'24 US Open Day 10 Ordr of Play & Discussion

[jazzyg]

Indian Wells is an incredibly slow hard court. I'll give you Qatar.

Her form has regressed as the year went along, as indicated by her Olympics loss on her favorite court. Pair that with her tepid loss last year here to nemesis Ostapenko, who then barely won games against Gauff in her next match, and her disappointing loss to Noskova in Melbourne, and you could see this coming.

[ashkor87]

She is in terrific form. I have watched two of her matches and the FH down the line is simply impossible to reach.

About the men:
I am going to get really cocky this time. SF'ist at the USO: Tiafoe, Fritz and Draper. As I said a while back. As soon as the big three would go away, the ATP would be as open as the WTA. This line up points that way.

Cannot disagree more.. Sinner will dominate on fast courts, Alcaraz on slow.. maybe there is not a third but these two will win 70% of the big titles.

[ashkor87]

Indian Wells is an incredibly slow hard court. I'll give you Qatar.

Her form has regressed as the year went along, as indicated by her Olympics loss on her favorite court. Pair that with her tepid loss last year here to nemesis Ostapenko, who then barely won games against Gauff in her next match, and her disappointing loss to Noskova in Melbourne, and you could see this coming.

Yes, she is clearly beatable on hard courts, especially fast ones but still, she did win two 1000 level titles, only Sabalenka has done better. Whom are you comparing her with? If herself, yes, you have a point.

[jazzyg]

I am comparing her with Pegula first since that is who beat her comfortably.

Pegula's 9-1 record in the lead-up events put her in much better form than Swiatek. Any of the semifinalists would beat Swiatek in my opinion, and I expressed that thought about Muchova before Swiatek's quarterfinal loss.

[ponchi101]

She is in terrific form. I have watched two of her matches and the FH down the line is simply impossible to reach.

About the men:
I am going to get really cocky this time. SF'ist at the USO: Tiafoe, Fritz and Draper. As I said a while back. As soon as the big three would go away, the ATP would be as open as the WTA. This line up points that way.

Cannot disagree more.. Sinner will dominate on fast courts, Alcaraz on slow.. maybe there is not a third but these two will win 70% of the big titles.

Well, you always talk about fast and slow courts because that is your metric. But why would Alcaraz dominate on slow courts? Three of his 4 slam wins are on your fast courts (USO and W), and although he did win RG, his clay court season was not great.
And, by open, I mean that more players will have a chance of doing really well at Slams. Tiafoe said a couple of days ago: when you saw you were scheduled to play Roger in R4, you started making travel plans. That will not happen with Sinner and Alcaraz.
They will be great, indeed. But it will not be the same dominance that R/R/N imposed on the tour.

[ponchi101]

Indian Wells is an incredibly slow hard court. I'll give you Qatar.

Her form has regressed as the year went along, as indicated by her Olympics loss on her favorite court. Pair that with her tepid loss last year here to nemesis Ostapenko, who then barely won games against Gauff in her next match, and her disappointing loss to Noskova in Melbourne, and you could see this coming.

Yes, she is clearly beatable on hard courts, especially fast ones but still, she did win two 1000 level titles, only Sabalenka has done better. Whom are you comparing her with? If herself, yes, you have a point.

I am going to put you on here
You said that in order for you to be a top player, you have to go through Pegula (or somebody like Pegula). Iga could not, and it wasn't even close.
So, how do you re-evaluate Iga? I will still say she is above everybody on clay (her Olympics was the outlier there). But, once off clay, she is at the same level as a small group: Aryna, Elena (when healthy) and indeed, Pegula. She can be beat by Ostapenko and the likes, and when she enters a non-clay tournament, she is as vulnerable as any.

[ti-amie]

[ashkor87]

Indian Wells is an incredibly slow hard court. I'll give you Qatar.

Her form has regressed as the year went along, as indicated by her Olympics loss on her favorite court. Pair that with her tepid loss last year here to nemesis Ostapenko, who then barely won games against Gauff in her next match, and her disappointing loss to Noskova in Melbourne, and you could see this coming.

Yes, she is clearly beatable on hard courts, especially fast ones but still, she did win two 1000 level titles, only Sabalenka has done better. Whom are you comparing her with? If herself, yes, you have a point.

I am going to put you on here
You said that in order for you to be a top player, you have to go through Pegula (or somebody like Pegula). Iga could not, and it wasn't even close.
So, how do you re-evaluate Iga? I will still say she is above everybody on clay (her Olympics was the outlier there). But, once off clay, she is at the same level as a small group: Aryna, Elena (when healthy) and indeed, Pegula. She can be beat by Ostapenko and the likes, and when she enters a non-clay tournament, she is as vulnerable as any.

Olympics is the culprit..those who did well there have nothing left at the USO. I would defer judgement

[ashkor87]

Indian Wells is an incredibly slow hard court. I'll give you Qatar.

Her form has regressed as the year went along, as indicated by her Olympics loss on her favorite court. Pair that with her tepid loss last year here to nemesis Ostapenko, who then barely won games against Gauff in her next match, and her disappointing loss to Noskova in Melbourne, and you could see this coming.

Yes, she is clearly beatable on hard courts, especially fast ones but still, she did win two 1000 level titles, only Sabalenka has done better. Whom are you comparing her with? If herself, yes, you have a point.

I am going to put you on here
You said that in order for you to be a top player, you have to go through Pegula (or somebody like Pegula). Iga could not, and it wasn't even close.
So, how do you re-evaluate Iga? I will still say she is above everybody on clay (her Olympics was the outlier there). But, once off clay, she is at the same level as a small group: Aryna, Elena (when healthy) and indeed, Pegula. She can be beat by Ostapenko and the likes, and when she enters a non-clay tournament, she is as vulnerable as any.

Olympics is the culprit..those who did well there have nothing left at the USO. I would defer judgement

[ponchi101]

Ok. If you are going to say this loss is to be traced back to a 5 matches she played over 6 weeks ago, I guess we are on different wavelengths.

[skatingfan]

Ok. If you are going to say this loss is to be traced back to a 5 matches she played over 6 weeks ago, I guess we are on different wavelengths.

It also ignores that Swiatek has been playing like this off of clay since last summer.