ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023

[ponchi101]

Several hours after he made the comment, I am still dumbfounded by JIm Courier doubling down on the idiot fan canard about peak Wawrinka being better than peak Murray.

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Their records certainly don't support that. Murray has won many more tournaments, and he did reach #1.
However, on the "I am partial" side of the argument: I will never say that I enjoyed Murray's game as much as I enjoyed Stan's, but I am a sucker for a 1 handed BH.
But that is taste, not data.

[jazzyg]

But remember Wawrinka has won 3 different majors, Murray has 3 but two of them are the same..I think they are both great players, and Murray's public persona is, of course, much more sterling..Wawrinka looks more destructive when he is on, which is why Courier may have said/felt that.

Yes, Wawrinka won the Australian Open, but that was the only time he made the final. Murray lost in the final five times (four to Djokovic, once to Federer). Wawrinka lost well before the final in all five of those years. By any sane measure, Murray was far superior in Melboune to Wawrinka, who may not even have won his lone final if Nadal had not gotten injured early in the match.

[jazzyg]

Of the four men's completed matches so far today, I would have picked the loser to win.

This has been a really strange tournament.

[texasniteowl]

Of the four men's completed matches so far today, I would have picked the loser to win.

Same. All my predictions choices so far of the completed men's matches are wrong.

[ponchi101]

Another lousy week for PREDICTIONS

[meganfernandez]

But remember Wawrinka has won 3 different majors, Murray has 3 but two of them are the same..I think they are both great players, and Murray's public persona is, of course, much more sterling..Wawrinka looks more destructive when he is on, which is why Courier may have said/felt that.

Yes, Wawrinka won the Australian Open, but that was the only time he made the final. Murray lost in the final five times (four to Djokovic, once to Federer). Wawrinka lost well before the final in all five of those years. By any sane measure, Murray was far superior in Melboune to Wawrinka, who may not even have won his lone final if Nadal had not gotten injured early in the match.

We don't have to guess. They played each other twice in 2016, when they both won majors, and Murray won both, including on clay, where Stan should have the advantage.

Murray is 13-9 vs Stan overall. On hard court, Murray is 9-4.

[JTContinental]

Rybakina retired down 2-5 in the second set, presumably with a shoulder injury

[meganfernandez]

Rybakina retired down 2-5 in the second set, presumably with a shoulder injury

Yikes. Lucky break for Paolini. Rybakina said she picked up an injury last week.

FWIW, Rybakina won the first, so she didn't retire one game from the end of the match, which would be bush league unless absolutely necessary.

[ponchi101]

Paul really, really, really does not want to win this match.

[ti-amie]

Paul really, really, really does not want to win this match.

Jinx

[ti-amie]

They're trying to stop Alcaraz vs Paul and it seems neither player wants to stop.

Carlitos is being shown the radar.

[ti-amie]

Steve Tignor
@SteveTignor

"We're gonna get some heavy stuff," referee Gerry Armstrong tells Alcaraz and Paul of the forecast.

[ti-amie]

And they're back on Center Court.

[ti-amie]

And now play is suspended.

[ti-amie]