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Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:57 am
by ponchi101
Osaka was. No longer. The endorsements tell you so.
Coco is not yet a superstar. To be that, you need to be a star outside of tennis. The same for Carlitos.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:17 am
by Suliso
You also need to be a star outside your home market.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:01 am
by ashkor87
Shelton has the makings... some day he may be. Berrettini's face is plastered on the London tube, even in India, so he may be on the way too
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:16 pm
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:01 am
Shelton has the makings... some day he may be. Berrettini's face is plastered on the London tube, even in India, so he may be on the way too
Berrettini's claim to stardom is based on other factors, not the quality of his tennis.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:49 pm
by Suliso
Model looks will only get you so far.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:36 pm
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:57 am
Osaka was. No longer. The endorsements tell you so.
Coco is not yet a superstar. To be that, you need to be a star outside of tennis. The same for Carlitos.
You don't think Osaka still has the same or similar Q rating, with her connections to huge markets? She lit the Olympics flame 3.5 years ago.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2025 3:49 am
Is there anybody that can really be called a tennis superstar nowadays?
Not globally. Osaka, Serena and Federer still carry the torch.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:04 am
by ponchi101
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:36 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:57 am
Osaka was. No longer. The endorsements tell you so.
Coco is not yet a superstar. To be that, you need to be a star outside of tennis. The same for Carlitos.
You don't think Osaka still has the same or similar Q rating, with her connections to huge markets?
She lit the Olympics flame 3.5 years ago.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2025 3:49 am
Is there anybody that can really be called a tennis superstar nowadays?
Not globally. Osaka, Serena and Federer still carry the torch.
Exactly. 3.5 years ago. She has been off too long, and has not been a factor at a slam in a long time.
Stardom is usually a "what have you done for me lately" thing.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:50 am
by Owendonovan
I still think Naomi has a huge fan base who still believes in her return to grand slam glory. I personally think her relationship ending with Cordae will likely help her. I don't think she's designed to carry a lot of baggage.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:31 am
by ashkor87
Halep has announced her retirement...
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:39 pm
by ponchi101
Owendonovan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:50 am
I still think Naomi has a huge fan base who still believes in her return to grand slam glory. I personally think her relationship ending with Cordae will likely help her. I don't think she's designed to carry a lot of baggage.
The best measurement of how big a star you are is the amount of endorsements, and how much you get paid. That was how we always knew Roger was more popular than anybody. And the fact that he lost almost no endorsements after retirement was a sign of his stardom.
Osaka has lost a lot in that department. Ergo my appraisal that she is no longer a big star, outside of tennis.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2025 11:59 pm
by ti-amie
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:02 am
by Suliso
Now he and Federer are competing who's a better businessman. A slight advantage to Roger currently. Mostly based on his part ownership of "On shoes" company.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:29 am
by skatingfan
Suliso wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:02 am
Now he and Federer are competing who's a better businessman. A slight advantage to Roger currently. Mostly based on his part ownership of "On shoes" company.
They've both got a ways to go to catch up to Ion Tiriac.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:21 pm
by ponchi101
Uhm, not that long a way to go. Roger is already a billionaire (right?) and his image is certainly less controversial than Tiriac's. He already owns a highly valuable exo, and ON SHOES is no longer only shoes. He just needs to land one big name in the NBA (for example) to be able to enter new markets.
Rafa will be able to buy Barcelona soon (the tournament), and also start there.
I say they will be alright, very soon.
Re: Tennis Related - Off Court Serious Issues
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:30 pm
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:21 pm
Uhm, not that long a way to go. Roger is already a billionaire (right?) and his image is certainly less controversial than Tiriac's. He already owns a highly valuable exo, and ON SHOES is no longer only shoes. He just needs to land one big name in the NBA (for example) to be able to enter new markets.
Rafa will be able to buy Barcelona soon (the tournament), and also start there.
I say they will be alright, very soon.
Based on what I could find online Federer's net worth was estimated at 550 million, and Nadal's around 220 million. Tiriac's net worth was estimated at 2 billion, and on one list I found he was listed as the 2nd richest athlete in the world behind only Michael Jordan.