WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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skatingfan wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:00 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:59 am that was a really impressive win by Samsonova.. I wouldnt have expected her to do well on a fast court, as her return of serve is not great.. bu I guess Mertens doesnt have the firepower to make her pay..
Pegula is probably the best player left in the draw now?
Not Sabalenka?
.....Apparently not. :gorgeous:
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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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The explanation is simple..YouTube highlights are created by AI, who is programmed to highlight points where audience was loudest..naturally, the crowd must have supported Coco the most.
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Sunday August 11 Order of Play

Centre Court

Starts at 1:00 PM

Semifinal
USA E. NAVARRO (8) vs USA A. ANISIMOVA
Followed By
Semifinal
USA C. DOLEHIDE/USA D. KRAWCZYK (3) vs USA S. KENIN/USA B. MATTEK-SANDS (7)
Followed By
Semifinal
TBD vs TBD
Followed By
Semifinal
TBD vs CAN B. FERNANDEZ/CAN L. FERNANDEZ
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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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About Coco. She simply could not keep the ball on court. He FH was truly awful.
Those matches happen. This was an outlier, and she can be back to top level soon.
Having said that: that extreme FH grip is one I would never recommend. It breaks down so easily once she gets stretched.
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Monday August 12 Order of Play

Centre Court

Starts at 6:00 PM

Final
USA J. PEGULA (3) vs USA A. ANISIMOVA
Followed By
Final
CAN G. DABROWSKI/NZL E. ROUTLIFFE vs USA C. DOLEHIDE/USA D. KRAWCZYK (3)
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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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Re Coco.. I saw the same 5 minute video so cant be really sure but it seems to me the problem with Coco's forehand is something more subtle than UFEs.. it is that sometimes, when she gets too close to the ball, she ends up popping it up short into the middle of the court, thereby setting up a nice finis for her opponent.. the metric we should get (admittedly difficult) is not winners or UFEs but - number of times Coco's forehand is met with a winner by her opponent.
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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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Plus. This is something that anybody can try at home. Take your racquet, and grip it like Coco. Now, extend the arm as if you are preparing for a running FH. You can see that if you get stretched, you can't bring the ball back into the court easily and, if you do, you can only hit it down the line or down the middle. Very hard to go crosscourt.
She ends up in a defensive position with herself having to stop and come back to the court, while the opponent has the full cross court BH ready.
It puts her at a disadvantage.
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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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ashkor87 wrote:Re Coco.. I saw the same 5 minute video so cant be really sure but it seems to me the problem with Coco's forehand is something more subtle than UFEs.. it is that sometimes, when she gets too close to the ball, she ends up popping it up short into the middle of the court, thereby setting up a nice finis for her opponent.. the metric we should get (admittedly difficult) is not winners or UFEs but - number of times Coco's forehand is met with a winner by her opponent.
Yeah this data would be great. Like a winner for forced-error set up. Maybe the category is “weak shot” - a neutral ball that you played poorly and let your opponent take control.


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I say that exaggerated grips are troublesome, most of the times (I know Rafa's FH never was an issue, but he is an exception).
Last Friday I was watching my trainer give a lesson. The person had a 1H BH, but his grip is a very weak eastern that borders on a continental. A very weak slice and certainly he can't hit with topspin. So I asked my trainer why he had not corrected that and moved him to a more western BH grip. He sighed and said "been trying, and the person says it feels uncomfortable".
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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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I am so that person. Never hit with anything but continental grip before knee problems ended my tennis playing days prematurely. Cannot fathom how I could have ever gotten comfortable with Western grip.
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Re: WTA 1000 Rogers Cup Toronto 8/6 - 8/12 2024

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meganfernandez wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 5:35 pm
ashkor87 wrote:Re Coco.. I saw the same 5 minute video so cant be really sure but it seems to me the problem with Coco's forehand is something more subtle than UFEs.. it is that sometimes, when she gets too close to the ball, she ends up popping it up short into the middle of the court, thereby setting up a nice finis for her opponent.. the metric we should get (admittedly difficult) is not winners or UFEs but - number of times Coco's forehand is met with a winner by her opponent.
Yeah this data would be great. Like a winner for forced-error set up. Maybe the category is “weak shot” - a neutral ball that you played poorly and let your opponent take control.


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