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And that is the reason she is in the TOP 10, and not in the TOP 3.
But denying her consistency is not looking at these data.

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:53 am Trouble is, Sakkari doesn't go further...

No, the trouble is the need to disrespect her. Because that's all that this is doing.

Do we absolutely have to respect her here? Just saying...

JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:29 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:53 am Trouble is, Sakkari doesn't go further...

No, the trouble is the need to disrespect her. Because that's all that this is doing.

Suliso wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:36 pm Do we absolutely have to respect here here? Just saying...

Pointing out that Sakkari seldom goes further is not disrespect. In the last 3 years, she has made 5 finals, losing all. So, she only progresses from the SF's to the final on 1/4 of the occasions.
The data show that indeed, she is a consistent performer. But it also shows that there seems to be a ceiling.

Sakkari is the one player, even more than Sabalenka, who seems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory every time she's in sight of a final. Sabalenka has been playing very well of late and I felt she would win this. It's not disrespectful to point out that as ponchi said she has a ceiling.

Honestly- Sakarri just pisses me off. SO freakin' talented. But, over and over again- including today (the end of the first set)- she gets this scared, dear-caught-in-the-headlights look whenever there is anything resembling a pressure moment during any Big-Moment match past any SF. It's just annoying.

She's SO much better than this. But, until she truly realizes this.....

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 7:23 pm

JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:29 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:53 am Trouble is, Sakkari doesn't go further...

No, the trouble is the need to disrespect her. Because that's all that this is doing.

Suliso wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 5:36 pm Do we absolutely have to respect here here? Just saying...

Pointing out that Sakkari seldom goes further is not disrespect. In the last 3 years, she has made 5 finals, losing all. So, she only progresses from the SF's to the final on 1/4 of the occasions.
The data show that indeed, she is a consistent performer. But it also shows that there seems to be a ceiling.

No, it's disrespectful. Let the stat just be what it is, there was zero need for the comment accept to take a shot at her. And it's coming from someone who constantly wants everyone to see a player with a history of being good not great to be viewed as a grand slam contender with no stats to back it up.

Next week's rankings will be used for RG seedings. There is some uncertainty who'll get the last few positions. As of right now Nishioka and Giorgia are occupying the last position, but both are already out and several players just below them are alive.

For men the top 8 is set with 95% certainty (Alcaraz, Djokovic, Medvedev, Ruud, Tsitsipas, Rublev, Rune and Sinner). For women it's not as certain - Kasatkina would overtake Sakkari for #8 if she reaches SF's. Given the draw it doesn't look completely impossible.

That didn't take long... With Coco losing to Bouzkova the latter moves into a seeded position and now Stephens is the last seed. Obviously assuming no withdrawals. However, that might not be it yet. Badosa needs one more win (over Muchova) to move into a seeded range and Muchova needs two. If either thing happens Stephens is out and Shelby Rogers will be #32 seed.

As for Gauff herself she'll be seeded either #5 or #6, but will need to pull a rabbit out of a hat in the next four weeks or so to avoid tumbling out of the top 10.

Interesting fact- there have been 6 Wta tournaments this year, 1000 pointers and above, Swiatek has won ....None!

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 21, 2023 4:31 am Interesting fact- there have been 6 Wta tournaments this year, 1000 pointers and above, Swiatek has won ....None!

Mick also pointed that out in another topic.
We can accept that her hard court season was not great, but not bad either. But of the big clay tournaments, she only won Stuttgart, which is important but is not huge.
I still say she will be a dominant force for years to come. But we keep forgetting, over and over, that the Serenas, Steffis, Martinas and Chrissies are the exceptions. Last year was a very, very good year for Iga. Repeating that level was always going to be hard.

I remain confident, though, that she will win the French....

If you can only bet on one player at RG, sure, the money is still on her.
But, for example. I plan to start the usual polls but giving people the chance to pick as many as three players. Because after Madrid/Rome, there is no player, on either tour, that is like a 75% favorite. There will be mixes.
If somebody picks Rybakina, for example, they have a point.