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Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:41 pm
by mick1303
So to close the issue - I want to understand your position to the fullest. You maintain that if the tennis player lives in Russia and pays taxes to his government, then banning him from tennis tournaments is an act of "vilification"? Is this you stance? I promise it would be my last question on the issue.
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:09 pm
by ponchi101
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:43 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:31 am
The western, scientifically CORRECT view.
I have a suspicion that if this was Nadal refusing to be vaccinated, you'll rationalize his decision just fine, Western scientific view not withstanding. But as it is now, it's important for Nadal fans to blame Djokovic rather than Australian government of 2022. This is their way of erasing an asterisk that looms over this title.
Sorry, totally wrong Mick. If Nadal had refused to be vaccinated, I would have expected all the restrictions to be applied to him. I supported all the bans that the NBA imposed on Kyrie Irving (while it was their policy) and in this forum I was open about the NFL's chicken hearted treatment of another famous antivaxxer, Aaron Rodgers.
I do not make my decisions based on my "feelings" or "Fanhood". A few days ago, we were talking about retirements and how they seem to be cropping up. You then posted the very interesting data that Serena gave 19 walkovers in her career. And I yield to the evidence.
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:12 pm
by Suliso
Same for me. My favorite players probably get a pass for minor things like occasional petulant behaviour on court, but not for major stuff like this.
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:16 pm
by ashkor87
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:41 pm
So to close the issue - I want to understand your position to the fullest. You maintain that if the tennis player lives in Russia and pays taxes to his government, then banning him from tennis tournaments is an act of "vilification"? Is this you stance? I promise it would be my last question on the issue.
No, the vilification is happening on this forum!
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:22 pm
by ashkor87
That was a really good win for Paul...I like him for his willingness to come to the net, though he sort of lumbers up there and isn't really that good at volleying..but atleast he tries...
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:28 pm
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:16 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:41 pm
So to close the issue - I want to understand your position to the fullest. You maintain that if the tennis player lives in Russia and pays taxes to his government, then banning him from tennis tournaments is an act of "vilification"? Is this you stance? I promise it would be my last question on the issue.
No, the vilification is happening on this forum!
Excuse me? This forum was almost unanimous in that Wimbledon had it completely wrong when banning Russians and Belarusians. We were also in agreement that Russian TEAMS should be banned, but not INDIVIDUALS. We were almost in total agreement that, while we felt that Djokovic should not have been allowed to enter Australia, the Aussie Government botched the issue, and mishandled it completely.
And it cuts both ways. We are vilifying Djokovic? How about the opposite position? NOTHING he does is ever wrong. He smacked a ball at a line umpire? Oh, he should have not been defaulted. He crushes the entire field while claiming he had a 30mm hamstring tear? Well, he is that good. Years ago, a ball boy came over to hand him over his towel and Djokovic snapped it to the point the kid got scared? Well, heat of the moment stuff.
We are only calling it for what he does. And, right now, the rules to enter the USA call for vaccination. So, why do you expect those rules not to apply to him? It does not sound to me like we are the ones showing partiality towards the man.
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:29 pm
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:22 pm
That was a really good win for Paul...I like him for his willingness to come to the net, though he sort of lumbers up there and isn't really that good at volleying..but atleast he tries...
I actually feel he is good at the net. As you say, he is willing to come in and I have seen him hitting some solid strokes there.
Of course, they are not showing the matches this week so I won't be able to see the final, but I will keep an eye on his volleying skills next time I see him play.
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:44 pm
by ponchi101
And Medvedev seems to be completely back into form. Rublev has never given him much problems, but that was a comprehensive win.
He has enough time to recover for IW, although recovering is too extreme a term. He did not drop a set the whole week, and his toughest score was the 4&4 against Novak. He should be fresh.
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:58 pm
by ti-amie
Saturday, March 04, 2023 Day 8 Acapulco
Estadio Starts At 6:30 Pm
F
Alexander Erler/Lucas Miedler VS Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow
Not Before 9:00 Pm
F
(7) Tommy Paul VS (8) Alex de Minaur
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:05 pm
by Owendonovan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:28 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:16 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:41 pm
So to close the issue - I want to understand your position to the fullest. You maintain that if the tennis player lives in Russia and pays taxes to his government, then banning him from tennis tournaments is an act of "vilification"? Is this you stance? I promise it would be my last question on the issue.
No, the vilification is happening on this forum!
Excuse me? This forum was almost unanimous in that Wimbledon had it completely wrong when banning Russians and Belarusians. We were also in agreement that Russian TEAMS should be banned, but not INDIVIDUALS. We were almost in total agreement that, while we felt that Djokovic should not have been allowed to enter Australia, the Aussie Government botched the issue, and mishandled it completely.
And it cuts both ways. We are vilifying Djokovic? How about the opposite position? NOTHING he does is ever wrong. He smacked a ball at a line umpire? Oh, he should have not been defaulted. He crushes the entire field while claiming he had a 30mm hamstring tear? Well, he is that good. Years ago, a ball boy came over to hand him over his towel and Djokovic snapped it to the point the kid got scared? Well, heat of the moment stuff.
We are only calling it for what he does. And, right now, the rules to enter the USA call for vaccination. So, why do you expect those rules not to apply to him? It does not sound to me like we are the ones showing partiality towards the man.
Djokovic doesn't need this forum to be vilified. His vilification is part of HIS product, tennis being the other part.
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:25 pm
by ti-amie
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:29 pm
by ti-amie
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:36 pm
by ti-amie
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:07 pm
by ti-amie
Spinopsys
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spinopsys@aus.social
Alex De Minaur playing Tommy Paul in the final of the Acapulco ATP500. Paul could hardly walk after winning a three and a half hour struggle in his semi-final while ADM took two and a half and walked off at 3am local.
The man who recovers fastest wins and it isn’t going to be Paul who looked trashed after cramping, while his opponent, Taylor Fritz cramped and threw up. ADM’s opponent, Holger Rune, also cramped in the last set and had nothing left to be competitive.
I’m not sure playing in those kinds of conditions is sustainable for the sport #Tennis.
https://aus.social/@spinopsys/109967235584101925
Re: ATP 500 Dubai, Acapulco 2/27 - 3/4 2023
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:23 pm
by ponchi101
In this, I will contradict myself a bit.
ALL the courts in the world are too slow. A 25 stroke rally is nowadays completely usual. If three out of 4 men in their prime physical shape are cramping and throwing up while playing at night in Acapulco, something has to be done to shorten the points.
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They are showing the Dubai final again. Has Rublev evert played a different point? All points are the same: inside out FH's, again and again. And he can't still make a winner.