The Goat Debate

[ponchi101]

According to my data there are 138 such players. 17 of them are active (or at least did not say that they are retired: Sam Querry, Verdasco...)
I was counting main tour wins.

I am surprised. I would have expected far less. But numbers are numbers, and still, only 138 players have won 350 tour matches in both tours, over a span of over 50 years. That says how unbelievable that stat is.
Txs for the number.

[ti-amie]

The Big Three
@Big3Tennis
Big Three Grand Slam Winning Percentage, In Order:

1. Nadal French Open: 97%

2. Djokovic Australian Open: 92%

3. Djokovic Wimbledon: 89%

4. Federer Wimbledon: 88%

5. Federer Australian Open: 87%

6. Federer US Open: 86.4%

7. Djokovic US Open: 86.2%

8. Djokovic French Open: 85.2%

9. Nadal US Open: 85%

10. Nadal Wimbledon: 82.9%

11. Nadal Australian Open: 82.8%

12. Federer French Open: 81%

[mick1303]

Borg French Open - 96%
Borg Wimbledon - 92.7%

[patrick]

The surprise is Djokovic at 86.2 at USO. Thought that should be higher.

[ponchi101]

Both Borg and Nadal have lost only two matches at RG.
One of those hypothetical questions never to be answered: If Borg had not retired...

[mick1303]

Both Borg and Nadal have lost only two matches at RG.
One of those hypothetical questions never to be answered: If Borg had not retired...

No, Nadal lost twice only to Djokovic. But there was also that Soderling match.

[mick1303]

Both Borg and Nadal have lost only two matches at RG.
One of those hypothetical questions never to be answered: If Borg had not retired...

The question is hypothetical only in a sense that this never happened. But we have a pretty good idea of what would've happened (sort of like with Djokovic (not)participation in Oz Open 22).

[ponchi101]

Both Borg and Nadal have lost only two matches at RG.
One of those hypothetical questions never to be answered: If Borg had not retired...

No, Nadal lost twice only to Djokovic. But there was also that Soderling match.

I can't believe I am going to correct YOU in some statistics!
Nope, Nadal's record at RG is 86-2. He was scheduled to meet Novak but there was the year that he withdrew prior to the match; I think it was in 2016. The Soderling match was in 2009 so that is one loss, and the 2015 loss to Novak was the other.

Those are his two losses there.

EDIT. Patrick corrected me below.

[ashkor87]

reproducing my earlier post..

The debate rages on and on – who is the greatest tennis player of all – at least of this generation? Is it Federer, Nadal, or Djokovic? Though the periods of their excellence overlap (fortunately for us tennis fans), Djokovic is actually 6 years younger than Federer, and Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer, almost half a generation apart. Comparing across half-generations is difficult, so here is a heroic approximation I have attempted:
It is only fair to compare players when they are their peak – let us assume that a player is at his peak between the ages of 23 and 33. Federer (1981), Djokovic (1987) and Nadal (1986) are all born roughly in the middle of the year, so considering only the years and not the months, we should compare Federer and Djokovic only in the period 2010 – 2014, Nadal and Djokovic only in the years 2010 to now, and Nadal and Federer only in the period 2009 to 2014, when they were all in their golden years.
These are their Head to Head results in that period:
Djokovic v/s Federer 11:10
Nadal v/s Federer 11:9
Djokovic v/s Nadal: 19:10
Seems pretty clear – Djokovic is actually the best of them, contrary to what most people think..

PS: to be unbiased, we must choose the window arbitrarily, not after looking at the results, that is why I chose 23-33..

[ponchi101]

reproducing my earlier post..

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These are their Head to Head results in that period:
Djokovic v/s Federer 11:10
Nadal v/s Federer 11:9
Djokovic v/s Nadal: 19:10
Seems pretty clear – Djokovic is actually the best of them, contrary to what most people think..

PS: to be unbiased, we must choose the window arbitrarily, not after looking at the results, that is why I chose 23-33..

I must be browsing a different forum because, in this one at least, I think we have all agreed that by now the case for Djokovic is too strong to refute.

[ashkor87]

This was done in 2020..there was no such consensus then.

[skatingfan]

I can't believe I am going to correct YOU in some statistics!
Nope, Nadal's record at RG is 86-2. He was scheduled to meet Novak but there was the year that he withdrew prior to the match; I think it was in 2016. The Soderling match was in 2009 so that is one loss, and the 2015 loss to Novak was the other.

Those are his two losses there.

Wikipedia has Nadal's Roland Garros record as 112-3

2009 4th Round - Soderling def Nadal 6-2, 6-7(2), 6-4, 7-6 (2)
2015 Quarterfinals - Djokovic def Nadal 7-5, 6-3, 6-1
2021 Semifinals - Djokovic def Nadal 3-6, 6-3 7-6(4), 6-2

I think you must be looking at outdated statistics.

[ponchi101]

This was done in 2020..there was no such consensus then.

Reason why I said by now. In 2020 the debate was still open.

[ponchi101]

I can't believe I am going to correct YOU in some statistics!
Nope, Nadal's record at RG is 86-2. He was scheduled to meet Novak but there was the year that he withdrew prior to the match; I think it was in 2016. The Soderling match was in 2009 so that is one loss, and the 2015 loss to Novak was the other.

Those are his two losses there.

Wikipedia has Nadal's Roland Garros record as 112-3

2009 4th Round - Soderling def Nadal 6-2, 6-7(2), 6-4, 7-6 (2)
2015 Quarterfinals - Djokovic def Nadal 7-5, 6-3, 6-1
2021 Semifinals - Djokovic def Nadal 3-6, 6-3 7-6(4), 6-2

I think you must be looking at outdated statistics.

Indeed I was. Txs.

[mick1303]

I missed one important Djokovic milestone. After Cincy he eclipsed Nadal in matches won on tour. Nadal is 1068, Djokovic was at 1069 before US Open. Lendl is at 1072. With Novak reaching the semis he already eclipsed Ivan as well. Only Connors and Fed are ahead.