ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023

[ti-amie]

ATP Qualifying Draw Singles

(1) Laslo Djere vs Thanasi Kokkinakis
Nuno Borges vs (11) Daniel Elahi Galan

(2) Arthur Fils vs (WC) Brandon Holt
(WC) Maxime Cressy vs (8) Zhizhen Zhang

(3) Daniel Altmaier vs Christopher O'Connell
Corentin Moutet vs (9) Matteo Arnaldi

(4) Jordan Thompson vs Alexandre Muller
Marc-Andrea Huesler vs (14) Aslan Karatsev

(5) Alexei Popyrin vs Ilya Ivashka
Max Purcell vs (12) Luca Van Assche

(6) Marton Fucsovics vs (Alt) Alexander Shevchenko
(WC) Diego Schwartzman vs (13) Marcos Giron

(7) Aleksandar Vukic vs Jason Kubler
(WC) Rinky Hijikata vs (10) Dusan Lajovic

[skatingfan]

Max Purcell may not make the qualifying tomorrow - currently up a set with Rublev in doubles in Toronto.

[nelslus]

Max Purcell may not make the qualifying tomorrow - currently up a set with Rublev in doubles in Toronto.

....Rublev and Purcell lost to Rajeev and Joe 1-2 hours (or so) ago, third set tiebreaker.....

[ti-amie]

Sunday, August 13, 2023 Day 2

Center Court Starts At 10:00 Am

Qualifying
Ann Li VS (12) Alizé Cornet
Not Before 11:30 AM
Qualifying
(5) Jasmine Paolini VS (15) Camila Osorio
Not Before 2:00 Pm
R64
Ben Shelton VS Christopher Eubanks
Not Before 6:00 Pm
R32
(5) Hugo Nys/Jan Zielinski VS Marcelo Melo/Alexander Zverev
Followed By
R64
(10) Frances Tiafoe VS Tallon Griekspoor

Grandstand Starts At 10:00 Am

Q2
(2) Arthur Fils VS (8) Zhizhen Zhang
Not Before 12:00 Noon
Q2
(Alt) Alexander Shevchenko VS Diego Schwartzman Or Marcos Giron
Followed By
TBD VS TBD - WTA
Not Before 4:00 Pm
R64
Richard Gasquet VS Adrian Mannarino

Porsche Court Starts At 10:00 Am

Qualifying
(2) Varvara Gracheva VS Cristina Bucsa
Not Before 12:00 PM
Qualifying
Xiyu Wang VS TBD
Followed By
Qualifying
TBD VS (14) Martina Trevisan

Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am

Q2
(4) Jordan Thompson VS Marc-Andrea Huesler
Not Before 12:00 Noon
Q2
Laslo Djere Or Thanasi Kokkinakis VS Nuno Borges Or Daniel Elahi Galan
Followed By
TBD VS TBD - WTA

Court 7 Starts At 10:00 Am

Qualifying
(8) Linda Noskova VS Diane Parry
Not Before 12:00 Noon
Q2
Hugo Gaston Or Jason Kubler VS (10) Dusan Lajovic

Court 8 Starts At 10:00 Am

Q2
(3) Daniel Altmaier VS Corentin Moutet
Not Before 12:00 Noon
Q2
(5) Alexei Popyrin VS Max Purcell Or Luca Van Assche
Not Before 2:00 Pm
R32
Robin Haase/Karen Khachanov VS Daniel Evans/Andreas Mies
Followed By
R64
Gregoire Barrere VS Yoshihito Nishioka

[ashkor87]

based on videos of last year, court looks slow to medium, a tad faster than Montreal but not anywhere near the USO.. and the list of champions bears that out - Pliskova, Keys.. since it is not extreme, anything could happen, I guess..should suit Alcaraz, I uppose.. and Rybakina

[ti-amie]

Monday, August 14, 2023 Day 3

Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am

Sloane Stephens VS Elisabetta Cocciaretto
Followed By
(WC) Venus Williams VS (16) Veronika Kudermetova
Followed By
Sebastian Korda VS (15) Borna Coric
Not Before 7:00 Pm
(16) Alexander Zverev VS Grigor Dimitrov
Not Before 8:30 PM
Elina Svitolina VS (WC) Caroline Wozniacki

Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am

Matteo Berrettini VS (12) Felix Auger-Aliassime
Followed By
(WC) John Isner VS (Q) Jordan Thompson
Not Before 3:00 PM
Karolina Muchova VS (12) Beatriz Haddad Maia
Not Before 7:00 PM
(10) Marketa Vondrousova VS Katerina Siniakova
Followed By
Daniel Evans VS Lorenzo Musetti

Stadium 3 Starts At 11:00 Am

Roman Safiullin VS Nicolas Jarry
Followed By
(WC) Brandon Nakashima VS (WC) Stan Wawrinka
Followed By
Lorenzo Sonego VS (Q) Alexander Shevchenko
Not Before 5:00 PM
Ekaterina Alexandrova VS Sorana Cirstea
Followed By
Petra Martic VS (Q) Emma Navarro

Porsche Court Starts At 11:00 Am

(Q) Jasmine Paolini VS Marta Kostyuk
Followed By
(WC) Celine Naef VS Anastasia Potapova
Followed By
Lin Zhu VS Anhelina Kalinina
Followed By
Qinwen Zheng VS (Q) Aliaksandra Sasnovich
Followed By
Bernarda Pera VS (Q) Martina Trevisan

Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am

Emil Ruusuvuori VS (Q) Corentin Moutet
Followed By
Francisco Cerundolo VS (Q) Dusan Lajovic
Followed By
(WC) Christopher Eubanks/Ben Shelton VS Sander Gille/Joran Vliegen
Followed By
Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara VS Max Purcell/Andrey Rublev

Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am

Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow VS Nikola Mektic/John Peers
Followed By
Tereza Mihalikova/Yifan Xu VS Anna Danilina/Oksana Kalashnikova
Followed By
(WC) Mackenzie McDonald/Frances Tiafoe VS Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni
Followed By
Rinky Hijikata/Jason Kubler VS Hubert Hurkacz/Mate Pavic
Followed By
(WC) Bethanie Mattek-Sands/Anastasia Potapova VS Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova/Luisa Stefani

Court 8 After Suitable Rest NB 2PM

(OSE) Caroline Garcia/Marta Kostyuk VS (OSE) Karolina Pliskova/Donna Vekic
After Suitable Rest
(OSE) Elisabetta Cocciaretto/Mayar Sherif VS (OSE) Irina-Camelia Begu/Sara Sorribes Tormo

[ashkor87]

This tournament is pretty inconsequential so far as the USO is concerned..in the past 10 years, only Djokovic in 2018 and Nadal in 2013 have won Cincy and gone on to won the USO. Among women, it is only Serena in 2014..the exception proves the rule!

[ashkor87]

I would hesitate even to make any predictions, since the top players are probably holding their fire.
I do think this is not where they should be aiming to peak, they need to build it up 2 to 4 weeks later. Peaking too soon can hep you win this tournament but not, probably, the USO. I know many folks on this forum dont think 'peaking too early' is a real thing.. I do believe it is, and it is, in fact, one of the reasons for the anomaly in my post above.

[skatingfan]

Nice to see the weather has come to play - players should be worth rain delays after last week.

[ponchi101]

I would hesitate even to make any predictions, since the top players are probably holding their fire.
I do think this is not where they should be aiming to peak, they need to build it up 2 to 4 weeks later. Peaking too soon can hep you win this tournament but not, probably, the USO. I know many folks on this forum dont think 'peaking too early' is a real thing.. I do believe it is, and it is, in fact, one of the reasons for the anomaly in my post above.

But how does that work?
"Well, I want to play well, but no so well, because if I play too well in THIS tournament, I will not play THAT WELL in a tournament that starts TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. So, do I play just at 90% of what I can play, meaning I will run at 90% and hit my shots at 90%? Or do I NOT HIT a few certain shots, meaning I will not practice them, but I will save them for that other tournament?"

The problem with the concept of "peaking early" is that it is tautological. By definition, anybody that wins the USO (or whichever slam we are talking about) "peaked at the right time". If you lost in the third round, you did not peak at the right time.
It is like saying that we can write Sinner and Pegula off as possible USO champs, because they played well enough to win in Canada. It makes no logical sense.

[ashkor87]

yes, it is tricky.. dont know what I would do if I were a player.. fortunately, I am not, not at that level anyway!
It is not tautological because we can predict that whoever wins Cincy (unless his name is Djokovic) will not win the USO because he peaked too early. Let us see what happens.

[ashkor87]

I think here are 3 reasons why the Cincy winner does not usually win the USO
1. it is too close to the USO, so the winner of Cincy could get injured/tired.. even small niggles you pick up can hurt you
2. you have peaked too soon, as argued above
3. the court at Cincy is (probably) significantly slower than the USO.. so not only are the same players not likely to be equally good on both (except the likes of Djokovic/Nada/Serena) but getting into a rhythm on the slower surface will leave you flat-footed and late on the ball at the USO

[meganfernandez]

I would hesitate even to make any predictions, since the top players are probably holding their fire.
I do think this is not where they should be aiming to peak, they need to build it up 2 to 4 weeks later. Peaking too soon can hep you win this tournament but not, probably, the USO. I know many folks on this forum dont think 'peaking too early' is a real thing.. I do believe it is, and it is, in fact, one of the reasons for the anomaly in my post above.

But how does that work?
"Well, I want to play well, but no so well, because if I play too well in THIS tournament, I will not play THAT WELL in a tournament that starts TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. So, do I play just at 90% of what I can play, meaning I will run at 90% and hit my shots at 90%? Or do I NOT HIT a few certain shots, meaning I will not practice them, but I will save them for that other tournament?"

The problem with the concept of "peaking early" is that it is tautological. By definition, anybody that wins the USO (or whichever slam we are talking about) "peaked at the right time". If you lost in the third round, you did not peak at the right time.
It is like saying that we can write Sinner and Pegula off as possible USO champs, because they played well enough to win in Canada. It makes no logical sense.

Peaking too early is a reduction/oversimplification of management. Everyone has to manage their schedule and energy, and that varies by player and the player's changing circumstances. Which is to say - peaking too early is possible for some players, but I don't think it explains most Slam outcomes. I think it applies to streaky players, but the best aren't streaky. They are consistent high-level players who are well-managed.

[meganfernandez]

I would hesitate even to make any predictions, since the top players are probably holding their fire.
I do think this is not where they should be aiming to peak, they need to build it up 2 to 4 weeks later. Peaking too soon can hep you win this tournament but not, probably, the USO. I know many folks on this forum dont think 'peaking too early' is a real thing.. I do believe it is, and it is, in fact, one of the reasons for the anomaly in my post above.

But how does that work?
"Well, I want to play well, but no so well, because if I play too well in THIS tournament, I will not play THAT WELL in a tournament that starts TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. So, do I play just at 90% of what I can play, meaning I will run at 90% and hit my shots at 90%? Or do I NOT HIT a few certain shots, meaning I will not practice them, but I will save them for that other tournament?"

The problem with the concept of "peaking early" is that it is tautological. By definition, anybody that wins the USO (or whichever slam we are talking about) "peaked at the right time". If you lost in the third round, you did not peak at the right time.
It is like saying that we can write Sinner and Pegula off as possible USO champs, because they played well enough to win in Canada. It makes no logical sense.

Peaking too early is reduction/oversimplification of management. Everyone has to manage their schedule and energy, and that varies by player and the player's changing circumstances. Which is to say - peaking too early is possible for some players, but I don't think it explains most Slam outcomes. I think it applies to streaky players, but the best aren't streaky. They are consistent high-level players who are well-managed.

I think court speed and conditions can be a factor, along with environment - Cincy and NY are completely different atmospheres on and off the court, and that affects people. Another big variable is player effort - I doubt every player puts the same intensity into a 1000 as they do a Slam.

As always, I'd widen the scope of any analysis to doing well in both events, not winning both. Going deep should be the marker.

[ashkor87]

btw, Chris Evert referred to this 'peaking at the wrong time' concept too so I am in good company. Does anyone here think she doesnt know whereof she speaks?