Years and countless migrant boat calamities later, the deaths are no less appalling but attract far less attention. Aid workers call it “compassion fatigue.” The political will to help, always spotty and precarious, has waned with it.
“No one cared about the several hundred people” who drowned in the Mediterranean, said Arshad Khan, a student of political science at the University of Karachi. “But,” he added, “the United States, the United Kingdom and all the global powers are busy finding the billionaire businessman who spent billions of rupees to view the wreckage of the Titanic in the sea.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/worl ... -boat.html