Talk About Tennis 2.0

Completely. The sole question is: how far back will Carlitos be after Wimbledon, having to defend those 2000 USO points in September, and Novak having nothing to worry about?

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:00 pm Completely. The sole question is: how far back will Carlitos be after Wimbledon, having to defend those 2000 USO points in September, and Novak having nothing to worry about?

Alcaraz played 4 tournaments last year prior to the US Open - 2 clay events, Canada, & Cincinnati - & has 640 points to defend before the US Open. If he does well at Wimbledon - quarters or better - I don't expect him to play as many tournaments this year, but if he had good results at just Cincinnati, and Canada he could easily gain some points. Now Djokovic doesn't have any points to defend, but I don't expect him to play more than 1 tournament, probably Cincinnati, this summer.

skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:00 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 2:49 pm He will, but a top player with two straight Slam titles is still someone else.

Absolutely. I think this is a temporary return to #1. Say, until July 17.

Young players like Alcaraz often improve at an astonishing speed..wouldn't be surprised if he wins W this year ..this is very likely Djokovic' last W title ...he won't mind, hd has plenty .!

What is also worth noting is that out of 31 Petra's title only 4 are International (now WTA250). The wast majority is bigger titles: 2 Slams, 1 YEC (plus 1 lesser YEC), 10 Tier I (which in WTA are oddly divided into Mandatory and not), 13 Premier (WTA500). This is an atypical distribution. Goes to show that she is "big match oriented".

As much as I wish for it to be true, absolutely nothing is indicating a changing of the guard for the Wimbledon title

mick1303 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:37 pm What is also worth noting is that out of 31 Petra's title only 4 are International (now WTA250). The wast majority is bigger titles: 2 Slams, 1 YEC (plus 1 lesser YEC), 10 Tier I (which in WTA are oddly divided into Mandatory and not), 13 Premier (WTA500). This is an atypical distribution. Goes to show that she is "big match oriented".

Or that she rarely plays the lesser tournaments. Can't win them if you don't play them (and she is good enough not to play those).

Re #1 on the men's side, let us not forget the only reason Alcaraz is #1. Is because Djokovic got no points for his Wimby last year! And did not play USO either..

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:28 pm

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:17 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:12 am Maybe should be an annual exercise .
No. Of wta titles won
(Not counting Venus with 49)

Kvitova 30
Halep 24
Sabalenka 19
Swiatek 14
Garcia 11
Bencic 8
.....

Certainly gives a perspective...

Svitolina recently won her title #17 in Strasbourg.
Pliskova also did not retire yet. And she has 16
Pavlyuchenkova has 12

So: the winningest players in the tour... have been around for a long time

Sabalenka is 25, Iga 22... Pretty good numbers for their ages.

It will be interesting to see if the amount of points available with zero to lose over Wimbledon can significantly alter the current rankings.

Look at Muchova at RG. Entered ranked 47 (I think) and left ranked in the top 20.
Slams offer so many points they always alter the ranking for any mid level player that does well. Linette is enjoying her high ranking thanks to that Aussie run.

True but this situation is unique. Even Rybakina is not defending any points..normally, the top players don't gain much, this time they will..

Sabalenka to ascend to #1 if she can beat Jabeur.

And rightly so. One slam, one SF and one F (at least) makes her the best.

In the ATP:

No matter what happens, Medvedev will remain #3.

If Sinner wins the title he will advance to #4; otherwise, he will remain #8*.

If both Alcaraz and Djokovic make the final, the winner will be #1, the loser #2. If only one makes the final, he will be #1, the other #2. If neither makes the final, Alcaraz will be #1, Djokovic #2.

In the WTA:

As noted above, if Sabalenka makes the final, she will be #1 even if she loses; otherwise she will remain #2.

If Jabeur wins the title, she will be #3; otherwise she will remain #6*.

If Vondrousova wins the title, she will be #10; if she makes the final, she will be #16; otherwise she will drop to #24*.

If Svitolina wins the title, she will be #12; if she makes the final, she will be #21; otherwise she will remain #27*.

*Based on live rank including current Wimbledon points.