Translation
It ends with:
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The Constitution of the USA is a historic document. It set down incredibly high standards for the era, and it brought forward the idea that republics were to be governed by written law, not the whims of the rulers.
It is and was an important document.
It is also very poorly written. It was written over 250 years ago by the brilliant men of that time, but that time has passed. Like all historical documents that are still applied, it would need a good revision. For example, the Constitution does not say a single word about the environment, the rights of non-human species, or further elaborates on religions and cults. In many ways, it is outdated.
But this is precisely the wrong time in history to try to edit it. So, you have to live with the idea that the constitution allows people to own weaponry that was inconceivable at the time of its writing.
Which is lunacy.
Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
-
ponchi101
- Site Admin
- Posts: 16529
- Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:40 pm
- Location: New Macondo
- Has thanked: 4189 times
- Been thanked: 6523 times
- Contact:
-
ponchi101
- Site Admin
- Posts: 16529
- Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:40 pm
- Location: New Macondo
- Has thanked: 4189 times
- Been thanked: 6523 times
- Contact:
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
This is indeed a horrific case. And the husband and friends shall be given life sentences. It is that simple.Owendonovan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:53 am Imagine being told this, having no idea it happened. I can't imagine.
...
“So when other women, if they wake up with no memory, they might remember the testimony of Ms. Pelicot,” she said in a calm, controlled voice. “No woman should suffer from being drugged and victimized.”
She added, “We must address this scourge.”
...
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/worl ... imony.html
And please, understand that I am truly asking. Have there been any other cases such as this? It seems to me that by saying scourge, this woman is implying that this happens regularly.
Ego figere omnia et scio supellectilem
-
ashkor87
- Posts: 5871
- Joined: Wed May 26, 2021 6:18 am
- Location: India
- Has thanked: 3107 times
- Been thanked: 1015 times
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
You can't take one phrase without the one before it.ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 3:04 pm It ends with:
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The Constitution of the USA is a historic document. It set down incredibly high standards for the era, and it brought forward the idea that republics were to be governed by written law, not the whims of the rulers.
It is and was an important document.
It is also very poorly written. It was written over 250 years ago by the brilliant men of that time, but that time has passed. Like all historical documents that are still applied, it would need a good revision. For example, the Constitution does not say a single word about the environment, the rights of non-human species, or further elaborates on religions and cults. In many ways, it is outdated.
But this is precisely the wrong time in history to try to edit it. So, you have to live with the idea that the constitution allows people to own weaponry that was inconceivable at the time of its writing.
Which is lunacy.
-
ti-amie
- Posts: 26710
- Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:44 pm
- Location: The Boogie Down, NY
- Has thanked: 5938 times
- Been thanked: 3889 times
-
Honorary_medal
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
This is one of the most horrific stories I have ever heard. I think that she is one of the most courageous women on the planet, someone truly deserving of our sincere thoughts and prayers.
There is a similar case in South Korea, and there are reports of Telegram rooms or whatever they're called dedicated to men doing this to their wives and daughters.
There is a similar case in South Korea, and there are reports of Telegram rooms or whatever they're called dedicated to men doing this to their wives and daughters.
“Do not grow old, no matter how long you live. Never cease to stand like curious children before the Great Mystery into which we were born.” Albert Einstein
-
ti-amie
- Posts: 26710
- Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:44 pm
- Location: The Boogie Down, NY
- Has thanked: 5938 times
- Been thanked: 3889 times
-
Honorary_medal
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
2 Virginia Guardsmen Are Running a Rural Anti-Government
Military.com | By Steve Beynon
Published September 05, 2024 at 2:14pm ET
Two Virginians run a local county-approved militia, one that has made overt threats against the government. They also both happen to be top-performing noncommissioned officers in the Virginia Army National Guard, serving the very government one of them has repeatedly warned is drifting toward tyranny.
It's a seemingly contradictory set of roles that likely runs afoul of new Army rules that explicitly prohibit anti-government behavior -- for soldiers both on active duty and in the Guard.
Staff Sgts. Daniel Abbott and Alexandra Griffeth jointly run the Campbell County Militia, which operates in the rural surroundings of Lynchburg, Virginia, with Abbott serving as the militia's commander and having ties to other similar groups in the region.
The militia, which appears to be mostly white based on photos posted to its public-facing social media, was formed roughly five years ago, following a rise in other similar groups in Virginia after a Democratic wave of victories in the state and gun control fights.
In 2020, Campbell County's board of supervisors officially recognized Abbott's militia in a six to one vote to serve "as a barrier against a tyrannical government."
Military.com reviewed several hours of recordings of meetings of the Campbell County Militia published on social media sites, most of which featured Abbott as a key speaker either at militia training or at public events to recruit for the group. The publication found a pattern of Abbott issuing overt threats against the federal government and making it clear that his militia's mission is to potentially wage war.
"Our own government is the greatest threat to our safety and security," Abbott said at one event earlier this year. "Power is akin to force. I would argue there are only two [forces] man has direct access to. One of those is violence … [and] the threat of violence."
Abbott and Griffeth declined multiple interview requests for this story.
By being part of the National Guard, the pair likely have relatively easy access to vehicles, weapons, ammunition and other military resources.
"There is no easier way to sabotage the U.S. than having access to equipment," Kris Goldsmith, an Iraq war veteran who runs Task Force Butler, a nonprofit that researches and tracks extremism online, told Military.com.
Virginia National Guard spokesman A.A. Puryear declined to comment on whether there is an active investigation into the two soldiers, but said that "the Virginia National Guard will investigate any reports of service members being involved in extremist activity and take appropriate action based on the results of the investigation."
In June, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth issued a new policy clarifying that soldiers are forbidden from participating in radical causes, including anti-government activity. The new rule set came after a congressional mandate and careful consideration by Army staff looking to codify that extremism within the ranks is forbidden and -- more importantly -- defining what that means.
Specifically, the new set of rules explicitly states that threats of violence against the government are prohibited, saying that any actions that include "advocating, engaging in, or supporting the overthrow of the government … by force or violence, or seeking to alter the forms [of government] by unconstitutional or other unlawful means, such as sedition" are not permitted.
"Active participation in extremist activities can be prohibited even in some circumstances in which such activities would be constitutionally protected in a civilian setting," Wormuth penned in a memo at the time of the policy's release. "Extremism calls into question a soldier's ability to follow orders from, or effectively lead and serve with, persons of diverse backgrounds, and it prevents maximum utilization and development of the Army's most valuable asset -- its people."
The National Guard should have been aware of Abbott's role with the militia, and its message. Since at least 2020, he has been mentioned in or interviewed by at least half a dozen media outlets, ranging from local radio to The New York Times -- though it doesn't appear his status as a Guardsman was previously reported. In the interview with that paper, Abbott insisted his militia is not an extremist organization, but said the purpose is to prevent governments from "being able to impose their will on people who didn't want their will."
The New York Times' reporting at the time said the spike in the militia movement in Virginia largely centered around historically red regions in the country becoming more diverse, but was also fueled by racial grievances and shifting power structures. "Not everyone saw this fight as just about gun policy. It was also about power," the paper reported.
Abbott holds both infantry and horizontal construction engineer job qualifications, according to his service record.
Griffeth serves as a battalion-level administrator in the state; she is also a combat engineer and infantryman. It's common in the National Guard for soldiers to hold multiple specialties. She is also one of the state's best shooters, competing and winning at least one marksmanship competition last year.
In the militia, Griffeth has a leadership role in its tactical training, including rifle marksmanship. She also appears with Abbott at recruiting events, making direct appeals to listeners to become part of their organization.
"There is a place for women, children [and] teens," she said to a group of potential recruits, according to a recording reviewed by Military.com.
At the heart of the Campbell County Militia is a sustained public relations campaign. Its social media accounts mostly post photos of the group doing community service, such as picking up litter or volunteering at a food pantry. Extremist groups often partake in charity causes or public service that is divorced from their prime objective.
The Ku Klux Klan, for example, has a long track record of charity work and public service to build relationships with local municipalities and fuel positive public relations campaigns. In the early 1920s, the Klan's Madison, Wisconsin, chapter served as a formal reaction force for local officials to respond to natural disasters and helped law enforcement combat bootleggers during Prohibition.
"These are [public relations] stunts to whitewash, to earn the goodwill from local officials and garner good press," Goldsmith said. "This is also a recruiting tactic."
Abbott has been clear, nonetheless, about the purpose of the militia.
"This is a military organization; this is force of arms," he said in a meeting recorded earlier this year.
The organization's social media presence also features a steady diet of anti-immigrant rhetoric and suggestions of impending violence.
"Biden keeps letting them in, policy cannot keep you safe," one social media post from the militia's Facebook account said earlier this year. "Time to get trained up for the time is coming."
Abbott is among the highest-profile Guardsmen in his state; in 2023, he was named as the Virginia National Guard's noncommissioned officer of the year. He also competed in the Guard's Best Warrior Competition that year in Alaska against other top performers across the service component. During that competition, he wore his militia's patch, which is seemingly inspired by the Army infantry's cross rifle insignia. The militia's logo is also heavily inspired by the 75th Ranger Regiment scroll.
Virginia has seen a rise in militia activity and other far-right groups since just before the pandemic. That follows a decade of the state population becoming more diverse. In 2010, 70% of Virginians identified as white, according to that year's census. In 2020, just 60% identified as white.
The Virginia National Guard, currently commanded by Maj. Gen. James Ring, has a record of slow-rolling booting out soldiers tied to anti-government violence or rhetoric.
Jacob Fracker, who was the first service member charged after being a part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was not removed from the Virginia Guard until more than a year after he was initially arrested and publicly admitted to taking part in the riot, posting images of himself in the Capitol. Fracker, a corporal at the time, was an infantryman assigned to the 116th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 29th Infantry Division.
Editor's note: This story has been updated to correct the name of the Virginia National Guard's commander and the spelling of Griffeth's name.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... litia.html
Military.com | By Steve Beynon
Published September 05, 2024 at 2:14pm ET
Two Virginians run a local county-approved militia, one that has made overt threats against the government. They also both happen to be top-performing noncommissioned officers in the Virginia Army National Guard, serving the very government one of them has repeatedly warned is drifting toward tyranny.
It's a seemingly contradictory set of roles that likely runs afoul of new Army rules that explicitly prohibit anti-government behavior -- for soldiers both on active duty and in the Guard.
Staff Sgts. Daniel Abbott and Alexandra Griffeth jointly run the Campbell County Militia, which operates in the rural surroundings of Lynchburg, Virginia, with Abbott serving as the militia's commander and having ties to other similar groups in the region.
The militia, which appears to be mostly white based on photos posted to its public-facing social media, was formed roughly five years ago, following a rise in other similar groups in Virginia after a Democratic wave of victories in the state and gun control fights.
In 2020, Campbell County's board of supervisors officially recognized Abbott's militia in a six to one vote to serve "as a barrier against a tyrannical government."
Military.com reviewed several hours of recordings of meetings of the Campbell County Militia published on social media sites, most of which featured Abbott as a key speaker either at militia training or at public events to recruit for the group. The publication found a pattern of Abbott issuing overt threats against the federal government and making it clear that his militia's mission is to potentially wage war.
"Our own government is the greatest threat to our safety and security," Abbott said at one event earlier this year. "Power is akin to force. I would argue there are only two [forces] man has direct access to. One of those is violence … [and] the threat of violence."
Abbott and Griffeth declined multiple interview requests for this story.
By being part of the National Guard, the pair likely have relatively easy access to vehicles, weapons, ammunition and other military resources.
"There is no easier way to sabotage the U.S. than having access to equipment," Kris Goldsmith, an Iraq war veteran who runs Task Force Butler, a nonprofit that researches and tracks extremism online, told Military.com.
Virginia National Guard spokesman A.A. Puryear declined to comment on whether there is an active investigation into the two soldiers, but said that "the Virginia National Guard will investigate any reports of service members being involved in extremist activity and take appropriate action based on the results of the investigation."
In June, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth issued a new policy clarifying that soldiers are forbidden from participating in radical causes, including anti-government activity. The new rule set came after a congressional mandate and careful consideration by Army staff looking to codify that extremism within the ranks is forbidden and -- more importantly -- defining what that means.
Specifically, the new set of rules explicitly states that threats of violence against the government are prohibited, saying that any actions that include "advocating, engaging in, or supporting the overthrow of the government … by force or violence, or seeking to alter the forms [of government] by unconstitutional or other unlawful means, such as sedition" are not permitted.
"Active participation in extremist activities can be prohibited even in some circumstances in which such activities would be constitutionally protected in a civilian setting," Wormuth penned in a memo at the time of the policy's release. "Extremism calls into question a soldier's ability to follow orders from, or effectively lead and serve with, persons of diverse backgrounds, and it prevents maximum utilization and development of the Army's most valuable asset -- its people."
The National Guard should have been aware of Abbott's role with the militia, and its message. Since at least 2020, he has been mentioned in or interviewed by at least half a dozen media outlets, ranging from local radio to The New York Times -- though it doesn't appear his status as a Guardsman was previously reported. In the interview with that paper, Abbott insisted his militia is not an extremist organization, but said the purpose is to prevent governments from "being able to impose their will on people who didn't want their will."
The New York Times' reporting at the time said the spike in the militia movement in Virginia largely centered around historically red regions in the country becoming more diverse, but was also fueled by racial grievances and shifting power structures. "Not everyone saw this fight as just about gun policy. It was also about power," the paper reported.
Abbott holds both infantry and horizontal construction engineer job qualifications, according to his service record.
Griffeth serves as a battalion-level administrator in the state; she is also a combat engineer and infantryman. It's common in the National Guard for soldiers to hold multiple specialties. She is also one of the state's best shooters, competing and winning at least one marksmanship competition last year.
In the militia, Griffeth has a leadership role in its tactical training, including rifle marksmanship. She also appears with Abbott at recruiting events, making direct appeals to listeners to become part of their organization.
"There is a place for women, children [and] teens," she said to a group of potential recruits, according to a recording reviewed by Military.com.
At the heart of the Campbell County Militia is a sustained public relations campaign. Its social media accounts mostly post photos of the group doing community service, such as picking up litter or volunteering at a food pantry. Extremist groups often partake in charity causes or public service that is divorced from their prime objective.
The Ku Klux Klan, for example, has a long track record of charity work and public service to build relationships with local municipalities and fuel positive public relations campaigns. In the early 1920s, the Klan's Madison, Wisconsin, chapter served as a formal reaction force for local officials to respond to natural disasters and helped law enforcement combat bootleggers during Prohibition.
"These are [public relations] stunts to whitewash, to earn the goodwill from local officials and garner good press," Goldsmith said. "This is also a recruiting tactic."
Abbott has been clear, nonetheless, about the purpose of the militia.
"This is a military organization; this is force of arms," he said in a meeting recorded earlier this year.
The organization's social media presence also features a steady diet of anti-immigrant rhetoric and suggestions of impending violence.
"Biden keeps letting them in, policy cannot keep you safe," one social media post from the militia's Facebook account said earlier this year. "Time to get trained up for the time is coming."
Abbott is among the highest-profile Guardsmen in his state; in 2023, he was named as the Virginia National Guard's noncommissioned officer of the year. He also competed in the Guard's Best Warrior Competition that year in Alaska against other top performers across the service component. During that competition, he wore his militia's patch, which is seemingly inspired by the Army infantry's cross rifle insignia. The militia's logo is also heavily inspired by the 75th Ranger Regiment scroll.
Virginia has seen a rise in militia activity and other far-right groups since just before the pandemic. That follows a decade of the state population becoming more diverse. In 2010, 70% of Virginians identified as white, according to that year's census. In 2020, just 60% identified as white.
The Virginia National Guard, currently commanded by Maj. Gen. James Ring, has a record of slow-rolling booting out soldiers tied to anti-government violence or rhetoric.
Jacob Fracker, who was the first service member charged after being a part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was not removed from the Virginia Guard until more than a year after he was initially arrested and publicly admitted to taking part in the riot, posting images of himself in the Capitol. Fracker, a corporal at the time, was an infantryman assigned to the 116th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 29th Infantry Division.
Editor's note: This story has been updated to correct the name of the Virginia National Guard's commander and the spelling of Griffeth's name.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... litia.html
“Do not grow old, no matter how long you live. Never cease to stand like curious children before the Great Mystery into which we were born.” Albert Einstein
-
ashkor87
- Posts: 5871
- Joined: Wed May 26, 2021 6:18 am
- Location: India
- Has thanked: 3107 times
- Been thanked: 1015 times
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/georgia-g ... -at-school
Bullying is very common in schools, apparently..we didn't see much of it where I went to school..is it unique to the US? Aggression, humiliation of the weak...considered ok to do?
Bullying is very common in schools, apparently..we didn't see much of it where I went to school..is it unique to the US? Aggression, humiliation of the weak...considered ok to do?
-
ponchi101
- Site Admin
- Posts: 16529
- Joined: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:40 pm
- Location: New Macondo
- Has thanked: 4189 times
- Been thanked: 6523 times
- Contact:
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
Then you live in indeed a superior society.
Bullying has been common always (my personal, unschooled, un-researched opinion). How to deal with bullies? You stand up and hit them. Physically.
And I do mean that.
Ivan Lendl once said that when he was in school, there was a kid that missed one year and returned. He was the biggest kid in class, and started bullying the others. Until he bullied Lendl, who beat him up.
End of bullying.
Bullying has been common always (my personal, unschooled, un-researched opinion). How to deal with bullies? You stand up and hit them. Physically.
And I do mean that.
Ivan Lendl once said that when he was in school, there was a kid that missed one year and returned. He was the biggest kid in class, and started bullying the others. Until he bullied Lendl, who beat him up.
End of bullying.
Ego figere omnia et scio supellectilem
-
ti-amie
- Posts: 26710
- Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:44 pm
- Location: The Boogie Down, NY
- Has thanked: 5938 times
- Been thanked: 3889 times
-
Honorary_medal
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
The only culture that seems to be putting its school bullying problem in front of the world via its TV dramas is South Korea. If you want to see one based on something that really happened watch "The Glory". Horrific and yet you can't look away.ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:14 am https://www.thedailybeast.com/georgia-g ... -at-school
Bullying is very common in schools, apparently..we didn't see much of it where I went to school..is it unique to the US? Aggression, humiliation of the weak...considered ok to do?
“Do not grow old, no matter how long you live. Never cease to stand like curious children before the Great Mystery into which we were born.” Albert Einstein
-
Owendonovan
- Posts: 1273
- Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:08 am
- Location: NYC
- Has thanked: 1162 times
- Been thanked: 912 times
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
I don't know if it's unique, but as a gay kid, not out, I was tormented daily basically from kindergarten to my last day of 12th grade. There was no relief to be found, none. "That's what you get for acting that way" was the response to my pleas for help. I started kindergarten in 1971, so being gay was still classified as a mental illness. My town was basically 99% catholic, so I was never going to be me in that town, so I ran out of there right to California after graduation and never looked back. So yes, bullying is pervasive in the USA. Gay people continue to be bullied by the GOP, always have been, alway will. We're good negative fodder during elections.ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:14 am https://www.thedailybeast.com/georgia-g ... -at-school
Bullying is very common in schools, apparently..we didn't see much of it where I went to school..is it unique to the US? Aggression, humiliation of the weak...considered ok to do?
-
ashkor87
- Posts: 5871
- Joined: Wed May 26, 2021 6:18 am
- Location: India
- Has thanked: 3107 times
- Been thanked: 1015 times
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
Sounds terrible...best to be home-schooled then..neither I nor my son ever even saw this kind of bullying in our schools...very sad to hear it is pervasive...
-
Owendonovan
- Posts: 1273
- Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:08 am
- Location: NYC
- Has thanked: 1162 times
- Been thanked: 912 times
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
I'd be fine with kicking kids out of school for bullying. First time you're warned, second time you're out. Parents can figure it out from there as they're likely the cause.
-
ti-amie
- Posts: 26710
- Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:44 pm
- Location: The Boogie Down, NY
- Has thanked: 5938 times
- Been thanked: 3889 times
-
Honorary_medal
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
Art Candee 
@ArtCandee
Oh snap!!!!
The Department of Justice announced today in a DOJ press release that "Dallas Humber, 34, of Elk Grove, California, and Matthew Allison, 37, of Boise, Idaho — leaders of the Terrorgram Collective, a transnational terrorist group — were charged with a 15-count indictment for soliciting hate crimes, soliciting the murder of federal officials, and conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. Humber and Allison were arrested on Friday by law enforcement officials."
They were "dedicated to attacking America’s critical infrastructure, targeting a hit list of our country’s public officials, and carrying out deadly hate crimes — all in the name of violent white supremacist ideology."
@ArtCandee
Oh snap!!!!
The Department of Justice announced today in a DOJ press release that "Dallas Humber, 34, of Elk Grove, California, and Matthew Allison, 37, of Boise, Idaho — leaders of the Terrorgram Collective, a transnational terrorist group — were charged with a 15-count indictment for soliciting hate crimes, soliciting the murder of federal officials, and conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. Humber and Allison were arrested on Friday by law enforcement officials."
They were "dedicated to attacking America’s critical infrastructure, targeting a hit list of our country’s public officials, and carrying out deadly hate crimes — all in the name of violent white supremacist ideology."
“Do not grow old, no matter how long you live. Never cease to stand like curious children before the Great Mystery into which we were born.” Albert Einstein
-
ti-amie
- Posts: 26710
- Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:44 pm
- Location: The Boogie Down, NY
- Has thanked: 5938 times
- Been thanked: 3889 times
-
Honorary_medal
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
Very rape adjacent IMO
“Do not grow old, no matter how long you live. Never cease to stand like curious children before the Great Mystery into which we were born.” Albert Einstein
-
Owendonovan
- Posts: 1273
- Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:08 am
- Location: NYC
- Has thanked: 1162 times
- Been thanked: 912 times
Re: Hello Dante? What Level Is This?
Gross. As if Taylor needs or wants ANYTHING from that sleezeball.
-
ashkor87
- Posts: 5871
- Joined: Wed May 26, 2021 6:18 am
- Location: India
- Has thanked: 3107 times
- Been thanked: 1015 times
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests