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ti-amie 
The prize money for the Nitto ATP Finals is $15,000,000
Singles
Undefeated Champion: $4,801,500
Final Win: $2,201,000
Semi-Final Win: $1,105,000
Each Round-Robin Match Win: $390,000
Participation Fee: $325,500
Alternate: $152,500
Doubles (per team)
Undefeated Champion: $943,650
Final Win: $351,000
Semi-Final Win: $175,650
Each Round-Robin Match Win: $95,000
Participation Fee: $132,000
Alternate: $50,850
by ti-amie ORDER OF PLAY : 12 NOVEMBER
Afternoon session
Centre Court - Starts at 12:00 noon
RR
CRO/Ivan Dodig/USA Austin Krajicek VS ARG Andres Molteni/ARG Maximo Andres
Centre Court - Not Before 2:30 pm
RR
ITA Jannik Sinner VS GRE Stefanos Tsitsipas
Evening Session
Centre Court - Not Before 6:30 pm
RR
MEX Santiago Gonzalez / FRA Edouard Roger-Vasselin VS ESP Horacio Zeballos/ARG Marcel Horacio
Centre Court - Not Before 9:00 pm
RR
SRB Novak Djokovic VS DEN Holger Rune
by ti-amie TV SCHEDULE
Follow singles and doubles action from the Nitto ATP Finals
Watch ATP Tour action live and on demand at TennisTV.com.
Broadcasters
Area Broadcaster
Africa 1* Canal+ Africa
Africa 2* Supersport Africa
Asia 1* beIn Southeast Asia
Asia 2* Sony/MSM
Australia beIN SPORTS Australia
Austria Sky Deutschland
Albania Supersport/Straightforward Albania
Balkans*
Sportklub
Baltics*
TV3 Baltics
Belgium BeTV, Telenet (Play Sports)
Bulgaria A1 Max Sport
Canada TSN
Czech Republic Eurosport
China iQIYI,
China; Macao CCTV, MIGU, Tencent
Cyprus CYTA
Denmark TV2 Denmark
Eastern Europe* Setanta Stans
France Eurosport France
Georgia Silknet
Germany Sky Deutschland
Greece OTE
Hong Kong PCCW
Hungary Eurosport
Israel Charlton Israel
Italy, San Marino, Vatican City Sky Italia, RAI, SuperTennis
Kosovo Supersport/Straightforward Albania
Malta Go Sports TSN
Middle East 1* beIN SPORTS Middle East
Japan WOWOW, Gaora Sports Channel
Latin America
ESPN International Latam
Liechtenstein Sky Deutschland
Netherlands Ziggo Sport
New Zealand Sky NZ
Pacific Islands Digicel
Poland Polsat
Portugal Sport TV Portugal
Romania Eurosport
Scandinavia* (ex. Denmark)
Eurosport Nordics
Shanghai Shanghai Media
Slovakia Eurosport
South Korea Eclat
Spain Telefonica/Movistar
Switzerland SRG, Sky Deutschland
Taiwan Sino Catch (Sportscast)
Turkey Ssport Turkey
United Kingdom Amazon Prime Video
United States* Tennis Channel
Vietnam Canal+ Overseas (K+) (VSTV)
Worldwide Perform (News)
Worldwide Reuters (News)
Worldwide SNTV (News)
Worldwide Sport 24 (Inflight)
Worldwide EBU (News)
Worldwide Pragosport (News)
Africa 1*:
Benin; Burkina Faso; Burundi; Cameroon; Central African Rep.; Chad; Comoros; Congo, Dem. Rep.; Congo, Repub. of the; Djibouti; Gabon; Guinea-Bissau; Guinea; Madagascar; Mali; Mauritania; Mauritius; Niger; Rwanda; Senegal; Seychelles; Togo
Africa 2*:
Lesotho; Namibia; Zimbabwe; Angola; Benin; Botswana; Burkina Faso; Burundi; Cameroon; Cape Verde; Central African Rep.; Comoros; Congo, Rep. of the; Congo, Dem. Rep.; Equatorial Guinea; Eritrea; Ehtiopia; Gabon; Gambia, The; Ghana; Guinea; Guinea-Bissau; Guyana; Kenya; Liberia; Madagascar; Malawi; Mali; Mauritius; Mayotte; Mozambique; Niger; Nigeria; Reunion; Rwanda; Sao Tome & Principe; Senegal; Sierra Leone; Seychelles; Swaziland; Tanzania; Togo; Uganda; Zambia; South Africa
Asia 1*:
Thailand; Cambodia; Laos; Malaysia; Brunei; Indonesia; East Timor; Philippines; Singapore
Asia 2*
India; Nepal; Bhutan; Pakistan; Sri Lanka; Bangladesh; Maldives; Afghanistan
Baltics*:
Estonia; Latvia; Lithuania
Balkans*:
Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Slovenia
Eastern Europe*:
Armenia; Azerbaijan; Belarus; Kazakhstan; Kyrgyzstan; Tajikistan; Turkmenistan; Uzbekistan; Moldova; Ukraine
Latin America*:
Argentina; Chile; Colombia; Costa Rica; Dominic Republic; Ecuador; El Salvador; Guatemala; Honduras; Mexico; Nicaragua; Panama; Paraguay; Peru; Uruguay; Venezuela; Anguila; Antigua & Barbuda; Bahamas, Barbados; Belize; Bermuda; Bolivia; British Virgin Is.; Cayman Islands; Cuba; Dominica; Dominican Republic; French Guiana; Grenada; Guadeloupe; Guyana; Haiti; Jamaica; Martinique; Montserrat; Saint Kitts& Nevis; Saint Vincent and the Grenadines; Saint Lucia; Turks ＆ Caicos Is; Trinidad ＆ Tobago; Brazil
Middle East 1*:
Kuwait; Bahrain; Iraq; Jordan; Lebanon; Oman; Qatar; Saudi Arabia; Syria; United Arab Emirates; Yemen; Iran; Algeria; Egypt; Libya; Morocco; Tunisia; Chad; Djibouti; Mauritania; Somalia; Sudan
Pacific Islands*
Cook Islands; Fiji; French Polynesia; Nauru; Soloman Islands; Tonga; Tuvalu; Vanuatu; Wallis and Futuna; Samoa; Kiribati; New Caledonia; Papua New Guinea
Scandinavia*:
Norway; Sweden; Finland; Iceland
United States*:
Includes Puerto Rico; Virgin Islands
by ashkor87 all 8 are Europeans! and all whites. not a good look for diversity,is it? 3 of them have Russian names, and are of Russian origin.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:14 am
all 8 are Europeans! and all whites. not a good look for diversity,is it? 3 of them have Russian names, and are of Russian origin.
Same whiteness in 2017, 2020, 2021.... I see ethnic diversity here. And doubles will be more diverse.
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Suliso ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:14 am
all 8 are Europeans! and all whites. not a good look for diversity,is it? 3 of them have Russian names, and are of Russian origin.
Tsitsipas has a Russian mother. As for diversity everyone is welcome to compete and they do, but hard to overcome various advantages we have on this continent.
by ti-amie Monday, November 13, 2023 Day 2
Centre Court Starts At 12:00 Noon
RR
(2) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS (8) Rinky Hijikata/Jason Kubler
Not Before 2:30 Pm
RR
(2) Carlos Alcaraz VS (7) Alexander Zverev
Not Before 6:30 Pm
RR
(3) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden VS (6) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Not Before 9:00 Pm
RR
(3) Daniil Medvedev VS (5) Andrey Rublev
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:33 pm
Casual Friday? Remember when they used to wear suits? Is Tsitsipas in a poncho?? And did Zverev cut his hair or is it in a ponytail??
by ashkor87 The Turin court is fast, one of the few remaining...I don't expect Tsitsipas and Zverev to go well here ...Sinner, Medvedev and Djokovic would be my picks, in that order .Alcaraz has not been playing well but his exceptional foot speed will help him ..
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:22 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:14 am
all 8 are Europeans! and all whites. not a good look for diversity,is it? 3 of them have Russian names, and are of Russian origin.
Same whiteness in 2017, 2020, 2021.... I see ethnic diversity here. And doubles will be more diverse.
The WTA yec had 7 nations, an African American and an Arab .
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:28 am
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:22 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:14 am
all 8 are Europeans! and all whites. not a good look for diversity,is it? 3 of them have Russian names, and are of Russian origin.
Same whiteness in 2017, 2020, 2021.... I see ethnic diversity here. And doubles will be more diverse.
The WTA yec had 7 nations, an African American and an Arab .
I'm not sure we can draw a conclusion from this. It's a moment in time. But it could be that the men in most countries have more options for sports and many go elsewhere, while for women, tennis is one of the best options. If it's a trend, it's interesting. The ATP Finals this year still has 7 countries represented. The WTA has been heavy on Russians in the past.
by ponchi101 I find it more concerning that the USA has no one there (it has happened before, we know). Like it or not, the USA is too important a market not to be represented.
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meganfernandez ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:03 pm
I find it more concerning that the USA has no one there (it has happened before, we know). Like it or not, the USA is too important a market not to be represented.
Give Benny Shelton one more year.
We're not in the Top 8, but we are heavy in the Top 20.
by mick1303 US still hosts 11 tournaments out of 66 (with 9 players in top 100). The second place is France with 6 tournaments (13 players in top 100). Australia has 9 players in top 100 and only hosts 3 tournaments (+ United Cup). Spain has 4 tournaments (7 player in top 100). It looks to me that US has dis-proportionally more tournaments. Not sure what is the structure of revenue for ATP, but if we look at tickets sales only, some US-based tournaments shall move elsewhere.
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skatingfan mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:25 pm
US still hosts 11 tournaments out of 66 (with 9 players in top 100). The second place is France with 6 tournaments (13 players in top 100). Australia has 9 players in top 100 and only hosts 3 tournaments (+ United Cup). Spain has 4 tournaments (7 player in top 100). It looks to me that US has dis-proportionally more tournaments. Not sure what is the structure of revenue for ATP, but if we look at tickets sales only, some US-based tournaments shall move elsewhere.
After next year the US will down two more tournaments, and tournaments have been leaving the US for a long time. The disproportionate number of US tournaments is vestige of the countries place in the sport in the past.
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by meganfernandez Is there a way to find out who's commentating which matches in advance? Not asking just for Nick (but yes, I want to catch him) but also Roddick and others. Those feeds aren't available on replay, so I have to try to catch them live. Any help? Thanks.
by mick1303 Why ATP YEC is in Team competitions branch?
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skatingfan mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:27 pm
Why ATP YEC is in Team competitions branch?
Hard to get good help when you don't pay them @ponchi.
by ti-amie I mean when all is said and done it is a team competition but following that logic the WTA YEC should've been here too.
I get your point though.
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ti-amie skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:23 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:27 pm
Why ATP YEC is in Team competitions branch?
Hard to get good help when you don't pay them @ponchi.
He walked right into that didn't he?
by ashkor87 got to watch highlights of Djoko-Rune.. court is clearly quite fast, as expected. Djokovic served really well when it mattered.. Rune was much better than I expected, in every aspect of the game, seems to have got back to where he was last year or so..Now to see if Sinner can knock off Djokovic, I think he can...
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ti-amie Anne Lenoir
@annegc1
Le problème est plutôt l’absence de court rapide. Et les joueurs ne devraient pas être étonnés que du dur indoor puisse l’être. Ça devrait être la norme
Translated from French by Google
The problem is rather the absence of a fast court. And players shouldn't be surprised that hard indoor can be. This should be the norm
Quote
José Morgado
@josemorgado
Alcaraz. “This is the quickest court of the year. Incredible that this happens after so many tournaments playing on very slow hardcourts. I don’t understand why this happens. We never play in conditions like these during the entire year.”
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nelslus meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:02 pm
Shot of the year candidate?
Not going to encourage highlighting anything that this horrible person does.
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:23 pm
Anne Lenoir
@annegc1
Le problème est plutôt l’absence de court rapide. Et les joueurs ne devraient pas être étonnés que du dur indoor puisse l’être. Ça devrait être la norme
Translated from French by Google
The problem is rather the absence of a fast court. And players shouldn't be surprised that hard indoor can be. This should be the norm
Quote
José Morgado
@josemorgado
Alcaraz. “This is the quickest court of the year. Incredible that this happens after so many tournaments playing on very slow hardcourts. I don’t understand why this happens. We never play in conditions like these during the entire year.”
Agree, courts are too slow overall throughout the year. Rallies are too long. Murray has complained about this. It's making injuries worse.
by ti-amie I actually don't like tennis played on superfast courts and stopped watching completely during the '90's. I started watching again just as Sampras was leaving the sport because I wanted to introduce my daughter to tennis. I feel the faster the court the less strategy is involved so I guess that explains why I prefer clay court tennis.
by ti-amie Tuesday, November 14, 2023 Day 3
Centre Court Starts At 12:00 Noon
RR
(4) Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin VS (7) Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni
Not Before 2:30 Pm
RR
(6) Stefanos Tsitsipas VS (8) Holger Rune
Not Before 6:30 Pm
RR
(1) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek VS (5) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
Not Before 9:00 Pm
RR
(1) Novak Djokovic VS (4) Jannik Sinner
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ashkor87 ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:30 pm
I actually don't like tennis played on superfast courts and stopped watching completely during the '90's. I started watching again just as Sampras was leaving the sport because I wanted to introduce my daughter to tennis. I feel the faster the court the less strategy is involved so I guess that explains why I prefer clay court tennis.
Nothing wrong with either but we do need a variety..so different styles can flourish..
by ashkor87 I always liked the USOpen surface because it supports baseliners, volleyers equally .any style except pure defence ...favora attacking tennis of any kind .
by meganfernandez i have yet to hear Kyrgios call a match. Are they saving him fro the semis and finals?
Edit: He starts Wed, on matches and TC live.
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ashkor87
Fair point but Bercy is pretty fast too, and Alcaraz squandered that opportunity...
by ashkor87 It is a bit puzzling, though, why Alcaraz doesn't like the faster surfaces .Melbourne, Bercy, Turin..he serves well, has good reflexes, volleys well, doesn't take an excessive backswing, and is the quickest player on the tour ...all just mindset ?
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:07 am
It is a bit puzzling, though, why Alcaraz doesn't like the faster surfaces .Melbourne, Bercy, Turin..he serves well, has good reflexes, volleys well, doesn't take an excessive backswing, and is the quickest player on the tour ...all just mindset ?
I don't think it's a matter of not liking a fast surface. I think it's more of a case of not having played matches on that type of surface very often. This is first year in Turin, and he's played Bercy a few times, and Melbourne a few times, though the Australian Open courts bounce higher than either Bercy, or Turin, so there not quite the same.
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:12 am
Fair point but Bercy is pretty fast too, and Alcaraz squandered that opportunity...
According to many Youtube analists Paris Bercy is quite a bit slower than YEC.
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ashkor87 mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:04 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:12 am
Fair point but Bercy is pretty fast too, and Alcaraz squandered that opportunity...
According to many Youtube analists Paris Bercy is quite a bit slower than YEC.
Almost certainly true but it is still faster than the average...Paris is rated 37.5, Turin 42.1, second fastest, after Shanghai
Alcaraz did not do well at Shanghai either...lost to Dimitrov
by ptmcmahon Tsitsipas withdraws during match today due to injury. Hurkacz could replace him against Djokovic Thursday.
Djokovic will win group if he wins later today.
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meganfernandez ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:12 pm
Tsitsipas withdraws during match today due to injury. Hurkacz could replace him against Djokovic Thursday.
Djokovic will win group if he wins later today.
Fritz and Hurkacz are playing a friendly to fill the schedule.
by ti-amie Stefanos seems to be on a mission of some sort.
All of this today.
by ti-amie Wednesday, November 15, 2023 Day 4
Centre Court Starts At 12:00 Noon
RR
(3) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden VS (8) Rinky Hijikata/Jason Kubler
Not Before 2:30 Pm
RR
(2) Carlos Alcaraz VS (5) Andrey Rublev
Not Before 6:30 Pm
RR
(2) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS (6) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Not Before 9:00 Pm
RR
(3) Daniil Medvedev VS (7) Alexander Zverev
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ptmcmahon Sinner beat Djokovic in a third set tiebreaker. He's not through yet, but winning one set means at worst he will be in a three way tie at 2-1 and even sets and it will come down to games. Guess I better take note of those now
Right now Sinner is +6, Djokovic +1, and Rune -3. Rune not getting to get games in hurts (assuming he would have won!) Based on above even the three games today didn't count.
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meganfernandez ptmcmahon wrote:Sinner beat Djokovic in a third set tiebreaker. He's not through yet, but winning one set means at worst he will be in a three way tie at 2-1 and even sets and it will come down to games. Guess I better take note of those now
Right now Sinner is +6, Djokovic +1, and Rune -3. Rune not getting to get games in hurts (assuming he would have won!) Based on above even the three games today didn't count.
It would really suck to win that match, end up 2-1, and still not go through. What a win. I didn’t think he would hold it together after losing serve at 4-2 in the third.
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by ptmcmahon Given Djokovic gets to play Hurkacz now instead (whether or not that's actually easier) it's still definitely possible.
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ti-amie meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:36 pm
ptmcmahon wrote:Sinner beat Djokovic in a third set tiebreaker. He's not through yet, but winning one set means at worst he will be in a three way tie at 2-1 and even sets and it will come down to games. Guess I better take note of those now
Right now Sinner is +6, Djokovic +1, and Rune -3. Rune not getting to get games in hurts (assuming he would have won!) Based on above even the three games today didn't count.
It would really suck to win that match, end up 2-1, and still not go through. What a win. I didn’t think he would hold it together after losing serve at 4-2 in the third.
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José Morgado @josemorgado
GREEN GROUP
1. Sinner, 2-0, 4-1
2. Rune, 1-1, 3-2
3. Djokovic, 1-1, 3-3
QUALIFICATION SCENARIOS:
by ashkor87 Sinner is my favorite to win on this fast surface (and home crowd)...court speed does matter, and this one is faster than most ...Medvedev will also do well
by Fastbackss Amusing that there is no way for Rune to qualify as #2. It's either #1 or go home
Yes, Djokovic is only #2 or go home, but to me something more amusing about #1
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meganfernandez Fastbackss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:22 am
Amusing that there is no way for Rune to qualify as #2. It's either #1 or go home
Yes, Djokovic is only #2 or go home, but to me something more amusing about #1
I think Rune can quality in #2 spot if he wins in 3 sets, Novak wins in 2, and Novak has the higher percentage of games won.
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by ptmcmahon Correct, that's the only way Rune can get to #2. Since Djokovic wins in two in that scenario he is at least +3 games. Rune would then need to be +7 games to pass Djokovic... which would put Sinner third in game wins at -1 or worse.
I still wish somehow I could be paid to be the person who figures out all these sport scenarios for a living.
by Owendonovan I can't stand when a player holds a finger to their ear, this time Djokovic, to the crowd after winning a set. (but I do love when they lose the match)
by ashkor87 Djokovic commented after the match that in matches like these, very few opportunities arise, and Sinner was more brave and decisive when they came up.. a fair comment, I thought. Also, I thought Djokovic really needs to learn when to go to the net and when not - some of his approaches today were rather poor, allowed Sinner to rifle the bal past him easily..
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:47 am
Djokovic commented after the match that in matches like these, very few opportunities arise, and Sinner was more brave and decisive when they came up.. a fair comment, I thought. Also, I thought Djokovic really needs to learn when to go to the net and when not - some of his approaches today were rather poor, allowed Sinner to rifle the bal past him easily..
I love that insight from Djokovic, about Sinner playing those few big chances well. Interesting about Djokovic's approaches... I guess Boris didn't teach him. Maybe he was trying to get Sinner to make a mistake, put pressure on him. Better have a lead in the game if you're going to do that.
by meganfernandez Kyrgios starts commentating today. Not on Rublev-Alcaraz, though. Maybe Meddy-Zverev. I assume he's commentating form Australia, so that would day daytime for him. He should do dubs since he's a Grand Slam champ.
by ptmcmahon Alcaraz wins in 2 sets.
Zverev now can win group with a win later today.
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meganfernandez ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:04 pm
Alcaraz wins in 2 sets.
Zverev now can win group with a win later today.
not happening IMO.
by skatingfan Based on how Medvedev played against Rublev I would say he's the heavy favourite to beat Zverev.
by ti-amie Thursday, November 16, 2023 Day 5
Centre Court Starts At 12:00 Noon
RR
(1) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek VS (4) Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin
Not Before 2:30 Pm
RR
(1) Novak Djokovic VS (9) Alt Hubert Hurkacz
Not Before 6:30 Pm
RR
(5) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
VS
(7) Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni
Not Before 9:00 Pm
RR
(4) Jannik Sinner VS (8) Holger Rune
by ti-amie It'll be interesting to see how Rune plays tomorrow.
by ptmcmahon Winning in straight sets puts Medvedev through, although he hasn't clinched first yet - one set against Alcaraz gives him first.
Rublev will not make semis.
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:00 pm
Nelslus and i are very happy.
by ti-amie
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...
by Suliso I think you will not be surprised to hear I'm rooting for
Sinner
by ti-amie Nick debuted all right.
by skatingfan Well at least we know what Kyrgious has been doing for the past year.
by ashkor87 Apparently (I didn't see it) Djokovic tried to serve and volley at 40-0, 5-5 jn the first set, for the first time in the match..he got passed and never recovered in that set..an illustration of not knowing when to get to the net..but I do find it amazing- this is a player who has every record, has won everything there is to win, but he still has areas he can get better at..!
by ashkor87 Is Hurkacz actually eligible to qualify for the semis? Or is he just a filler, with no rights ? With his big serve, he could actually beat Djokovic and Rune..then what?
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skatingfan ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:18 pm
Is Hurkacz actually eligible to qualify for the semis? Or is he just a filler, with no rights ? With his big serve, he could actually beat Djokovic and Rune..then what?
Hurkacz can't advance - he gets prize money, and ranking points if he wins.
by ptmcmahon I mean technically he's eligible. But he has no chance. First criteria is wins - possible he could tie Djokovic and Rune with 1 win each. But critiera 2 is number of matches played and he would lose that.
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ptmcmahon ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:13 am
QUALIFICATION SCENARIOS:
With Hurkacz winning a set, Sinner is through.
Interestingly, this third set now means nothing. Rune wins group if he wins today and is out if he loses.
Djokovic's fate is out of his hands.
by ptmcmahon Which of course means he wins the third set no problem, 6-1.
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ashkor87 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:18 pm
Is Hurkacz actually eligible to qualify for the semis? Or is he just a filler, with no rights ? With his big serve, he could actually beat Djokovic and Rune..then what?
I had forgotten he is playing only 1 match...
by ptmcmahon Rune-Sinner going to a third set (as I'm leaving work of course.)
by ptmcmahon Sinner wins 6-4 and is through in first place. Djokovic finishes second.
by ti-amie Friday, November 17, 2023 Day 6
Centre Court Starts At 12:00 Noon
RR
(2) Wesley Koolhof/Neal Skupski VS (3) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
Not Before 2:30 Pm
RR
(2) Carlos Alcaraz VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 6:00 Pm
RR
(6) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury VS (8) Rinky Hijikata/Jason Kubler
Not Before 8:30 Pm
RR
(5) Andrey Rublev VS (7) Alexander Zverev
by ti-amie I actually forced myself to stay awake and watch Sinner vs Rune. Rune's immaturity cost him that match. The minute he started fighting with the chair I knew he would lose despite taking the second set.
As for Sinner I'm still meh. He's very quick around the court and makes decent decisions during a match, something Rune is going to have to learn to do/
Anyway if it was Djokovic's intent to make the two young guns slug it out while he rested he got what he wanted. Sinner kept fiddling with his lower left back but never called the physio. Rune got his upper calf taped.
by ashkor87 Sinner and Alcaraz are the future of tennis....maybe on fast courts and slow respectively...both are complete players
by ashkor87 some commentators are saying Medvedev will lose to ALcaraz because he wont try hard enough.. I find that mildly insulting - these are all professionals, they dont want to lose.. and in future, the result, whichever way it gos, will weigh on their minds. Medvedev would not want to give Alcaraz the confidence, since he may meet him soon, either here in the finals, or at the AO, hard to see him giving Alcaraz an easy pass.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:21 am
some commentators are saying Medvedev will lose to ALcaraz because he wont try hard enough.. I find that mildly insulting - these are all professionals, they dont want to lose.. and in future, the result, whichever way it gos, will weigh on their minds. Medvedev would not want to give Alcaraz the confidence, since he may meet him soon, either here in the finals, or at the AO, hard to see him giving Alcaraz an easy pass.
Tend to agree, they are competitors first. Probably have a hard time turning it off. They are programmed to try to win every match or they wouldn't be so good. But I can see some circumstances where they might not try their absolute hardest in every situation, and that might lead to a loss. I think they can live with it if it's a strategic decision, and the opponent knows and it doesn't have the same psychological effect.
by Owendonovan What would prompt these commentators to say such a thing? It's not like Medvedev is some notorious tanker of matches.
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ashkor87 Owendonovan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:46 pm
What would prompt these commentators to say such a thing? It's not like Medvedev is some notorious tanker of matches.
well, they have to say something out of the ordinary, I guess..! else nobody will read thir columns
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ptmcmahon Owendonovan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:46 pm
What would prompt these commentators to say such a thing? It's not like Medvedev is some notorious tanker of matches.
Well we wouldn't be discussing them if they hadn't said it would we?
by ptmcmahon Alcaraz wins in two sets and wins group, Medvedev second.
Semis will be Sinner-Medvedev and Djokvoic-Alcaraz
by ashkor87 what is your guess? I certainly think Sinner will be in the finals and Djokovic will, too but I am a bit less confident of that.. maybe 65-35 and 55-45 respectively..
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:28 pm
what is your guess? I certainly think Sinner will be in the finals and Djokovic will, too but I am a bit less confident of that.. maybe 65-35 and 55-45 respectively..
Sinner Alcaraz
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:41 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:28 pm
what is your guess? I certainly think Sinner will be in the finals and Djokovic will, too but I am a bit less confident of that.. maybe 65-35 and 55-45 respectively..
Sinner Alcaraz
that would be a preview of the future!
by ti-amie Saturday, November 18, 2023 Day 7
Centre Court Starts At 12:00 Noon
SF
(5) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos VS (3) Rohan Bopanna/Matthew Ebden
Not Before 2:30 Pm
SF
(4) Jannik Sinner VS (3) Daniil Medvedev
Not Before 6:30 Pm
SF
(6) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury VS (4) Santiago Gonzalez/Edouard Roger-Vasselin
Not Before 9:00 Pm
SF
(2) Carlos Alcaraz VS (1) Novak Djokovic
by ashkor87 Sinner really seems to have broken through...he has now won 6 matches in a row against the top 5....
by Suliso Round two of Sinner vs Djokovic was a conventional choice and this time the right one as well. After the first game where Alcaraz had two bp's he didn't stand a chance.
by Suliso Who'll win the final now? I think it's pretty close, but small edge to the old guy. He just knows how to bring these things home.
by ti-amie Sunday, November 19, 2023 Day 8
Centre Court Starts At 3:00 Pm
F
(5) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos VS (6) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury
Not Before 6:00 Pm
F
(4) Jannik Sinner VS (1) Novak Djokovic
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:42 pm
Who'll win the final now? I think it's pretty close, but small edge to the old guy. He just knows how to bring these things home.
I would still bet on Sinner..the court is fast, the crowd will support him and he seems to have made the improvement needed...
by ashkor87 Meanwhile I really need to figure out why Alcaraz doesn't play well on fast courts...
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dryrunguy ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:59 pm
Meanwhile I really need to figure out why Alcaraz doesn't play well on fast courts...
I thought his match against Medvedev was probably the best match he played in a really long time. He plays extremely well on fast courts.
What bothered me today was the degree to which he just... quit. After he didn't break back in Novak's 3-2 service game in the second, he just quit, which was probably cumulative from not breaking in the opening game of the match--not to mention getting broken a few more times. On a few occasions late in the match, when Novak his first serves that were called out, Carlitos was already walking to the other side of his court to receive and had to go back to where he was to receive a second serve. And his barking to his box late in the second was downright Murray-esque. He was more out of sorts than I have ever seen him be. It was hard to watch. And disappointing.
But Novak does that to people. Today, Novak was just plain surgical. And euthanizistic. (Yes, I just created a word.)
by ashkor87 Yes, Djokovic breaks your spirit, not just your serve..apparently Kyrgios said Djoko is the greatest player to ever walk the earth ..surprising, ..considering he was not a fan..in fact owns a 2-1 head to head record against him.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:11 am
Yes, Djokovic breaks your spirit, not just your serve..apparently Kyrgios said Djoko is the greatest player to ever walk the earth ..surprising, ..considering he was not a fan..in fact owns a 2-1 head to head record against him.
Kyrgios seemed to become a fan at Wimbledon, joking about how they would go partying together after the final (to which Djokovic laughed and said, "in your dreams.") I guess he changed his tune.
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meganfernandez dryrunguy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:41 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:59 pm
Meanwhile I really need to figure out why Alcaraz doesn't play well on fast courts...
I thought his match against Medvedev was probably the best match he played in a really long time. He plays extremely well on fast courts.
What bothered me today was the degree to which he just... quit. After he didn't break back in Novak's 3-2 service game in the second, he just quit, which was probably cumulative from not breaking in the opening game of the match--not to mention getting broken a few more times. On a few occasions late in the match, when Novak his first serves that were called out, Carlitos was already walking to the other side of his court to receive and had to go back to where he was to receive a second serve. And his barking to his box late in the second was downright Murray-esque. He was more out of sorts than I have ever seen him be. It was hard to watch. And disappointing.
But Novak does that to people. Today, Novak was just plain surgical. And euthanizistic. (Yes, I just created a word.)
If you're going to keep making up great words, you'll have to start popping up more in the threads I read. I never see you anymore!
Great analysis, makes me want to watch the replay and notice these things. I didn't see the match.
by ashkor87 Ram and Salisbury have won the doubles,!! I wonder how Sock is making out with pickle ball..
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:00 pm
Ram and Salisbury have won the doubles,!! I wonder how Sock is making out with pickle ball..
You're the only one thinking about Jack Sock.
Ram and Salisbury are 10-0 in Turin in the past two years. The winning team gets $350,000 but $940,000 if they go undefeated. That's a huge increase.
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by Suliso I was right about Djokovic and it wasn't even close...
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ashkor87 Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:56 pm
I was right about Djokovic and it wasn't even close...
Yes, you were. Djokovic can adapt to any surface, he stands alone in that respect...
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:22 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:00 pm
Ram and Salisbury have won the doubles,!! I wonder how Sock is making out with pickle ball..
You're the only one thinking about Jack Sock.
Ram and Salisbury are 10-0 in Turin in the past two years.
Yes probably because Ram is of Indian origin. I have been tracking him since his heroics at the Orange Bowl as a junior
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:34 am
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:22 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:00 pm
Ram and Salisbury have won the doubles,!! I wonder how Sock is making out with pickle ball..
You're the only one thinking about Jack Sock.
Ram and Salisbury are 10-0 in Turin in the past two years.
Yes probably because Ram is of Indian origin. I have been tracking him since his heroics at the Orange Bowl as a junior
I didn't know about these Orange Bowl heroics! What happened?
by ashkor87 He won the Easter Bowl, actually, the under18 title- also was under 14 national champ.. very promising as a junior, didn't do as well in pro singles, probably because he is a bit slow on his feet?
by ashkor87 So that is Djokovic's 7th..Federer has 6..interesting that Nadal has ...zero!
by mick1303 Regarding two wins against the same opponent. In 2003 young Federer done what Sinner could not do. Agassi played a role of Novak there. He had 3-0 H2H against Roger at that time. Roger beat him twice. RR match was tense. The final - not so much, Federer became himself over the course of that tournament.
by ashkor87 The ATP leaderboard rates Alcaraz #10 in the world on returning on hard courts, though he is #1 in returning on clay..Medvedev is #1 on hard court returns .
Maybe a clue to why he (Alcaraz) doesn't do so well on fast hard courts..
Look at his less than stellar record at Shanghai, Bercy, Melbourne and Turin, the fastest courts currently....