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He is radioactive, for sure. First, he, and now Prescott, are walking proofs that this "guaranteed" salary idea is insane. No "real schmoe" goes to work with a guaranteed salary.
And his personal life is far from exemplary. But, he remains free and you know my opinion: I don't want the leagues to be disciplinary boards. That is what the law is there for.
So, yes, the Browns' fans are in a bind. It is good that he might be gone of the team now. But as I said above, not because of an injury. The coach should have sat him down a while back.
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Score last night as one the cases where maybe should go with the analytics. Down 7, Tampa get a touchdown with 30 seconds left. They decide to just kick the extra point and go to overtime. Lose the coin toss, never touch the ball again.
Had they gone for two and missed, lots of people would have been upset and said it was the wrong choice. But definitely looks like it would be the decision to go with - give yourself the chance to win or lose instead of hoping to win a coin toss.
The thing I found really weird was even Troy Aikman (who seems to be super conservative normally and anti anything analytics) even was suggesting that Tampa go for two. Although his main argument seemed to be that it was because Tampa was the road team. Going for two likely the better choice regardless of if you are home or not!
Had they gone for two and missed, lots of people would have been upset and said it was the wrong choice. But definitely looks like it would be the decision to go with - give yourself the chance to win or lose instead of hoping to win a coin toss.
The thing I found really weird was even Troy Aikman (who seems to be super conservative normally and anti anything analytics) even was suggesting that Tampa go for two. Although his main argument seemed to be that it was because Tampa was the road team. Going for two likely the better choice regardless of if you are home or not!
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What is TB's conversion rate of 2 points? What is KC's allowance of such 2 points?
They go for two points and miss, and idiots like me say "Why? Give yourself a chance in OT". Go for 2 and make it and everybody says the coach is a genius.
And that would have still given Mahones 30 seconds to do something.
I think that it is better to tie the game and have that OT. But I have always said that the rules of the NFL are wrong. You don't play a sudden death OT. You play the 10 minutes. TD or not, the second team has to get a chance to play too.
They go for two points and miss, and idiots like me say "Why? Give yourself a chance in OT". Go for 2 and make it and everybody says the coach is a genius.
And that would have still given Mahones 30 seconds to do something.
I think that it is better to tie the game and have that OT. But I have always said that the rules of the NFL are wrong. You don't play a sudden death OT. You play the 10 minutes. TD or not, the second team has to get a chance to play too.
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I agree with half the statement. if they go for it and miss people say the coach is an idiot. They make it and people just say "well of course they went for it, that was the right play." Coaches usually can only do wrong 
Of course in this case they are calling the coach an idiot for not going. Coaches can't win!
KC having 30 seconds left was definitely a misplay by TB actually. They called timeout with 30 seconds left instead of running down the clock a bit more. Definitely a panic timeout call I suspect. And despite it being tied KC still played that last 30 seconds hard anyway going for the win. So rightfully didn't stop KC from trying just because it was a tie.
We can't really look at the 2 point conversion rates for these specific teams this year. Sample size is just not big enough for it to be relevant. I believe Tampa have gone for 2 only three times for example. The best I can tell from research is that overall it's probably about a 55% chance to convert, so we pretty much should just consider it 50/50.
The overtime rules being what they are is why I more strongly favor going for it there. If overtime was a "both teams have the ball" situation then going for 1 makes more sense if you know you will get a chance.
Of course in this case they are calling the coach an idiot for not going. Coaches can't win!KC having 30 seconds left was definitely a misplay by TB actually. They called timeout with 30 seconds left instead of running down the clock a bit more. Definitely a panic timeout call I suspect. And despite it being tied KC still played that last 30 seconds hard anyway going for the win. So rightfully didn't stop KC from trying just because it was a tie.
We can't really look at the 2 point conversion rates for these specific teams this year. Sample size is just not big enough for it to be relevant. I believe Tampa have gone for 2 only three times for example. The best I can tell from research is that overall it's probably about a 55% chance to convert, so we pretty much should just consider it 50/50.
The overtime rules being what they are is why I more strongly favor going for it there. If overtime was a "both teams have the ball" situation then going for 1 makes more sense if you know you will get a chance.
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Finally for once I can discuss a successful "let's go for 2" and win it! Indy scores to make it 24-23 with 12 seconds left... go for two and get it. Win game, no need for overtime.
That said, I still hate how the announcers ALWAYS refer to it being the right decision just because it's the road team. In this case it was after a ridiculously long drive (19 plays I think?) with a very tired defense so was clearly the correct play whether or not you're home. It's not like being at home means you're less likely to convert for two. Or more likely to win a coin flip!
That said, I still hate how the announcers ALWAYS refer to it being the right decision just because it's the road team. In this case it was after a ridiculously long drive (19 plays I think?) with a very tired defense so was clearly the correct play whether or not you're home. It's not like being at home means you're less likely to convert for two. Or more likely to win a coin flip!
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Caused me to look up some stats which got me onto an article discussing whether to "go for 2 if scoring a touchdown after being down 7 in the fourth quarter."
Some nerdsy stuff
From 2000-11/6/24 - the team who went for an extra point only won 43.2% of games. Went for 2? Won 40%
But that led to more fun stuff
2010 - 11/6/24 - two point conversions converted 48.7% of time.
2023 - 55.1%
2024 to that point was 32.4%.
That's a huge difference!
55% means only 20% of the time would you miss 2 in a row.
32% means you'd miss 2 conversions in a row almost 46% of the time.
Some nerdsy stuff
From 2000-11/6/24 - the team who went for an extra point only won 43.2% of games. Went for 2? Won 40%
But that led to more fun stuff
2010 - 11/6/24 - two point conversions converted 48.7% of time.
2023 - 55.1%
2024 to that point was 32.4%.
That's a huge difference!
55% means only 20% of the time would you miss 2 in a row.
32% means you'd miss 2 conversions in a row almost 46% of the time.
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