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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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lots of interesting potential third round matches, of course, which is as it should be..! like Coco versus Anisimova (yet again!) Garcia versus Fernandez, Musetti versus Sinner.. i think Bencic-Kostyuk will be close too...
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Which halves play the first day (Wednesday)? Is it the top half of each draw?
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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JTContinental wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:52 am I don’t think it takes that much guile to heat Fognini these days
With JT here. I don't think Shelton needs to do much to beat Fabio. Fabio is retiring slowly and just collecting these last few 1st round loss checks.
Unless JT DID mean "heat Fognini". ;)
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ashkor87 wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:58 am
ponchi101 wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:13 pm I do like data. I am a data rat, and I like to quantify these facts.
as a leading data scientist said recently - 'If you torture the data enough, it will confess to anything'..
Yes. The bad scientists say that.
Surprising how it is still the way the whole thing works.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Indeed. Data and statistics is a powerful tool. Of course if your intention is to deceive in the first place then it's a different kind of discussion. Also one needs to be very careful about the applicability domain of any analysis. That's the hard part where errors are often made.
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Tuesday, March 07, 2023 Day 2

STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am


Q2
(9) Thanasi Kokkinakis VS (13) Matteo Arnaldi
Followed By
Q2
(7) Alexei Popyrin VS (17) Taro Daniel
Not Before 4:00 Pm
Q2
(WC) Tennys Sandgren VS (16) Rinky Hijikata

STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am

(WC) Ashlyn Krueger VS (13) Magdalena Frech
Followed By
(10) Rebecca Peterson VS (WC) Caroline Dolehide
Followed By
Olga Danilovic VS Kaja Juvan
Not Before 4:00 PM
Arantxa Rus VS (14) Sara Errani

STADIUM 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(11) Radu Albot VS (22) Jan-Lennard Struff
Not Before 1:00 Pm
Q2
Alejandro Tabilo VS (WC) Zachary Svajda
Not Before 2:00 Pm
Q2
(6) Zhizhen Zhang VS Juncheng Shang

STADIUM 6 Starts At 11:00 Am

(1) Dalma Galfi
VS Katie Swan
Followed By
(2) Cristina Bucsa VS Elena-Gabriela Ruse
Not Before 2:00 PM
(4) Rebeka Masarova VS (WC) Liv Hovde
Not Before 4:00 PM
Nao Hibino VS (20) Kimberly Birrell

STADIUM 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
Maximilian Marterer VS Emilio Nava
Followed By
Q2
(8) Cristian Garin VS (24) Filip Misolic
Not Before 3:00 Pm
Q2
Alexandre Muller VS (19) Leandro Riedi
Followed By
Q2
Pablo Andujar VS (18) Borna Gojo

STADIUM 8 Starts At 11:00 Am

(11) Anna Karolina Schmiedlova
VS (24) Laura Siegemund
Followed By
(7) Ysaline Bonaventure VS (23) Eva Lys
Not Before 2:00 PM
(3) Varvara Gracheva VS (15) Anna-Lena Friedsam

STADIUM 9 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(12) Francesco Passaro VS Tung-Lin Wu
Not Before 1:00 PM
(9) Lesia Tsurenko VS Katie Boulter
Not Before 3:00 Pm
Q2
Aleksandar Vukic VS (PR) Roberto Marcora
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ponchi101 wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:26 pm
JTContinental wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:52 am I don’t think it takes that much guile to heat Fognini these days
With JT here. I don't think Shelton needs to do much to beat Fabio. Fabio is retiring slowly and just collecting these last few 1st round loss checks.
Unless JT DID mean "heat Fognini". ;)
AS much as it pains me to state- and as I hate to disagree with my fellow geezers :gorgeous: - I think Fognini will take this match. He tortured Carlos a few weeks ago, and I think he'll be all in for more torture for the newbie. This match-up is gonna make Fognini want to win this match. (Hope to be wrong.)
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Suliso wrote: Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:32 pm Indeed. Data and statistics is a powerful tool. Of course if your intention is to deceive in the first place then it's a different kind of discussion. Also one needs to be very careful about the applicability domain of any analysis. That's the hard part where errors are often made.
i don't know anything about applicability domains- and I plan to keep in this way. (Sometimes, y'all make me feel so blonde.) :gorgeous:

PS: Giorgi is, of course, the Applicability Domain Nullifier. :gorgeous: :gorgeous:
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Wednesday, March 08, 2023 Day 3

STADIUM 1 Starts At 11:00 Am


Marcos Giron VS (WC) Aleksandar Kovacevic
Followed By
John Isner VS Brandon Nakashima
Followed By
(WC) Katie Volynets VS Shelby Rogers
Not Before 6:00 Pm
Jordan Thompson VS (PR) Gael Monfils
Followed By
Anna Kalinskaya VS Alycia Parks

STADIUM 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

Aliaksandra Sasnovich VS Kaia Kanepi
Followed By
Xinyu Wang VS Elise Mertens
Not Before 2:00 Pm
(WC) Yibing Wu VS Jaume Munar
Not Before 6:00 PM
(WC) Elizabeth Mandlik VS Alison Riske-Amritraj
Followed By
Alexander Bublik VS Qualifier

STADIUM 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

Bernabe Zapata Miralles VS Ugo Humbert
Followed By
Mayar Sherif VS Linda Fruhvirtova
Followed By
Qualifier vs Camila Giorgi
Not Before 5:00 Pm
Diego Schwartzman VS Federico Coria
Followed By
Qualifier VS Qualifier

STADIUM 4 Starts At 11:00 Am

Linda Noskova VS Irina-Camelia Begu
Followed By
Jason Kubler VS Lorenzo Sonego
Followed By
Jiri Lehecka VS Arthur Rinderknech
Followed By
Qualifier vs M Kostyuk
Followed By
Qualifier vs J Tiechmann

STADIUM 5 Starts At 11:00 Am

Ilya Ivashka VS Roman Safiullin
Followed By
Pedro Cachin VS Nikoloz Basilashvili
Followed By
Qualifier VS Roberto Carballes Baena

STADIUM 6 Starts At 11:00 Am

(WC) Ann Li VS Anna Blinkova
Followed By
(WC) Dayana Yastremska VS Anna Bondar
Followed By
WTA TBC -
Qualifier vs Qualifier

STADIUM 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

Laslo Djere VS Oscar Otte
Followed By
Emil Ruusuvuori VS Constant Lestienne
Followed By
Daniel Elahi Galan VS Qualifier

STADIUM 8 Starts At 11:00 Am

Evgeniya Rodina VS Alizé Cornet
Followed By
WTA TBC
Qualifier vs Qualifier
Followed By
WTA TBC
Qualifier vs Qualifier
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Men's and women's draws start play on the same day this year? I recall the women all started a day earlier here (and in Miami).
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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strangely enough, good volleyers can also do well on a slow court.. because they DO have a way to finish the point.. so BHM, Leylah, Krejcikova can do well here.. among the men, the only GOOD volleyers in the world are Nadal, Kyrgios and Murray.. last year, Nadal came to the net a lot against Alcaraz and was practically unpassable..
on a slow court, you need a way to finish the point, just hanging about at the back and returning the ball wont do, everyone can do that nowadays..
Even in era gone by..Noah best all comers on clay by coming to the net.. of course, he had no other shots so he had to, but he had a great serve, and that plus his volleying ability was enough to beat even Wilander at RG...l
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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ashkor87 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:38 am strangely enough, good volleyers can also do well on a slow court.. because they DO have a way to finish the point.. so BHM, Leylah, Krejcikova can do well here.. among the men, the only GOOD volleyers in the world are Nadal, Kyrgios and Murray.. last year, Nadal came to the net a lot against Alcaraz and was practically unpassable..
on a slow court, you need a way to finish the point, just hanging about at the back and returning the ball wont do, everyone can do that nowadays..
Even in era gone by..Noah best all comers on clay by coming to the net.. of course, he had no other shots so he had to, but he had a great serve, and that plus his volleying ability was enough to beat even Wilander at RG...l
Noah was a "serve and approach" player, indeed, but that was 1983, with nobody playing with a racquet worth a lick to generate power by itself. Wilander's Rossignol F200 was a 14.5 oz club that only generated power the old-fashioned way: he had to swing it like a cricket bat. Lendl's Adidas GTX (really a Kneissl) weighted 15 oz, and recently retired Borg played with that Borg Pro at 16 oz.
So Noah could approach and volley because Wilander had to swing at the ball, not stab it.
And, let's be honest. Noah's win is in the list of "flukes". He was a fine player, but he never even made another Slam final. A fine volleyer indeed, he made the Wimby 3R twice, and on Aussie SF, when it was played on grass. I really liked him but... great he was not.
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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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Fritz's reverse serve last night. I need to see a chiropractor just from watching it.

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Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 BNP Paribas Open 3/8 - 3/19 2023

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At the club I played in in Caracas, there was a guy that only served that way. All his serves were reversed. It was quite interesting and it drove a lot of people crazy. Of course, he did not have the speed, but the spin made it complicated for many.
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