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Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 12:47 pm
by ashkor87
Never saw that coming!
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 2:39 pm
by ponchi101
Indeed. If there was a coaching relationship that looked solid, this was it.
Watch Carlos now hire Moratogluo and finish the year at #10, 5 points ahead of #11.
(Joke).
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:51 pm
by ashkor87
Maybe JCF did not approve of the platinum hair?!
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 3:53 pm
by ashkor87
Maybe Carlitos didn't want an unfair advantage over Sinner..who is set to lose his coach?!
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2025 6:29 pm
by mick1303
Roddick and Jon Wertheim speculated that JCF was against overdoing with exhibitions.
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 1:50 am
by Owendonovan
Carlos is older and wiser now, there may be some aspects to the coaching he's grown out of that JCF doesn't want to relent on. (total speculation on my part based on what swirls around in my head)
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 2:26 am
by dryrunguy
Just a hypothesis--and it's probably way off. But...
When I was about 15 or 16, after a lesson, my piano teacher told me she felt she had taken me as far as she could take me as a teacher and that she thought it was time for me to start studying with a new teacher with experience concertizing, performing, etc. She recommended a woman who was only about 30 minutes away, was very well respected, and also served on the piano performance faculty at The Cleveland Institute of Music. Fun fact: She was also widely considered the best performer of Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto in the upper midwest. That piece was her primary claim to fame.
So I made the switch. My previous teacher was right, and it was a very selfless thing for her to do. Maybe JCF had a similar realization. He and Carlos have been together for a long, long time. And we've been very critical of young players who stayed with the coaches who shaped them most in their formative and early professional years far too long.
Or maybe not. Just a possibility.
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 8:01 am
by ashkor87
Ferrero was a father-figure to Carlitos, maybe he doesnt need one any more
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 1:59 pm
by ponchi101
The problem is that Carlos is risking quite a bit.
One thing about coaches is that they know your game; when you start doing something a little different, they can spot it. And, if Carlos gets a new coach that cannot spot the differences, or tries to introduce "something new because you have to continue to improve", you never know if that will actually work.
After all, Carlos has a world #1 game. Tweaking with that may have negative consequences, especially considering that his main rival is a true peer, and you can count on him also getting 1% better every year.
It's too risky.
Can he get Moya to tag along?
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 8:19 pm
by JTContinental
From his statement, it sounds like it was not JCF who ended their partnership.
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 8:53 pm
by skatingfan
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 9:31 pm
by ponchi101
Aaaaaah.
We forgot. They split because of the most basic and ancient of all reasons.
M.O.N.E.Y.
How could we be so naive...
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 1:08 am
by ti-amie
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:11 am
by dryrunguy
dryrunguy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 18, 2025 2:26 am
Just a hypothesis--and it's probably way off. But...
When I was about 15 or 16, after a lesson, my piano teacher told me she felt she had taken me as far as she could take me as a teacher and that she thought it was time for me to start studying with a new teacher with experience concertizing, performing, etc. She recommended a woman who was only about 30 minutes away, was very well respected, and also served on the piano performance faculty at The Cleveland Institute of Music. Fun fact: She was also widely considered the best performer of Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto in the upper midwest. That piece was her primary claim to fame.
So I made the switch. My previous teacher was right, and it was a very selfless thing for her to do. Maybe JCF had a similar realization. He and Carlos have been together for a long, long time. And we've been very critical of young players who stayed with the coaches who shaped them most in their formative and early professional years far too long.
Or maybe not. Just a possibility.
Now I feel silly. Meanwhile, for the record, the piano teacher who said it was time for me to move on to a more accomplished teacher charged $5 a lesson. Fun fact. Do with it what you will...
Re: The Tennis Coaching Merry Go Round
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2025 3:46 am
by ptmcmahon
dryrunguy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 18, 2025 2:26 am
Just a hypothesis--and it's probably way off. But...
When I was about 15 or 16, after a lesson, my piano teacher told me she felt she had taken me as far as she could take me as a teacher and that she thought it was time for me to start studying with a new teacher with experience concertizing, performing, etc. She recommended a woman who was only about 30 minutes away, was very well respected, and also served on the piano performance faculty at The Cleveland Institute of Music. Fun fact: She was also widely considered the best performer of Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto in the upper midwest. That piece was her primary claim to fame.
So I made the switch. My previous teacher was right, and it was a very selfless thing for her to do. Maybe JCF had a similar realization. He and Carlos have been together for a long, long time. And we've been very critical of young players who stayed with the coaches who shaped them most in their formative and early professional years far too long.
Or maybe not. Just a possibility.
My piano teacher never said anything like that to me
