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Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:59 pm
by ashkor87
i am not hung-up on court speed, it is just that it is never discussed as a factor- albeit a minor one. I wonder how many posts there have been regarding court speed before we started this discussion a couple years ago.
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:19 pm
by ti-amie
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:26 pm
by ti-amie
Thursday Order of Play
Capital Group Diamond
Starts at 1:00 AM
Quarter finals
USA S. Kenin/USA B. Mattek-Sands vs RUS M. Andreeva/RUS D. Shnaider
Followed By
Quarter finals
CHN S. Zhang vs ESP P. Badosa (15)
Followed By
Quarter finals
UKR Y. Starodubtseva vs USA C. Gauff (4)
Followed By
Quarter finals
ITA E. Cocciaretto/RUS L. Samsonova vs CHN Q. Tang/CHN Y. Yuan
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:52 pm
by JTContinental
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:53 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:31 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:07 am
Sinner-Alcaraz is a good test of the court speed theory. The court is on the slow side, slightly in Alcaraz' favor.
And so it proved to be..must have been a good match..didn't get to see it..
So, the court speed was the difference in a match that went 7-6 (3) in the third.
Alcaraz won 5 more points in the 3rd set. Take out the difference of 4 in the TB, and they played 12 games so evenly that the difference was 1 point.
But, numbers are numbers. And you did say it was a slight favorable setting for Alcaraz.
He also yells at spectators, which is bush league IMO
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:10 pm
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:59 pm
i am not hung-up on court speed, it is just that it is never discussed as a factor- albeit a minor one. I wonder how many posts there have been regarding court speed before we started this discussion a couple years ago.
I envy your tennis broadcaster. Down here, the analysis of the court conditions is constant. To me, it seems like the courts morph totally at the slightest bit of change, if you listen to broadcasters. It is sunny, the court changes, they closed the roof, the court changes, it is night, the court changes. It rained 25 miles away, the court changes.
I gather than in the end, I was always such a mediocre player that those things did not affect my lousy strokes.
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:11 pm
by ponchi101
JTContinental wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:52 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:53 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:31 pm
And so it proved to be..must have been a good match..didn't get to see it..
So, the court speed was the difference in a match that went 7-6 (3) in the third.
Alcaraz won 5 more points in the 3rd set. Take out the difference of 4 in the TB, and they played 12 games so evenly that the difference was 1 point.
But, numbers are numbers. And you did say it was a slight favorable setting for Alcaraz.
He also yells at spectators, which is bush league IMO
I guess you meant Medvedev.
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:49 am
by JTContinental
lol yes careless quoting on my part
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:01 am
by ashkor87
Upset special..Starodubtseva (where did she come from? The stars?) may end up beating Coco today, I predict
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:13 pm
by ashkor87
whew.. Coco wriggled out, well done! I need to watch this Starodubtseva.. she has done a lot of damage over the past month or so..in a good way
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 3:16 pm
by ashkor87
Sabalenka versus Muchova is one we are all waiting to see.. I love Muchova but I think on this court, Sabalenka's weapons are the more effective..
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:07 pm
by ponchi101
Muchova has enough touch to handle Sabalenka's power. Her hands are quick enough. But, if she tries to slug it out against her, that won't work.
She has to use that slice BH a lot, keeping the ball low on Aryna.
I say Aryna will win, though. She is inspired right now.
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:08 pm
by mick1303
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 3:16 pm
Sabalenka versus Muchova is one we are all waiting to see.. I love Muchova but I think on this court, Sabalenka's weapons are the more effective..
Unbalanced draw. Should've been the final.
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:20 pm
by ponchi101
We like numbers. How could you have a balanced draw always?
Let's say.
1 & 2 are drawn on top and bottom. Then 3 and 4 are drawn. If the sums of the halves are unbalanced (1 + 3 = 4, 2 + 4 + 6), the next round is drawn so that the sums are balanced:
1 + 3 get to draw 6 + 8 (18), but 2 + 4 get to draw 5 + 7 (18).
Draw the next round at random, and repeat the formula for round 5.
You get random draws, but the draw would be more "balanced".
Every single tennis player or fan could follow that, right?
(Muchova right now is an anomaly; her ranking cannot reflect her game because she was off for so long)
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:13 pm
by JTContinental
Muchova can't stay healthy long enough to have a regular presence in the rankings.
Re: WTA 1000 ATP 500 Beijing 9/25 - 10/6 2024
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:52 pm
by mick1303
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:20 pm
We like numbers. How could you have a balanced draw always?
Let's say.
1 & 2 are drawn on top and bottom. Then 3 and 4 are drawn. If the sums of the halves are unbalanced (1 + 3 = 4, 2 + 4 + 6), the next round is drawn so that the sums are balanced:
1 + 3 get to draw 6 + 8 (18), but 2 + 4 get to draw 5 + 7 (18).
Draw the next round at random, and repeat the formula for round 5.
You get random draws, but the draw would be more "balanced".
Every single tennis player or fan could follow that, right?
(Muchova right now is an anomaly; her ranking cannot reflect her game because she was off for so long)
Your last sentence sums it up.