ATP & WTA rankings

[ashkor87]

Now that the year is done, what (at the moment) should the rankings be?
Men:
1. Sinner
2. Alcaraz
3. Djokovic
4. Fritz
5. Zverev
6. Medvedev

Women:
1. Sabalenka
2. Swiatek
3. Gauff
4. QZ
5. Paolini
6. Muchova

Thoughts?

[skatingfan]

Djokovic should be #3 based on 2 top ten wins, two finals, and no titles? (Olympics doesn't count in rankings).

[ashkor87]

Yes, I considered Olympics..the rankings dont, that is their problem! And anyway is Fritz better ? How?

[Suliso]

Zverev is better than Fritz. Putting Fritz ahead is just based on indoor hard results.

[ashkor87]

Could be, but the h2h is 7-5 in Fritz' favor...also, Fritz beat him at the USO..so not all indoors...

[ponchi101]

Since you said rankings, I say Novak does not belong in the top 6. He did almost nothing this year.
But I suspect he has been injured for quite a while. Is he better than anybody other than Sinner and Alcaraz? Maybe. But not enough to rank #3.
And I know we love Muchova. But ranking her at #6 is a bit high. She had a very good USO run. But not much since.

[ashkor87]

muchova went to the finals of Beijing...beat Qinwen..forgotten that already?!

[ponchi101]

Yes. But that is only on tournament. Not enough to bump her over, for example, Pegula, who won Toronto, and made the finals of Cincy and the USO.
Forgot those already?

[ashkor87]

You know my opinion of Pegula...a bit over-rated

[ponchi101]

You are talking rankings, this time. Not your concept of "Tiers".
Maybe Pegula is overrated, but rankings say otherwise.
You and I are not going to disagree on how beautifully Muchova plays. And that her injuries have affected her achievements a lot. But, at comparable ages, Pegula has achieved more. With those caveats, but she has.

[ashkor87]

If we are talking rankings as commonly understood, all we would have to do is look at the tennis.com website! I am talking about subjective estimates of good the player is, st this moment.

[ponchi101]

OH, you are asking me to be knowingly subjective! That's a bit too much for me

[ashkor87]

OH, you are asking me to be knowingly subjective! That's a bit too much for me

Why? Do you want my bot to speak to your bot?

[ponchi101]

No. I try to keep this sort of rankings as objective as possible. If a player like Pegula has a higher ranking than another player, I will trust the ranking. The system has been fine-tuned for decades, so that is fine with me.
Who is the better player? Well, Muchova certainly has a much more beautiful game, to me. But the results are not there, so I yield to the numerical evidence.