by ti-amie Tournament: Rolex Monte-Carlo Masters
Location: Monte Carlo, Monaco
Dates: April 09 - April 16 2023
Tier: ATP M1000
Surface: Clay
Prize Money: €5,779,335
Total Financial Commitment: €6,228,295

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Carlos Alcaraz 1 2
2 Novak Djokovic 2 1
3 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
4 Casper Ruud 4 4
5 Daniil Medvedev 5 6
6 Felix Auger-Aliassime 6 10
7 Andrey Rublev 7 7
8 Holger Rune 8 8
9 Hubert Hurkacz 9 11
10 Taylor Fritz 10 5
11 Jannik Sinner 11 13
12 Cameron Norrie 12 12
13 Rafael Nadal 13 9
14 Frances Tiafoe 14 16
15 Alexander Zverev 15 14
16 Karen Khachanov 16 15
Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
Alex de Minaur 18 18
Tommy Paul 19 19
Borna Coric 20 20
Lorenzo Musetti 21 21
Matteo Berrettini 23 23
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 25 28
Sebastian Korda 26 26
Grigor Dimitrov 27 25
Roberto Bautista Agut 28 27
Daniel Evans 29 29
Denis Shapovalov 30 30
Francisco Cerundolo 31 32
Botic van de Zandschulp 32 33
Sebastian Baez 33 35
Yoshihito Nishioka 34 34
Miomir Kecmanovic 35 31
Tallon Griekspoor 36 36
Maxime Cressy 37 37
Diego Schwartzman 38 38
Ben Shelton 39 41
Richard Gasquet 40 43
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 41 42
David Goffin 42 40
Jiri Lehecka 44 47
Brandon Nakashima 45 48
Alexander Bublik 48 46
Benjamin Bonzi 49 45
Gael Monfils 280 35 (PR)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)

Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Albert Ramos-Vinolas 51 50
2 Marc-Andrea Huesler 47 51
3 Nicolas Jarry 57 52
4 Mackenzie McDonald 55 53
5 Laslo Djere 58 54
6 Andy Murray 52 55
7 Jack Draper 43 56
8 Mikael Ymer 53 57
9 Jaume Munar 66 58
10 Emil Ruusuvuori 54 59
11 Lorenzo Sonego 59 60
12 Tomas Martin Etcheverry 73 61
13 Constant Lestienne 60 62
14 Alex Molcan 56 63
15 Federico Coria 67 64
16 Gregoire Barrere 65 65
17 Yibing Wu 64 67
18 Adrian Mannarino 62 68
19 Dusan Lajovic 76 71
20 Arthur Rinderknech 72 72

by ti-amie Qualifying Singles Entry Lists

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Jack Draper 43 43
2 Marc-Andrea Huesler 47 47
3 Albert Ramos-Vinolas 51 51
4 Mikael Ymer 53 53
5 Emil Ruusuvuori 54 54
6 Mackenzie McDonald 55 55
7 Alex Molcan 56 56
8 Nicolas Jarry 57 57
9 Laslo Djere 58 58
10 Lorenzo Sonego 59 59
11 Constant Lestienne 60 60
12 Adrian Mannarino 62 62
13 Yibing Wu 64 64
14 Gregoire Barrere 65 65
Jaume Munar 66 66
Federico Coria 67 67
Nuno Borges 68 68
Arthur Rinderknech 72 72
Marton Fucsovics 74 74
Dusan Lajovic 76 76
Filip Krajinovic 77 77
Ugo Humbert 78 78
Quentin Halys 79 79
Thiago Monteiro 81 81
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)

Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Cristian Garin 82 82
2 Roberto Carballes Baena 84 84
3 Oscar Otte 85 85
4 Juan Pablo Varillas 88 88
5 Fabio Fognini 91 91
6 Alexei Popyrin 93 93
7 Marco Cecchinato 95 95
8 Taro Daniel 97 97
9 Hugo Gaston 98 98
10 Attila Balazs 743 101 (PR)
11 Jan-Lennard Struff 103 103
12 Roman Safiullin 104 104
13 Dominic Thiem 106 106
14 Aslan Karatsev 107 107
15 Arthur Fils 109 109
16 Pedro Martinez 121 121
17 Giulio Zeppieri 124 124
18 Alexandre Muller 129 129
19 Luca Nardi 130 130
20 Yannick Hanfmann 134 134

by ti-amie UPDATED MD Singles Entry Lists

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Carlos Alcaraz 1 2
2 Novak Djokovic 2 1
3 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
4 Casper Ruud 4 4
5 Daniil Medvedev 5 6
6 Felix Auger-Aliassime 6 10
7 Andrey Rublev 7 7
8 Holger Rune 8 8
9 Hubert Hurkacz 9 11
10 Taylor Fritz 10 5
11 Jannik Sinner 11 13
12 Cameron Norrie 12 12
13 Rafael Nadal 13 9
14 Frances Tiafoe 14 16
15 Alexander Zverev 15 14
16 Karen Khachanov 16 15
Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
Alex de Minaur 18 18
Tommy Paul 19 19
Borna Coric 20 20
Lorenzo Musetti 21 21
Matteo Berrettini 23 23
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 25 28
Sebastian Korda 26 26
Grigor Dimitrov 27 25
Roberto Bautista Agut 28 27
Daniel Evans 29 29
Denis Shapovalov 30 30
Francisco Cerundolo 31 32
Botic van de Zandschulp 32 33
Sebastian Baez 33 35
Miomir Kecmanovic 35 31
Tallon Griekspoor 36 36
Maxime Cressy 37 37
Diego Schwartzman 38 38
Ben Shelton 39 41
Richard Gasquet 40 43
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 41 42
David Goffin 42 40
(WC) Jack Draper 43
Jiri Lehecka 44 47
Brandon Nakashima 45 48
Alexander Bublik 48 46
Benjamin Bonzi 49 45
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 51 50
(WC) Stan Wawrinka 87
(WC) Fabio Fognini 91
Gael Monfils 280 35 (PR)
(WC) Valentin Vacherot 322
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)

Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Marc-Andrea Huesler 47 51
2 Nicolas Jarry 57 52
3 Mackenzie McDonald 55 53
4 Laslo Djere 58 54
5 Andy Murray 52 55
7 Mikael Ymer 53 57
8 Jaume Munar 66 58
9 Emil Ruusuvuori 54 59
10 Lorenzo Sonego 59 60
11 Tomas Martin Etcheverry 73 61
12 Constant Lestienne 60 62
13 Alex Molcan 56 63
14 Federico Coria 67 64
15 Gregoire Barrere 65 65
16 Yibing Wu 64 67
17 Adrian Mannarino 62 68
18 Dusan Lajovic 76 71
19 Arthur Rinderknech 72 72
20 Filip Krajinovic 77 74

Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

Yoshihito Nishioka 34 34

by ti-amie UPDATED Qualifying Entry Lists

Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Marc-Andrea Huesler 47 47
2 Mikael Ymer 53 53
3 Emil Ruusuvuori 54 54
4 Mackenzie McDonald 55 55
5 Alex Molcan 56 56
6 Nicolas Jarry 57 57
7 Laslo Djere 58 58
8 Lorenzo Sonego 59 59
9 Constant Lestienne 60 60
10 Adrian Mannarino 62 62
11 Yibing Wu 64 64
12 Gregoire Barrere 65 65
13 Jaume Munar 66 66
14 Federico Coria 67 67
Nuno Borges 68 68
Arthur Rinderknech 72 72
Marton Fucsovics 74 74
Dusan Lajovic 76 76
Filip Krajinovic 77 77
Ugo Humbert 78 78
Quentin Halys 79 79
Thiago Monteiro 81 81
(List frozen) -
(List frozen) -
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)

Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Cristian Garin 82 82
2 Roberto Carballes Baena 84 84
3 Oscar Otte 85 85
4 Juan Pablo Varillas 88 88
5 Alexei Popyrin 93 93
6 Marco Cecchinato 95 95
7 Taro Daniel 97 97
8 Hugo Gaston 98 98
9 Attila Balazs 743 101 (PR)
10 Jan-Lennard Struff 103 103
11 Roman Safiullin 104 104
12 Dominic Thiem 106 106
13 Aslan Karatsev 107 107
14 Arthur Fils 109 109
15 Pedro Martinez 121 121
16 Giulio Zeppieri 124 124
17 Alexandre Muller 129 129
18 Luca Nardi 130 130
19 Yannick Hanfmann 134 134
20 Otto Virtanen 139 139

Withdrawals
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking

Jack Draper 43 43
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 51 51

by ti-amie Doubles Entry Lists

Entries
Seed* Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Wesley Koolhof / Neal Skupski 2 2
2 Rajeev Ram / Joe Salisbury 7 7
3 Nikola Mektic / Mate Pavic 11 11
4 Marcelo Arevalo / Jean-Julien Rojer 14 14
5 Ivan Dodig / Austin Krajicek 19 19
6 Lloyd Glasspool / Harri Heliovaara 25 25
7 Rohan Bopanna / Matthew Ebden 29 29
8 Marcel Granollers / Horacio Zeballos 32 32
Hugo Nys / Jan Zielinski 34 34
Fabrice Martin / Andreas Mies 46 46
Juan Sebastian Cabal / Robert Farah 47 47
Kevin Krawietz / Tim Puetz 47 47
Jamie Murray / Michael Venus 48 48
Rafael Matos / David Vega Hernandez 54 54
Maximo Gonzalez / Andres Molteni 67 67
Simone Bolelli / Fabio Fognini 69 69
Maxime Cressy / Matwe Middelkoop 93 58
Grigor Dimitrov / Hubert Hurkacz 224 36
John Peers / Frances Tiafoe 282 58
Francisco Cerundolo / Daniel Evans 312 60
Marcelo Melo / Alexander Zverev 361 55
Cameron Norrie / Ben Shelton 404 51
Karen Khachanov / Andrey Rublev 408 23
Taylor Fritz / Holger Rune 473 18
Diego Schwartzman / Jannik Sinner 1262 49
(WC) -
(WC) -
(WC) -

Alternates (Advanced)
Names Current Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Santiago Gonzalez / Edouard Roger-Vasselin 68 68
2 Tallon Griekspoor / Botic van de Zandschulp 334 68
3 Nathaniel Lammons / Jackson Withrow 83 83
4 Alexander Erler / Lucas Miedler 88 88
5 Sander Gille / Joran Vliegen 101 101
6 Sadio Doumbia / Fabien Reboul 103 103
7 Tomislav Brkic / Gonzalo Escobar 104 104
8 Nicolas Barrientos / Ariel Behar 116 116
9 Julian Cash / Henry Patten 122 122
10 Andre Goransson / Ben McLachlan 125 125
11 Petros Tsitsipas / Stefanos Tsitsipas 280 125
12 Yuki Bhambri / Saketh Myneni 152 152
13 Roman Jebavy / Adam Pavlasek 165 165
14 N.Sriram Balaji / Jeevan Nedunchezhiyan 173 173
15 Patrik Niklas-Salminen / Bart Stevens 208 208

by ti-amie UPDATED MD Singles Entry Lists

Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Stefanos Tsitsipas 3 3
3 Daniil Medvedev 4 6
4 Casper Ruud 5 4
5 Andrey Rublev 6 7
6 Holger Rune 8 8
7 Jannik Sinner 9 13
8 Taylor Fritz 10 5
9 Karen Khachanov 11 15
10 Hubert Hurkacz 12 11
11 Cameron Norrie 13 12
12 Frances Tiafoe 15 16
13 Alexander Zverev 16 14
14 Tommy Paul 18 19
15 Alex de Minaur 19 18
16 Borna Coric 20 20
Lorenzo Musetti 21 21
Matteo Berrettini 22 23
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 24 28
Grigor Dimitrov 26 25
Sebastian Korda 27 26
Roberto Bautista Agut 28 27
Denis Shapovalov 29 30
Daniel Evans 30 29
Botic van de Zandschulp 31 33
Sebastian Baez 32 35
Francisco Cerundolo 33 32
Tallon Griekspoor 35 36
Diego Schwartzman 36 38
Maxime Cressy 38 37
Ben Shelton 39 41
Miomir Kecmanovic 40 31
Jiri Lehecka 41 47
Richard Gasquet 42 43
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 43 42
Brandon Nakashima 44 48
David Goffin 45 40
Marc-Andrea Huesler 48 51
Benjamin Bonzi 50 45
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 52 50
Mackenzie McDonald 55 53
Alexander Bublik 56 46
Laslo Djere 58 54
Nicolas Jarry 59 52
(WC) Jack Draper 61
(WC) Stan Wawrinka 88
(WC) Fabio Fognini 97
Gael Monfils 324 35 (PR)
(WC) Valentin Vacherot 350
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)

Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking

1 Andy Murray 57 55
2 Jack Draper 61 56 To MD
3 Mikael Ymer 53 57
4 Jaume Munar 83 58
5 Emil Ruusuvuori 37 59
6 Lorenzo Sonego 47 60
7 Tomas Martin Etcheverry 73 61
8 Constant Lestienne 63 62
9 Alex Molcan 51 63
10 Federico Coria 64 64
11 Gregoire Barrere 62 65
12 Yibing Wu 60 67
13 Adrian Mannarino 49 68
14 Dusan Lajovic 68 71
15 Filip Krajinovic 78 74
16 Juan Pablo Varillas 89 76
17 Ugo Humbert 79 77
18 Thiago Monteiro 81 78
19 Roberto Carballes Baena 82 79
20 Oscar Otte 90 82

Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking

Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
Felix Auger-Aliassime 7 10
Rafael Nadal 14 9
Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
Yoshihito Nishioka 34 34

by ti-amie Qualifying Draw

(1) Emil Ruusuvuori
vs (WC) Hugo Nys
Jan-Lennard Struff vs (10) Juan Pablo Varillas

(2) Adrian Mannarino vs (Alt) Ivan Gakhov
(PR) Attila Balazs vs (12) WC Luca Van Assche

(3) Gregoire Barrere vs (WC) Benoit Paire
(Alt) Vit Kopriva vs (13) Alexei Popyrin

(4) Constant Lestienne vs Luca Nardi
Pedro Martinez vs (11) Oscar Otte

(5) Dusan Lajovic vs (Alt) Joao Sousa
(WC) Lucas Catarina vs (9) Ugo Humbert

(6) Marton Fucsovics vs Giulio Zeppieri
Roman Safiullin vs (8) Filip Krajinovic

(7) Alt Ilya Ivashka vs Hugo Gaston
Otto Virtanen vs (14) Taro Daniel

by ti-amie Main Draw - Singles

(1) Novak Djokovic
/Bye
Brandon Nakashima vs Mackenzie McDonald
(WC) Valentin Vacherot vs Qualifier
Miomir Kecmanovic vs (16) Lorenzo Musetti

(10) Hubert Hurkacz vs Laslo Djere
Sebastian Baez vs Jack Draper
Diego Schwartzman vs David Goffin
Bye/(7) Jannik Sinner

(3) Daniil Medvedev/Bye
Qualifier vs (WC) Lorenzo Sonego
Roberto Bautista Agut vs Mikael Ymer
Alexander Bublik vs (13) Alexander Zverev

(11) Cameron Norrie vs Francisco Cerundolo
Maxime Cressy vs Matteo Berrettini
Richard Gasquet vs (WC) Dominic Thiem
Bye/(6) Holger Rune


(5) Andrey Rublev/Bye
Marc-Andrea Huesler vs Jaume Munar
Daniel Evans vs Qualifier
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina vs (9) Karen Khachanov

(14) Alex de Minaur vs Andy Murray
Qualifier vs Albert Ramos-Vinolas
Botic van de Zandschulp vs Qualifier
Bye/(4) Casper Ruud

(8) Taylor Fritz/Bye
(WC) Stan Wawrinka vs Tallon Griekspoor
Ben Shelton vs Grigor Dimitrov
Jiri Lehecka vs (12) Frances Tiafoe

(15) Borna Coric vs Nicolas Jarry
Qualifier vs Qualifier
Benjamin Bonzi vs Bernabe Zapata Miralles
Bye/(2) Stefanos Tsitsipas

by ti-amie Sunday, April 09, 2023 Day 2

Court Rainier III Starts At 11:00 Am


Q2
(1) Emil Ruusuvuori VS Jan-Lennard Struff
Not Before 12:00 Noon
R32
Karen Khachanov/Andrey Rublev VS Jamie Murray/Michael Venus
Followed By
R64
(15) Borna Coric VS Nicolas Jarry
Followed By
R64
(10) Hubert Hurkacz VS Laslo Djere

Court Des Princes Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(6) Marton Fucsovics VS (8) Filip Krajinovic
Followed By
Q2
(WC) Benoit Paire VS (13) Alexei Popyrin
Not Before 2:00 Pm
R32
Diego Schwartzman/Jannik Sinner VS (8) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
Followed By
R64
Marc-Andrea Huesler VS Jaume Munar

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am


Q2
Luca Nardi VS (11) Oscar Otte
Not Before 12:30 Pm
Q2
(5) Dusan Lajovic VS (9) Ugo Humbert
Not Before 2:00 Pm
R32
Cameron Norrie/Ben Shelton VS Kevin Krawietz/Tim Puetz

Court 9 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(7) Alt Ilya Ivashka VS (14) Taro Daniel
Not Before 12:30 Pm
Q2
(Alt) Ivan Gakhov VS (12) WC Luca Van Assche

by JazzNU Didn't realize the first round was starting tomorrow. There might be a legitimate issue for players in Houston getting there on time. Tiafoe is the main one who is at risk, but not sure if Special Exemption would typically apply here as well.

by Deuce Only players who are entered in the qualifying round are eligible for a 'Special Exempt'. If such player is playing another tournament before, and goes deep in the previous tournament, thus not allowing him to reach the following tournament destination in time to play his first qualifying match, he can receive a 'Special Exempt' - but he has to apply for it first.

In Tiafoe's case, they will likely just give him the latest start date/time possible.

by ti-amie Monday, April 10, 2023 Day 3

Court Rainier III Starts At 11:00 Am


(WC) Stan Wawrinka VS Tallon Griekspoor
Followed By
Maxime Cressy VS Matteo Berrettini
Followed By
(14) Alex de Minaur
VS Andy Murray
Followed By
Richard Gasquet VS (WC) Dominic Thiem

Court Des Princes Starts At 11:00 Am

(11) Cameron Norrie
VS Francisco Cerundolo
Followed By
Sebastian Baez VS Jack Draper
Followed By
Diego Schwartzman VS David Goffin
Followed By
Roberto Bautista Agut VS (LL) Filip Krajinovic

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

Benjamin Bonzi VS Bernabe Zapata Miralles
Followed By
(Q) Jan-Lennard Struff VS Albert Ramos-Vinolas
Followed By
(WC) Petros Tsitsipas/Stefanos Tsitsipas VS Grigor Dimitrov/Hubert Hurkacz
Followed By
Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski VS (5) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek

Court 9 Starts At 11:00 Am

Botic van de Zandschulp VS (Q) Marton Fucsovics
Followed By
(Q) Ivan Gakhov VS Mackenzie McDonald
Followed By
Simone Bolelli/Lorenzo Musetti VS Taylor Fritz/Holger Rune

Court 11 Starts At 11:00 Am

(7) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
VS Rafael Matos/David Vega Hernandez
Not Before 12:30 Pm
(LL) Dusan Lajovic VS (Q) Alexei Popyrin
Followed By
Francisco Cerundolo/Daniel Evans VS Fabrice Martin/Andreas Mies

by ponchi101 Ouch! Gasquet/Thiem. Bad luck for both.

by ponchi101 Hurkacz beat Djere 6/7(5) - 7/6(5) - 7/6(5). I guess you can't cut it closer.

by ponchi101 Thiem is looking very good against Gasquet. I know, it is not a huge litmus test, but they are going full macho on the BH's and are crushing it.
I say he is still running around his BH too much. With such a sledgehammer, why do so?

by ti-amie Tuesday, April 11, 2023 Day 4

Court Rainier III Starts At 11:00 Am


Alexander Bublik VS (13) Alexander Zverev
Followed By
(5) Andrey Rublev
VS Jaume Munar
Followed By
(1) Novak Djokovic
VS (Q) Ivan Gakhov
Followed By
Benjamin Bonzi VS (2) Stefanos Tsitsipas

Court Des Princes Starts At 11:00 Am

Ben Shelton VS Grigor Dimitrov
Followed By
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina VS (9) Karen Khachanov
Followed By
Miomir Kecmanovic VS (16) Lorenzo Musetti
Followed By
(10) Hubert Hurkacz
VS Jack Draper

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

(Q) Ugo Humbert VS (WC) Lorenzo Sonego
Followed By
(WC) Valentin Vacherot VS (Q) Luca Nardi
Not Before 2:00 Pm
Daniel Evans VS (Q) Ilya Ivashka

Court 9 Starts At 11:00 Am

Jiri Lehecka VS (LL) Emil Ruusuvuori
Followed By
(6) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
VS (WC) Nicolas Mahut/Stan Wawrinka
Followed By
(4) Nikola Mektic/Mate Pavic
VS Taylor Fritz/Holger Rune

Court 11 Starts At 11:00 Am

Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni VS Maxime Cressy/Matwe Middelkoop
Not Before 12:30 Pm
Fabrice Martin/Andreas Mies VS Diego Schwartzman/Jannik Sinner

by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:17 pm Thiem is looking very good against Gasquet. I know, it is not a huge litmus test, but they are going full macho on the BH's and are crushing it.
I say he is still running around his BH too much. With such a sledgehammer, why do so?
Maybe the wrist...still protecting it?

by ashkor87 Monte Carlo is important for so many reasons...not only the first big clay event, it has also been a good predictor of the entire clay circuit...certainly expect Djokovic to win, he is officially a resident and he is fresh and hungry, I expect...no Alcaraz and no Nadal either ..

we must see what Sinner and Medvedev do on clay... this is their big opportunity with two giants not in the draw..

by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:00 am
ponchi101 wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:17 pm Thiem is looking very good against Gasquet. I know, it is not a huge litmus test, but they are going full macho on the BH's and are crushing it.
I say he is still running around his BH too much. With such a sledgehammer, why do so?
Maybe the wrist...still protecting it?
That would be an odd way of protecting it. When he hits his FH, he loops his wrist a lot. On the BH, like almost all power BH's, he locks the wrist. So if anything, I say he needs to hit more BH's, if his goal is to protect the wrist.
Let's see him against Rune. That can be a real test.

by ashkor87 these things are mostly in the mind.. when you are coming back from injury, especially

by skatingfan
ashkor87 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:03 am certainly expect Djokovic to win, he is officially a resident and he is fresh and hungry, I expect
Novak hasn't made it past the quarters at Monte Carlo since 2015. I think the courts play too slow for him.

by ashkor87
skatingfan wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:50 am
ashkor87 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:03 am certainly expect Djokovic to win, he is officially a resident and he is fresh and hungry, I expect
Novak hasn't made it past the quarters at Monte Carlo since 2015. I think the courts play too slow for him.
hmm.. i hadnt realized his record was so bad.. though I do think he will do better this year - he is hungrier, has to redeem himself after a lot of missed tournaments.. Djokovic is the one player who can adapt to any court speed, so I am not too concerned about the speed of the court here..

by ashkor87
skatingfan wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:50 am
ashkor87 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:03 am certainly expect Djokovic to win, he is officially a resident and he is fresh and hungry, I expect
Novak hasn't made it past the quarters at Monte Carlo since 2015. I think the courts play too slow for him.
you could be right.. watching Djokovic versus Gakhov.. struggling to win points! never seen him so ineffective on ANY surface..

by ponchi101 He still won the first set, in the TB, even though he hit 8 winners and 17 UE's.
But yes, I don't think he will win it.

by ti-amie Wednesday, April 12, 2023 Day 5

Court Rainier III Starts At 11:00 Am


Botic van de Zandschulp VS (4) Casper Ruud
Followed By
Diego Schwartzman VS (7) Jannik Sinner
Followed By
(3) Daniil Medvedev
VS (WC) Lorenzo Sonego
Followed By
(WC) Dominic Thiem VS (6) Holger Rune

Court Des Princes Starts At 11:00 Am

Roberto Bautista Agut VS (13) Alexander Zverev
Followed By
Grigor Dimitrov VS Jiri Lehecka
Followed By
(8) Taylor Fritz
VS (WC) Stan Wawrinka
Followed By
Francisco Cerundolo VS Matteo Berrettini

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

(14) Alex de Minaur
VS (Q) Jan-Lennard Struff
Followed By
(Q) Luca Nardi VS (16) Lorenzo Musetti
Followed By
(WC) Petros Tsitsipas/Stefanos Tsitsipas VS (3) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer

Court 9 Starts At 11:00 Am

Nicolas Jarry VS (Q) Alexei Popyrin
Followed By
(Q) Ilya Ivashka VS (9) Karen Khachanov
Followed By / After Suitable Rest
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Karen Khachanov/Andrey Rublev

Court 11 Starts At 11:00 Am

(Alt) Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin VS Juan Sebastian Cabal/Robert Farah
Followed By
(7) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
VS Kevin Krawietz/Tim Puetz
Followed By / After Suitable Rest
Marcelo Melo/Alexander Zverev VS (WC) Romain Arneodo/Sam Weissborn

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by ponchi101 Bonzi's injury was of the freak kind. Hit one BH, immediately winced in pain.

by ti-amie Thursday, April 13, 2023 Day 6

Court Rainier III Starts At 11:00 Am

(10) Hubert Hurkacz
VS (7) Jannik Sinner
Followed By
Nicolas Jarry VS (2) Stefanos Tsitsipas
Followed By
(1) Novak Djokovic
VS (16) Lorenzo Musetti
Followed By
(3) Daniil Medvedev
VS (13) Alexander Zverev

Court Des Princes Starts At 11:00 Am

(Q) Jan-Lennard Struff VS (4) Casper Ruud
Not Before 12:30 Pm
(5) Andrey Rublev
VS (9) Karen Khachanov
Followed By
(8) Taylor Fritz
VS Jiri Lehecka
Followed By
Matteo Berrettini VS (6) Holger Rune

Court 2 Starts At 11:00 Am

(6) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara
VS Andres Molteni
Followed By
Juan Sebastian Cabal/Robert Farah VS (5) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek
Followed By
(WC) Romain Arneodo/Sam Weissborn VS (2) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury

by ashkor87 Medvedev looking quite good thus far ..against Sonego..zverev next! He surely can't beat zverev, can he?!

by ponchi101 Yes, he can. They have a good record against each other.
On clay, I would not put any money on him, but Zverev has also yet to come back to his former level. That was a brutal injury.
I say. Zverev 60%.

by ti-amie Friday, April 14, 2023 Day 7

Court Rainier III Starts At 11:00 Am

QF
(5) Andrey Rublev VS (Q) Jan-Lennard Struff
Followed By
QF
(8) Taylor Fritz VS (2) Stefanos Tsitsipas
Followed By
QF
(3) Daniil Medvedev Or (13) Alexander Zverev VS (6) Holger Rune
Followed By
QF
(16) Lorenzo Musetti VS (7) Jannik Sinner

Court Des Princes Starts At 11:00 Am

QF
Kevin Krawietz/Tim Puetz VS (3) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer
Followed By
QF
(6) Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara VS (WC) Romain Arneodo/Sam Weissborn
Followed By
QF
(1) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS Fabrice Martin/Andreas Mies
Followed By / After Suitable Rest
QF
Taylor Fritz/Holger Rune VS (5) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek

by ponchi101 Zverev did everything possible to lose that match. Served for it twice, had MP in the TB.
On the other hand. Medvedev's movement on clay has improved a lot. He is sliding well, and his very-back return position makes no difference. A second cow on ice that will master the surface?

by ashkor87
skatingfan wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:50 am
ashkor87 wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:03 am certainly expect Djokovic to win, he is officially a resident and he is fresh and hungry, I expect
Novak hasn't made it past the quarters at Monte Carlo since 2015. I think the courts play too slow for him.
you were right.. Djokovic seems to need more match practice.. he hasnt played in over a month, and generally Monte Carlo is the first clay court event after a long hard court tout that Djokovic does well at, usually... either way seems to be bad for him!

by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:58 pm Zverev did everything possible to lose that match. Served for it twice, had MP in the TB.
On the other hand. Medvedev's movement on clay has improved a lot. He is sliding well, and his very-back return position makes no difference. A second cow on ice that will master the surface?
could be!
but Zverev is known to get passive at the wrong time, a bit like Sloane... relies too much on his defence!

by ashkor87 Fritz is likely to do well on clay...he has the power..a bit slow on his feet but that doesn't matter on clay. Like a male Sabalenka!

by ponchi101 Good call on Fritz doing well on clay. Beating Stefanos qualifies for that.
I wonder why you say that being slow on clay does not matter. I think the opposite. One of my strengths of clay was that I was fast enough to get to drop shots, and I had proper recovery after sliding. It is a different recovery, because players can't slide on hards as they can slide on clay, but the footwork is crucial.
And Fritz is light on his feet, which helps a lot. As a matter of fact, he is light all over, which may do him well for longevity.

by ponchi101 Rune is not running around Medvedev, but he seems very comfortable on court right now. Throwing some very timely serve and volleys to keep Daniil off.

by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:45 pm Good call on Fritz doing well on clay. Beating Stefanos qualifies for that.
I wonder why you say that being slow on clay does not matter. I think the opposite. One of my strengths of clay was that I was fast enough to get to drop shots, and I had proper recovery after sliding. It is a different recovery, because players can't slide on hards as they can slide on clay, but the footwork is crucial.
And Fritz is light on his feet, which helps a lot. As a matter of fact, he is light all over, which may do him well for longevity.
I just think everybody at the pro level is fast enough to get to anything on clay...so it isn't a differentiator at that level...on faster courts, you have less time, so foot speed helps .

by Owendonovan
ponchi101 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:45 pm Good call on Fritz doing well on clay. Beating Stefanos qualifies for that.
I wonder why you say that being slow on clay does not matter. I think the opposite. One of my strengths of clay was that I was fast enough to get to drop shots, and I had proper recovery after sliding. It is a different recovery, because players can't slide on hards as they can slide on clay, but the footwork is crucial.
And Fritz is light on his feet, which helps a lot. As a matter of fact, he is light all over, which may do him well for longevity.
I was impressed with how well he slides on the clay, kinda atypical for American men.

by ponchi101 Rune in two routine sets, a well played match.
First clay court masters. Not one single top four player in the semis.
(I know, Carlitos did not come, but still a bit... unexpected?)

by Suliso Sinner vs Rune might be interesting

by ponchi101 Agree. Remember Rune recently said he would like to be a part of a new "big three", and he mentioned Carlitos and Sinner as the other two there. So, could be a good start to a good rivaly.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:58 pm Zverev did everything possible to lose that match. Served for it twice, had MP in the TB.
On the other hand. Medvedev's movement on clay has improved a lot. He is sliding well, and his very-back return position makes no difference. A second cow on ice that will master the surface?
No, that was an grossly overused phrased where Maria was concerned as she never sucked on clay the way it was played up to be. To a lesser extent but still worth noting, Daniil has been to the SF here and to the Barcelona Finals in previous years, which is easily one of the most stacked 500 level events on tour. I can't remember who he beat on his SF run in Monte Carlo, but as is typical with the event, they were noteworthy wins over guys who can play on the surface. The guy who has lived in France since he was a teenager is not nearly as bad on clay as he and others try to pretend he is, it's that he's not as good as he is on hard courts and grumpy Daniil makes regular appearances because of it. It's definitely in his head to a certain extent. When this "terrible on clay" persona of his wasn't a thing a few years ago, he was actually winning on clay.

by JazzNU Tsitsipas wrote this on the camera screen after his win over Jarry yesterday. Including the top reply as I wholeheartedly agree.



by JazzNU Fritz today after beating Stefanos



by JazzNU
JazzNU wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:26 pm
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:58 pm Zverev did everything possible to lose that match. Served for it twice, had MP in the TB.
On the other hand. Medvedev's movement on clay has improved a lot. He is sliding well, and his very-back return position makes no difference. A second cow on ice that will master the surface?
No, that was an grossly overused phrased where Maria was concerned as she never sucked on clay the way it was played up to be. To a lesser extent but still worth noting, Daniil has been to the SF here and to the Barcelona Finals in previous years, which is easily one of the most stacked 500 level events on tour. I can't remember who he beat on his SF run in Monte Carlo, but as is typical with the event, they were noteworthy wins over guys who can play on the surface. The guy who has lived in France since he was a teenager is not nearly as bad on clay as he and others try to pretend he is, it's that he's not as good as he is on hard courts and grumpy Daniil makes regular appearances because of it. It's definitely in his head to a certain extent. When this "terrible on clay" persona of his wasn't a thing a few years ago, he was actually winning on clay.

Danill beat Tsitsipas when he was ranked #8 and Djokovic when he was ranked #1 during in his run to the Monte Carlo SF in 2019.

by ponchi101 Well, then tell him that because he himself has said he is not good on clay. Plus, he had never won an event on it, so certainly his least successful surface.
But sure, he is not as bad as others.
And the "cow on ice" quote about Sharapova came from herself. So I was using it in that context. She won 6 slams/premier tournaments on that surface, so indeed she was not bad either.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:02 pm Well, then tell him that because he himself has said he is not good on clay. Plus, he had never won an event on it, so certainly his least successful surface.
But sure, he is not as bad as others.
And the "cow on ice" quote about Sharapova came from herself. So I was using it in that context. She won 6 slams/premier tournaments on that surface, so indeed she was not bad either.
I already said it was in his head. He's been leaning into the persona as much as others have.

And I know where the quote came from. It was repeated far too much after the fact by everyone for my liking especially because people acted like she repeatedly lost in the first round at every clay court tournament before she turned things around, which just wasn't the case.

by JTContinental Fritz is the first American to make the SF here since Vince Spadea in 2003

by Suliso Fritz is probably the best US player since Roddick retired. Not maybe a mighty high bar, but still.

by Suliso Fritz and Rune with one MS title each. Sinner and Rublev have lost in the finals twice.

Really hard to pick a winner here. I'm rooting for Sinner.

by mmmm8 Zverev said Medvedev was "one of the most unfair players ever" because Medvedev took a toilet break, so Medvedev had some thoughts.

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by nelslus
mmmm8 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:15 pm Zverev said Medvedev was "one of the most unfair players ever" because Medvedev took a toilet break, so Medvedev had some thoughts.

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OK, sure I'm not getting over Medvedev's behaviors on the court in his pretty recent past. But, you know what? If I have a very recent history of "allegedly" beating up (at least) one girlfriend- I at am going to have enough common sense (or my PR team is gonna stress this enough) to get that I need to keep a very, very low profile, and that i am in no position to question any other player's behaviors. Ever, I.E.- STFU.

by nelslus
JTContinental wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:01 pm Fritz is the first American to make the SF here since Vince Spadea in 2003
....Who is otherwise known as "Other". :gorgeous:

by nelslus Never mind.

by nelslus Never mind- the sequel. :gorgeous:

by ponchi101
nelslus wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:16 pm ...

OK, sure I'm not getting over Medvedev's behaviors on the court in his pretty recent past. But, you know what? If I have a very recent history of "allegedly" beating up (at least) one girlfriend- I at am going to have enough common sense (or my PR team is gonna stress this enough) to get that I need to keep a very, very low profile, and that i am in no position to question any other player's behaviors. Ever, I.E.- STFU.
So, the fact that the ATP issued a statement saying they found no evidence of this happening means nothing? We spoke about this; the ATP, and even the legal system, never pronounces anybody "innocent". You get a "not guilty" or, as was this case, "no proofs of the allegation".
It makes no difference? He will always be seen as an abuser?

by JazzNU Medvedev telling someone to look at yourself in the mirror feels mighty rich to me. Sascha has the one time on court that he was worse, but Daniil really racks up the points on consistency when it comes to bad behavior during his matches. I mean it is near constant. The real issue is the enforcement with him, he doesn't get warned and fined at anywhere near the rate he actually breaks the rule, it's damn near Kyrgios like the way he avoids it right now.

by ti-amie Saturday, April 15, 2023 Day 8

Court Rainier III Starts At 11:30 Am


SF
Kevin Krawietz/Tim Puetz VS (WC) Romain Arneodo/Sam Weissborn
Not Before 1:30 Pm
SF
(5) Andrey Rublev VS (8) Taylor Fritz
Not Before 3:30 Pm
SF
(7) Jannik Sinner VS (6) Holger Rune
Followed By
SF
Fabrice Martin/Andreas Mies VS (5) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek

by ti-amie I don't know how many of you remember and maybe I do because of posting OoP's and draws for so long but Fritz was playing here and other European clay court events for at least the last 3-5 years. He wasn't doing well but he was learning, and he was the only young US player doing so. He is still learning but I'm not surprised he's done well here. It's not a surprise to me and it's why I low key support him.

As far as US players are concerned I think he's the #1. In another year or two Shelton may be nipping at his heels but right now Shelton is doing what Fritz did. He knows he might not win but he's getting first had knowledge of what the stuff feels like underfoot and how to adjust his game to suit it.

Is Tiafoe in the top three US mix? The European swing will be very important for him also. Rome of course is the big test for all of them.

by mmmm8
ponchi101 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:24 pm
nelslus wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:16 pm ...

OK, sure I'm not getting over Medvedev's behaviors on the court in his pretty recent past. But, you know what? If I have a very recent history of "allegedly" beating up (at least) one girlfriend- I at am going to have enough common sense (or my PR team is gonna stress this enough) to get that I need to keep a very, very low profile, and that i am in no position to question any other player's behaviors. Ever, I.E.- STFU.
So, the fact that the ATP issued a statement saying they found no evidence of this happening means nothing? We spoke about this; the ATP, and even the legal system, never pronounces anybody "innocent". You get a "not guilty" or, as was this case, "no proofs of the allegation".
It makes no difference? He will always be seen as an abuser?

If you want to go for accuracy, the investigation said insufficient evidence, not no evidence or no proof.

Nelslus' post actually just states the fact that he was accused and would be wise to not give interviews where he comes off as a douche, which has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:53 pm I don't know how many of you remember and maybe I do because of posting OoP's and draws for so long but Fritz was playing here and other European clay court events for at least the last 3-5 years. He wasn't doing well but he was learning, and he was the only young US player doing so. He is still learning but I'm not surprised he's done well here. It's not a surprise to me and it's why I low key support him.

As far as US players are concerned I think he's the #1. In another year or two Shelton may be nipping at his heels but right now Shelton is doing what Fritz did. He knows he might not win but he's getting first had knowledge of what the stuff feels like underfoot and how to adjust his game to suit it.

Is Tiafoe in the top three US mix? The European swing will be very important for him also. Rome of course is the big test for all of them.
I remember. Every other question to Vika and Serena was about the whereabouts of Leo and Olympia and we were supposed to be praising Fritz for playing the clay court season away from his kid with barely a question about his whereabouts.

And I was never good with the characterization that he was "the only young US player" that went to European clay courts. He was not. He was the one the getting praised for it, not the only one there. Because he's who they wanted to be the #1 US player, so everything about him got spun to a positive. And it was always ignored that he was one who could afford to go to Europe for an extended time without question no matter what the career earnings were at the time. Which goes back to Ruud's comment about the changes made to the scheduling.

I don't mind Fritz, and I have no problem watching his matches and depending on the opponent, might even root for him as I did today.


I don't understand the framing of Frances at all as a top 3 with a question mark. Just reached a career high ranking of 11 this week. Unless there is an undercover American in the top 10, he's unquestionably in the Top 3.

by ti-amie Frances seems to be taking tennis seriously now and has since he dropped his friend as his coach. Based on what Dustin Brown said about his attitude during their doubles play and how they echoed Serena's from a couple of years ago I'm always afraid he'll slip back into old habits. I guess what I'm saying is that I want to see him consistently play at the level he did in Houston.

As it stands he'll be seeded #11 at both Madrid and Rome since both Entry Lists reflect the rankings. The scheduling of these tournaments is brutal.

by ponchi101
mmmm8 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:34 pm ...


If you want to go for accuracy, the investigation said insufficient evidence, not no evidence or no proof.

Nelslus' post actually just states the fact that he was accused and would be wise to not give interviews where he comes off as a douche, which has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.
Which is the point. He is giving an interview about the behavior of an opponent during a match which, in this view, he should not give because he was accused of a domestic violence case for which there was "insufficient evidence". But, because he is talking about this opponent's behavior, we have to remember and judge him for the alleged case, not take the statement about this match as a separate issue.
I was watching the match, and Daniil's break was a bit strategic. I can see why Zverev would be a bit angry, especially since he lost. And I wonder who of the two players here came out as a douche (and I am not a fan of either player, although I really like Zverev's game and dislike Daniil's).

by ashkor87 Isner was pretty good on clay - don't know his record but in a Davis Cup match I watched, he almost beat Nadal,! Big serve and big forehand will win you a lot of points, especially on clay, even if your movement is not great ..which is why I am not surprised at Fritz...the fact that he has put in the work to learn how clay feels, as noted above,, us certainly commendable too..self-awareness !

by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:22 pm Frances seems to be taking tennis seriously now and has since he dropped his friend as his coach.
His friend served him well as coach and is the main reason Michael Mmoh is having the best year of his career. Ever consider why the tennis community talked down about him when he was Frances' coach?

by nelslus
ponchi101 wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:24 pmSo, the fact that the ATP issued a statement saying they found no evidence of this happening means nothing? We spoke about this; the ATP, and even the legal system, never pronounces anybody "innocent". You get a "not guilty" or, as was this case, "no proofs of the allegation".
It makes no difference? He will always be seen as an abuser?
First of all, I don't know what "we" all have been discussing- much less any definitive conclusions that had been made. I've gone MIA for a bit.

Historically, rape and assaults against women do not get convictions. Why so many women do not come forward after rapes and assaults. Why go through all of that when there is a good chance that the offender won't get convicted, and they won't be believed?

So, at least, he should consider how calling anyone else out on their behavior will come off.

In any case- yes, I will continue to see him as an abuser. And I'm not alone with this.

by ti-amie
JazzNU wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:57 am
ti-amie wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:22 pm Frances seems to be taking tennis seriously now and has since he dropped his friend as his coach.
His friend served him well as coach and is the main reason Michael Mmoh is having the best year of his career. Ever consider why the tennis community talked down about him when he was Frances' coach?
Could it be both Frances and his friend learned a lot from their shared experience?

by ashkor87 curious to see how Sinner does here, I keep thinking he is better on faster courts - if that is so, Rune should beat him here ..I certainly dont expect Rublev to beat Fritz..he hasnt been able to, much, on hard courts, and Fritz is playing well here..

by ponchi101 With the rain and the conditions, this is becoming almost impossible to hit a winner. This will become just a physical contest.

by Owendonovan There's only a few women I would encourage to spend time alone with Sascha; Lauren Bobert, Majorie Green, Jelena Ostapenko, Ginni Thomas, and just about any woman with the last name trump. 8-)

by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:50 pm With the rain and the conditions, this is becoming almost impossible to hit a winner. This will become just a physical contest.
I guess they think spectators like it...I certainly don't but then ..

by JazzNU
ti-amie wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:50 am
JazzNU wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:57 am
ti-amie wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:22 pm Frances seems to be taking tennis seriously now and has since he dropped his friend as his coach.
His friend served him well as coach and is the main reason Michael Mmoh is having the best year of his career. Ever consider why the tennis community talked down about him when he was Frances' coach?
Could it be both Frances and his friend learned a lot from their shared experience?
Yes, I'm sure they did learn a lot from their shared experience, but I would hope you caught on to the undertones of the comments about him long ago. He was his friend, yes, but also his coach. Why not refer to him as such? It wasn't a short term arrangement. Why act like he's just his friend and not a former collegiate tennis player that became a coach?

by JazzNU If Rune thinks the next Big 3 are him, Alcaraz and Sinner (they aren't, but let's go with the delusion), does he realize he's the Djokovic personality that will be the least liked of the group? He stays acting like brat.

by ponchi101
JazzNU wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:24 pm If Rune thinks the next Big 3 are him, Alcaraz and Sinner (they aren't, but let's go with the delusion), does he realize he's the Djokovic personality that will be the least liked of the group? He stays acting like brat.
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
And now we are only waiting for Ringo/Andy... ;)

by ti-amie The Rune vs Sinner match was good but at one point in the third set Sinner lost a game to love I think and I thought to myself that he was tiring.
Rune won 1-6, 7-5, 7-5


by ti-amie Sunday, April 16, 2023 Day 9

Court Rainier III Starts At 12:00 Noon


F
(5) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek VS (WC) Romain Arneodo/Sam Weissborn
Not Before 2:30 Pm
F
(6) Holger Rune VS (5) Andrey Rublev

by ponchi101 Of course, ESPN down here cut to Italian Football and did not show the Sinner/Rune match. So I can't gauge anything.
Tomorrow: Rune in three? :?

by ti-amie I'm hoping Andrey in two. If it goes three Ponchi is correct.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:28 pm Of course, ESPN down here cut to Italian Football and did not show the Sinner/Rune match. So I can't gauge anything.
Tomorrow: Rune in three? :?
That sucks, sorry you didn't get to watch.

I don't want this to be the case, but I'd go with the brat in straight sets if I had to pick. If it's 3 sets, that would be a good sign to me that grumpy but likable Andrey has a better chance in this match than I'm thinking.

by ashkor87 For the next 3 years at least, the big 3 would be Djokovic, Medvedev and Alcaraz...people seem to think Djokovic and Medvedev are retired!!

by ponchi101 Nope. We haven't forgotten. And, Rune said he would like to be part of a new Big Three, down the road. He made no claims he, or Sinner and Alcaraz, already are.

by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:06 am Nope. We haven't forgotten. And, Rune said he would like to be part of a new Big Three, down the road. He made no claims he, or Sinner and Alcaraz, already are.
By the time Djokovic and Medvedev leave, anything could happen ..as Djokovic rightly said, 'nextgen' is us ..

by JazzNU Yes, that's correct, he was talking about the future. For me, I reject the mere idea. Maybe this group will warrant a moniker in the future, but they aren't anywhere near worthy of being considered in the same convo as Murray let alone the Big 3. So head down, get to work, win a boatload of grand slams and Masters 1000s, and when you don't win, be in the semis of the grand majority of events that you enter, and we shall see. For now, I don't want to hear it. Tsitsipas, Zverev, Raonic, Nishikori, Kyrgios and Dimitrov are some examples of players that came after that were all supposedly going to be the next big thing and seriously challenge the aging Big 3 at the majors and there's not a single grand slam title among them to date. Let's see where we are in 5 years and then 10 years. Pipe down until you've done significantly more.

by JazzNU For those that didn't get to see the match, if you see that Sinner was less than pleased with Rune at the end of the match. Here is why. As they say in the video, it happenened twice in the match.



by Deuce ^ I don't know what happened on the first one, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with the one in the video. Sinner hit a shot that looked to be 6 to 8 inches beyond the baseline, and Rune, of course, had to play it because it wasn't 2 yards out.
This happens about 10 times in every match between any two players.
And Sinner even walked into the path of the ball.

As usual, much ado about nothing...

by ashkor87 Yes, too many players hit loose balls, after the point is over. Even at the club level ..I have been hit several times, once in the eye, by a stray ball after the point was over- you drop your guard...quite dangerous ..Rune should have been defaulted..he missed, is that a virtue,? Djokovic did get defaulted...

by ashkor87 Sinner doesn't seem to move as well on clay as he does on hard...Rune moves much better..Sinner seemed not totally stable sometimes when he hits the shot..

by Suliso Sinner definitely does better on hard courts, but he did have a chance in this match too...

by Suliso Rune has now won three straight sets at 7-5...

by ponchi101 With Rune in this one. The ball landed close enough to the line, and he just simply hit it back. And he did raise his hands in apology.
ashkor87 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:06 am Yes, too many players hit loose balls, after the point is over. Even at the club level ..I have been hit several times, once in the eye, by a stray ball after the point was over- you drop your guard...quite dangerous ..Rune should have been defaulted..he missed, is that a virtue,? Djokovic did get defaulted...
Serious here. Do you believe Rune was trying to hit Sinner, on purpose?
And Djokovic. He hit a lines person, not his opponent. After the point, and game, were over, by carelessly hitting a ball. Which is written in the rules as a reason for default. Why is the concept of RULES so hard to understand?

by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:42 pm Rune has now won three straight sets at 7-5...
Let's see how he recovers. That was a sloppy 2nd set.
(IF he recovers).

by Suliso So far he has recovered just fine, but of course only one break separating the two.

by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:21 pm With Rune in this one. The ball landed close enough to the line, and he just simply hit it back. And he did raise his hands in apology.
ashkor87 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:06 am Yes, too many players hit loose balls, after the point is over. Even at the club level ..I have been hit several times, once in the eye, by a stray ball after the point was over- you drop your guard...quite dangerous ..Rune should have been defaulted..he missed, is that a virtue,? Djokovic did get defaulted...
Serious here. Do you believe Rune was trying to hit Sinner, on purpose?
And Djokovic. He hit a lines person, not his opponent. After the point, and game, were over, by carelessly hitting a ball. Which is written in the rules as a reason for default. Why is the concept of RULES so hard to understand?
Why be so rude? Isn't there a civilized way of saying it?

by ponchi101 Didn't mean to be rude. Sorry if it came across that way.
But, Djokovic broke the rules on that occasion. That is what puzzles me about your statement.

by JazzNU
ponchi101 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:21 pm With Rune in this one. The ball landed close enough to the line, and he just simply hit it back. And he did raise his hands in apology.
He was a hothead for a good portion of that match, being antagonistic in general. Intentionally hit the ball at him? Maybe not, but recklessly hit the ball hard not caring where it landed? Definitely. And again, he did it twice.

And like today, he rocketed a ball into the crowd recklessly and then did it AGAIN a moment later.

That apology he gave was the definition of a joke. To say he didn't mean it and was just trying not to piss Carlos Bernardes off more than he already was is an understatement. He was a malcontent through most of the match and Carlos had to talk to him several times about not making things worse.

by ponchi101 Well, that is one problem with not being consistent (the chair umpires). Today, even though it was indeed a crucial point of the match, he should have been given a point penalty. First ball out, warning, second ball out, point penalty.
Remember, ESPN cut from yesterday's match so I did not see any of it.
And he remains a strange kid. Today he was behaving well, doing nothing mayor (the incessant moping to his box is by now simply part of the package), and then he does the silly two-ball stunt.
You said it. He will be like Novak (in behavior, I am not saying he will reach the same records). One good thing here, another there, and then, boom!, a silly comment or action that deflates the balloon.

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About the tennis. A good match, except for that second to last game by Rune. Missing one smash in one game is one thing. Missing two, that was indeed sucky.

by JazzNU Thrilled to have picked wrong in this final. Glad Andrey finally got a Masters title. I wasn't sure it was going to happen for him at any point, but figured here or Paris Indoors were the most likely places for it to happen since they seem to be the ones with more outlying title holders and semi-finalists. Maybe this will free him up a bit more at future Masters tournaments and Grand Slams. He's so hard on himself during the match for such a affable guy off the court.

by ti-amie








by ponchi101 My GF tells me that he thanked the crowd for being supportive, "despite of where I come from".
I don't think I will ever be a fan because the game is something that does not thrill me (still, much better than Medvedev's) but as a person, I would not mind one bit having a couple of beers with him.

by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:22 pm My GF tells me that he thanked the crowd for being supportive, "despite of where I come from".
I don't think I will ever be a fan because the game is something that does not thrill me (still, much better than Medvedev's) but as a person, I would not mind one bit having a couple of beers with him.
I thought I posted it here.

Christopher Clarey 🇺🇸 🇫🇷 🇪🇸 :verified_legacy: 🤖
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"Being from country that I am and getting so much international support, it means a lot"

Russian Andrey Rublev, who has made his anti-war views clear, in the Monte Carlo trophy ceremony after winning the title.

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by Deuce As usual, heavy, heavy bias against Rune from those who *claim* to be 'tolerant', 'non-judgemental', etc.
It's so predictable.
The criticism is all packed up and ready to be unleashed - it's pre-determined. The kid could help an old lady to cross the street, and these people would find something to criticize about him.
Sigh...

Had Sinner done the exact same thing(s) as Rune, these same people who lambaste Rune at every opportunity wouldn't say a word.
The very definition of bias and prejudice...

by Owendonovan
Deuce wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:28 pm As usual, heavy, heavy bias against Rune from those who *claim* to be 'tolerant', 'non-judgemental', etc.
It's so predictable.
The criticism is all packed up and ready to be unleashed - it's pre-determined. The kid could help an old lady to cross the street, and these people would find something to criticize about him.
Sigh...

Had Sinner done the exact same thing(s) as Rune, these same people who lambaste Rune at every opportunity wouldn't say a word.
The very definition of bias and prejudice...
Like Rune behaving poorly?

But he didn't.

by Deuce Give me a break, Owen... It's as obvious as can be that some of you are absolutely focussing on and targeting Rune so that no matter what he does, you'll see it with a critical eye.
That hitting the ball back and 'almost hitting' Sinner was completely benign. Those of us who actually play the game know that that kind of thing happens several times in every match, and it's a nothing thing. Yet some people jumped all over it - because Rune has become a favourite punching bag for some... as I said, these "non-judgemental" (ha ha) people have decided that no matter what Rune does, it's terrible, and so they'll find something to criticize him for even if he helps an old lady cross the street.

These people divide the world up into villains and victims - everyone is one or the other, and they decide who is who based on whatever suits them. And these same people are the very first ones to object very loudly when someone they like is criticized, calling for 'tolerance', 'non-judgementalism', an end to 'hating', etc., etc.
The hypocrisy is as blatant as it is consistent and sickening.

by Owendonovan I'm only speaking to hitting balls into the stands which is unsportsmanlike conduct, according to the rules. Unsportsmanlike conduct is a legitimate reason to criticize. No one gets to criticize Borna, no one. :ax

by mmmm8 Very happy for Rublev :) First saw him in person in US Open juniors in maybe 2013... there was some racquet throwing maybe. It's been a long journey watching him come up. So glad he's turned out endearing off court as well.

by ponchi101
mmmm8 wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:02 am Very happy for Rublev :) First saw him in person in US Open juniors in maybe 2013... there was some racquet throwing maybe. It's been a long journey watching him come up. So glad he's turned out endearing off court as well.
He throws racquets. Yes. And he smashes balls. But he throws racquets at his feet, and when he smashes balls, he does so into the court. You can tell he is simply handling that pressure in that way. Not sterling behavior, but he keeps it there.
I gather we can't expect all players to be Elena Rybakina. I would love it, but I know I would be in a minority.

by JTContinental So are we just full on insulting fellow forum members in prominent tournament-focused threads now?

by nelslus
JTContinental wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:00 pm So are we just full on insulting fellow forum members in prominent tournament-focused threads now?
.....I'd comment further. But, apparently- I'm a troll.

#FightTheRealTrolls

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by Deuce I see no insults - just simply calling out very blatant hypocrisy with facts.
Where were you when a forum member blatantly called John Isner a "racist"?
Oh yeah... that's right... that's permitted - by some. Of course.
Exactly what I'm referring to.
Sigh...

by meganfernandez
mmmm8 wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:02 am Very happy for Rublev :) First saw him in person in US Open juniors in maybe 2013... there was some racquet throwing maybe. It's been a long journey watching him come up. So glad he's turned out endearing off court as well.
He has a great personality. I'm glad he's finally moving forward again. Seemed to be stalled for awhile.

by JTContinental Editing to : nevermind

by Deuce Cry me a river, JT... (I read your insulting, provocative post before you so conveniently deleted it).
You have very directly targeted me several times with your very personal insults - which is fine by me. Notice that the ONLY times I ever post anything about you is in direct response to you targeting me. I have never initiated - it has been you who initiates every time.
What I object to is your blatant hypocrisy in allowing yourself to initiate insults of me personally on several occasions (as if you're on a 'mission' of sorts), and then turn around and tell me that I can't call hypocrisy on anyone when I see it (which was also on topic).
I also post far more direct tennis content here than you do.

Going even further by accusing me of all sorts of things and very strategically painting me as the devil incarnate in your latest post in an obviously desperate attempt to win yourself 'supporters' and turn people against me is just plain classless.

I'm sorry, but your expectation that everyone be exactly like you is very selfish and unrealistic. I don't like you any more than you like me... but I would never ever tell you that you don't have the right to be who you are.

by JTContinental OK, I lied, I did read it. I've never met you, so I don't know if I like you or not. All I can surmise is from what I see here, and what is see is gross and literally drives people away from this site. And unless "who you are" is "mean to every person on this forum", I truly don't care about anything else.

I deleted my previous post because I don't want to pile on you during this whole incident, but your constant doubling down and deflecting with strawman arguments is alienating to everyone, not just me. I promise.

by Deuce Yes, JT, I am the devil himself... Now I am "mean to every person on this forum"... sure...
You sure are desperately trying to get votes.
I actually like, respect, and get along with several people here.

Not everyone in life is going to be the person you want them to be, because that's an absurd expectation.

And I figured you'd conveniently ignore the fact that it is ALWAYS YOU who targets and comes after me with your very peraonal insults - I have NEVER initiated anything with you.
Incredible.

by JTContinental This is unproductive. Can we close this thread?

by ponchi101 I believe that this topic, unfortunately, has deviated into an area that is not conducive to a civil tennis-related conversation.
As this tournament has also ended, I will lock the topic.