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Deuce wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:24 am Is there anything more typically American than this?
I don't know whether to laugh, to applaud, or to cry...

NASCAR's Childress to Donate Ammunition to Ukraine...

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it's almost like an Onion headline. But hey, this works.
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Suliso wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:21 pm Or for everyone to go back to driving Ladas...

But generally you're right, most often it will be Chinese companies benefiting. Maybe a bit also elsewhere in Eastern Europe, but the scale is not the same.

We'd happily collaborate with Middle Eastern or South American chemical companies, but they simply don't exist beyond some basic generic manufacturing.

Lada and its parent plant are now owned by Renault. They've already suspended some operations.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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mmmm8 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:05 pm
Suliso wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:21 pm Or for everyone to go back to driving Ladas...

But generally you're right, most often it will be Chinese companies benefiting. Maybe a bit also elsewhere in Eastern Europe, but the scale is not the same.

We'd happily collaborate with Middle Eastern or South American chemical companies, but they simply don't exist beyond some basic generic manufacturing.

Lada and its parent plant are now owned by Renault. They've already suspended some operations.
Yugo's, then? :?
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Do keep this in mind and the way the other refugees were treated in recent years when they were fleeing war in their countries. This is in addition to the disturbing racism that has been shown at the Ukrainian borders.


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This is very different. Those are our neighbors in deep trouble. Syrians or Eritreans are not.
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Suliso wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:47 pm This is very different. Those are our neighbors in deep trouble. Syrians or Eritreans are not.
I agree. Racism was a factor, yes. But Poland, as just one example who is right next door, shares many similarities with Ukraine in terms of culture, food, language, etc.
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Suliso wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:47 pm This is very different. Those are our neighbors in deep trouble. Syrians or Eritreans are not.
No, it is not very different. You just don't want to see it.
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MJ2004 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:36 pm
Suliso wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:47 pm This is very different. Those are our neighbors in deep trouble. Syrians or Eritreans are not.
I agree. Racism was a factor, yes. But Poland, as just one example who is right next door, shares many similarities with Ukraine in terms of culture, food, language, etc.
Please next list what similarities they share with the Spain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands and Greece.
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JazzNU wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:41 pm
MJ2004 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:36 pm
Suliso wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:47 pm This is very different. Those are our neighbors in deep trouble. Syrians or Eritreans are not.
I agree. Racism was a factor, yes. But Poland, as just one example who is right next door, shares many similarities with Ukraine in terms of culture, food, language, etc.
Please next list what similarities they share with the Spain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands and Greece.
They are all European. I don't think it's contradictory to say that while of course racism is a factor, there is also a greater sense of unity and shared sense of responsibility within European countries, and with Ukraine's bid to join the EU that reinforces the bond.

There is also a fear of Putin moving against other countries that wasn't a factor with Syrian refugees.
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MJ2004 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:58 pm

They are all European. I don't think it's contradictory to say that while of course racism is a factor, there is also a greater sense of unity and shared sense of responsibility within European countries, and with Ukraine's bid to join the EU that reinforces the bond.

There is also a fear of Putin moving against other countries that wasn't a factor with Syrian refugees.
Honestly, I'm surprised by you downplaying this so much.
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MJ2004 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:58 pm
They are all European. I don't think it's contradictory to say that while of course racism is a factor, there is also a greater sense of unity and shared sense of responsibility within European countries, and with Ukraine's bid to join the EU that reinforces the bond.

There is also a fear of Putin moving against other countries that wasn't a factor with Syrian refugees.
Ahh, yes. "European"










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