Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)

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Who wins?

Poll ended at Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:00 pm

Rafa
0
No votes
Tsitsipas
0
No votes
Ruud
1
10%
Medvedev
2
20%
Fritz
1
10%
Rublev
0
No votes
FAA
2
20%
Novak
4
40%
Rune
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 10

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Re: Turin. World Tour Finals (ATP)

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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:42 am
ashkor87 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:18 am
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:59 pm You posted a similar post in the RANKINGS topic, and I answered there.
So, copy paste here ;) :

I will bet you two dog-chewed balls Novak won't win ;)
Paris is a court that favors him a lot, and yet he could not win. To me, the problem now for Rafa and Novak is the recovery time; if they have one tough match, specially a late one, they don't have the time to come back. It is the reason they are still so dominant at Slams (with the days-off schedule) but have come down to earth, slightly, on the regular tour.
Having said that:
Rafa: won't win. Not his place.
Tsitsipas: As good a chance as anybody else.
Ruud. Not his favorite surface.
Medvedev: Good chances. He likes indoor fast.
FAA: very good chances. He LOVES indoor fast.
Rublev: The one guy that should withdraw so that Rune can get in. Zero chance.
Novak: Contradicting myself here. Betting against him seldom pays off.
Fritz: good fast court player, has some very good strokes, then he fizzles. Or Fritzzles?
Rune: He would not win it; but he would not go 0-3.
Hmm...
Betting against me is ok but betting against Djokovic?!
Will never learn my lesson ;)
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Am impressed with Ruud though..he is now the new gold standard..if you want to be considered a champion, you have to beat Ruud...if you can't, you aren't..
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ashkor87 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:21 am
JTContinental wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:21 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:12 am Roddick was a great player..he should have could have won Wimbledon..Fritz is just another big hitting, slow-moving player in the Querrey class..not even Isner..
What??? I’m sorry, but this assessment has no basis in reality.
Not sure what you mean..I watched Roddick's Wimbledon losses and I have watched Fritz..good enough for me. What is 'reality'? For me, the evidence of my eyes is reality.Please explain.
Again, I'm not comparing Fritz to Roddick, just saying I think he will turn out to be the most solid American top 10 since the early 2000s. Also, if your eyes are seeing Taylor Fritz running at the same speed or slower as Querrey or Isner, only your ophthamologist can help you with that. :D
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JTContinental wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:08 am
ashkor87 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:21 am
JTContinental wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:21 pm

What??? I’m sorry, but this assessment has no basis in reality.
Not sure what you mean..I watched Roddick's Wimbledon losses and I have watched Fritz..good enough for me. What is 'reality'? For me, the evidence of my eyes is reality.Please explain.
Again, I'm not comparing Fritz to Roddick, just saying I think he will turn out to be the most solid American top 10 since the early 2000s. Also, if your eyes are seeing Taylor Fritz running at the same speed or slower as Querrey or Isner, only your ophthamologist can help you with that. :D
Got it. You are probably right...
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ashkor87 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:30 am Am impressed with Ruud though..he is now the new gold standard..if you want to be considered a champion, you have to beat Ruud...if you can't, you aren't..
His serve has improved a lot.
The consistency has always been there.
To say he has stamina is an understatement.
He is also solid mentally.
But, the net game and the approach game are nowhere near what he needs. I believe he is one of those players that needs to get some special coaching. By that I mean, just one person to teach him better volleys and how to approach the net more forcefully.
I am currently down with an elbow injury so I would recommend Mr. Edberg. Fellow Scandinavian citizen, lives not that far, could help him with a FH volley that is not bad, but can break down. The BH is better.
Still. A very good year for him. I hope he can get a major sometime.
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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:12 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:30 am Am impressed with Ruud though..he is now the new gold standard..if you want to be considered a champion, you have to beat Ruud...if you can't, you aren't..
His serve has improved a lot.
The consistency has always been there.
To say he has stamina is an understatement.
He is also solid mentally.
But, the net game and the approach game are nowhere near what he needs. I believe he is one of those players that needs to get some special coaching. By that I mean, just one person to teach him better volleys and how to approach the net more forcefully.
I am currently down with an elbow injury so I would recommend Mr. Edberg. Fellow Scandinavian citizen, lives not that far, could help him with a FH volley that is not bad, but can break down. The BH is better.
Still. A very good year for him. I hope he can get a major sometime.
How about Federer, he's available. :)
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To me, Roger would be as good a coach as Pete. Whom I thought would not be a good coach because he was so natural in his strokes I wondered if he ever knew what he was doing.
Roger would be like: "Do it THIS way", not realizing that only he could do it. It would be like when a mathematician tells you "and it is obvious that blah blah blah" and you are completely lost in a fog of symbols. Obvious for him, of course, not for us normals.
However. If he could spend a week with Roger, training, go for it. Maybe I am very wrong, and Roger could help. So sure, go for it. I am sure Roger's house has extra rooms and he can book a court in Basel with little notice.
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I don't think Federer would teach/coach anyone. I'll believe it when I see it.
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I don't think he would either, at least not until his 90 children are grown.
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JTContinental wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:42 pm I don't think he would either, at least not until his 90 children are grown.
I don't think he'll coach anyone. I could see him spending time with some of the Team 8 players as an advisor, a week here and there or at a Slam. Roger will stay close to the sport and loves being on court. I think he'll be actively involved in some Team 8 person's career, whether we see it or not.
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I don't know that Roger will ever be a full time tour coach, but he has talked about Davis Cup Captain in the past, and we've already seen what kind of coach he is, and I think he'd be good.



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Coaching at a team exhibition that doesn't mean much is a little different though :D
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ptmcmahon wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:38 am Coaching at a team exhibition that doesn't mean much is a little different though :D
Which is why I said that a role like Davis Cup captain would be the type of position that he would be interested in.
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Gotcha, I misread it :)
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