'23 Wimbledon Day 4 Order of Play and Discussion

[jazzyg]

Fritz has a high ranking, but doesn't really have a high class. Doesn't posses that extra something some players are able to bring at Slams.

You clearly did not watch his match with Nadal at Wimbledon last year. Fritz clearly lacks toughness in slams, and he is not a slam-winner caliber but he definitely has the game to do much better at slams than he has.

[ashkor87]

Cirstea has moved to a different level this year, rather consistently now.

What kind of different level? I'm not sure what you mean. She had good tournaments in Miami, and Indian Wells, and won a 125 event in May but otherwise it's been first & second round loses

Mainly remembering Miami..never expected her to do so well...

[ashkor87]

Very good win for Pegula... berrettini was impressive too..didn't expect Bencic to beat Collins but actually, both were recovering from fitness issues so hard to say...

[Suliso]

You clearly did not watch his match with Nadal at Wimbledon last year. Fritz clearly lacks toughness in slams, and he is not a slam-winner caliber but he definitely has the game to do much better at slams than he has.

That's exactly what I mean. He can play a fantastic match from time to time (many can), but can't bring his best at Slams regularly.

[nelslus]

*MAN. We didn't see much of the Sloane/Donna match. Sloane had a break point to go up double break- which at that point would have had Sloane at 6-4, 4-0. That's where we started watching via Tennis Channel's rebroadcast. Sloane DID get to 6-4, 5-2, and multiple times in the next two games, was two points away from winning. Vekic did not at all look like she felt confident enough to come back. Until Sloane started getting too careful/tentative, started hitting especially bad errors, and just was not moving her feet enough. Of course, Donna's game then did improve dramatically- some great drop shots helped Donna get back on track. Even knowing the history of these two players- it is still pretty shocking to watch the collapse of Sloane. I'd actually like to think that this loss will really, REALLY burn for Sloane. But, it's hard to know.

*We did get to watch some of the last few games re: Rybakina's win today against Cornet- including what looked like a horrible injury moment for Cornet- including Rybakina quickly crossing over to check in on Cornet. And, at this point, I must draw a direct parallel to the discussion today concerning Krejčíková. Look- I actually have always really liked Cornet's game, and very much respect her achievements. So, I'd like to give Cornet the benefit of the doubt concerning what took place. And, genuinely- this did look scary, and I'm sure Cornet felt some significant pain. But, I've been to the Cornet Show a few too many times. HERE she is, step right up, ladies and gentlemen, as Our Brave Little French Madame Defarge Fairy Princess, writhing and crying in agony and pain, still has the PLUCK!! to allow herself to get bandaged up like a mummy- and, gasp- she plays on!! Our Darling Little Miracle Future Dancing with Le Stars Winner GETS! to EVERY!! BALL!!!!, slicing and dicing and tootling her magic dust, to temporarily make Rybakina forget how to play tennis.

FORTUNATELY, in this case, Rybankina played enough solid shots to get out of this Un Vrai Foutoir with a straight sets win. AND, I also get that these scenarios could be particularly fraught for Cornet, since she's talked about retirement a few times, until she then talks about playing on. STILL- again- PERHAPS I am questioning some of Cornet's histrionics today....and, I just don't enjoy the especially dramatic players.

[ashkor87]

Vondrousova beating Kudermetova was a real surprise for me - V is much more of a clay courter and K had been in good form on grass..3 ans 3, pretty handily beaten..

[mick1303]

At the pace this Murray/Tsitsipas match is being played the 11p curfew is a factor.

I hate the excessive "home cooking" - trying to maximize the chances of the home player at the expense of an opponent. In this particular instance - scheduling Murray match at the very late hour with this artificial "curfew" predetermined. This match was destined to be postponed. Playing a match as a 2 separate parts benefits player who is less fit - and this is obviously Murray.
About the "curfew" itself. If those "local home owners" can't be bothered with tennis in the late hours - maybe they do not deserve to hold such global event?

[JTContinental]

Kudermetova has been in a downward spiral for a long stretch now

[ashkor87]

Kudermetova has been in a downward spiral for a long stretch now

Didn't she do well at Berlin and s'hertogenboch? Both on grass? Maybe she doesn't match up well against Vondrousova- lost to her on hard too..

[JTContinental]

She did do well on grass and at the beginning of the year, but had a long stretch of bad losses in between. Maybe she was nursing an injury or something and is on the way back up again.

[skatingfan]

I hate the excessive "home cooking" - trying to maximize the chances of the home player at the expense of an opponent. In this particular instance - scheduling Murray match at the very late hour with this artificial "curfew" predetermined. This match was destined to be postponed. Playing a match as a 2 separate parts benefits player who is less fit - and this is obviously Murray.
About the "curfew" itself. If those "local home owners" can't be bothered with tennis in the late hours - maybe they do not deserve to hold such global event?

We'll see what happens when the match resumes, but I think it would have been better for Murray if he had been able to finish the match yesterday. Tsitsipas was a bit shaky in the 3rd set, and Murray had gained the edge, and momentum in the match.