by ti-amie Tournament: Kinoshita Group Japan Open Tennis Championships
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Dates: October 16 – October 22 2023
Tier: ATP 500
Surface: Hard
Prize Money: $2,013,940
Total Financial Commitment: $2,178,980
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Taylor Fritz 8 8
2 Casper Ruud 9 9
3 Alexander Zverev 10 10
4 Frances Tiafoe 11 11
5 Alex de Minaur 12 12
6 Tommy Paul 13 13
7 Karen Khachanov 14 15
8 Felix Auger-Aliassime 15 14
Cameron Norrie 16 17
Hubert Hurkacz 17 16
Ben Shelton 20 19
Francisco Cerundolo 21 21
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 31 35
Yoshihito Nishioka 38 46
Mackenzie McDonald 39 39
Andy Murray 40 41
Max Purcell 43 43
Alexei Popyrin 45 45
Daniel Altmaier 49 49
Aleksandar Vukic 50 50
Diego Schwartzman 133 136
Milos Raonic 324 33 (PR)
Kei Nishikori 353 48 (PR)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC) A+
(SE)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Christopher O'Connell 59 53
2 Jordan Thompson 62 56
3 Sebastian Ofner 58 59
4 Zhizhen Zhang 60 60
5 Aslan Karatsev 52 63
6 Marcos Giron 82 64
7 Rinky Hijikata 76 72
8 Thanasi Kokkinakis 71 73
9 Pedro Cachin 73 75
10 Yosuke Watanuki 77 78
11 Brandon Nakashima 123 81
12 Jaume Munar 79 83
13 Daniel Elahi Galan 91 87
14 Nuno Borges 86 88
15 Taro Daniel 96 95
16 Albert Ramos-Vinolas 95 97
17 Cristian Garin 99 102
18 Jack Draper 106 105
19 Jurij Rodionov 107 108
20 Aleksandar Kovacevic 117 116
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
by ti-amie Qualifying Entry Lists
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Aslan Karatsev 52 52
2 Sebastian Ofner 58 58
3 Christopher O'Connell 59 59
4 Zhizhen Zhang 60 60
5 Jordan Thompson 62 62
6 Thanasi Kokkinakis 71 71
7 Pedro Cachin 73 73
8 Rinky Hijikata 76 76
Yosuke Watanuki 77 77
Marcos Giron 82 82
Nuno Borges 86 86
Taro Daniel 96 96
Cristian Garin 99 99
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
Alternates
Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Jack Draper 106 106
2 Jurij Rodionov 107 107
3 Aleksandar Kovacevic 117 117
4 Brandon Nakashima 123 123
5 Marc Polmans 140 140
6 Sho Shimabukuro 148 148
7 Lloyd Harris 149 149
8 Tung-Lin Wu 188 188
9 Shintaro Mochizuki 195 195
10 Jason Jung 232 232
11 Yuta Shimizu 247 247
12 Dane Sweeny 256 256
13 Rio Noguchi 278 278
14 Philip Sekulic 292 292
15 Ergi Kirkin 328 328
16 Skander Mansouri 329 329
17 Marius Copil 330 330
18 Kalin Ivanovski 331 331
19 Yanki Erel 343 343
20 Yasutaka Uchiyama 347 347
by Fastbackss This is one of the crazy things to me about this sport. Halfway around the world (for most players) for a 500 level tournament and someone ranked #53 doesn't even get in the main draw.
Also, 4 wild cards in a 32 person draw is BS.
by ti-amie UPDATED Main Draw Singles Entry Lists
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Taylor Fritz 8 8
2 Casper Ruud 9 9
3 Alexander Zverev 10 10
4 Alex de Minaur 11 12
5 Tommy Paul 12 13
6 Frances Tiafoe 13 11
7 Karen Khachanov 14 15
8 Felix Auger-Aliassime 15 14
Cameron Norrie 16 17
Hubert Hurkacz 17 16
Ben Shelton 20 19
Francisco Cerundolo 21 21
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 31 35
Mackenzie McDonald 38 39
Max Purcell 41 43
Alexei Popyrin 43 45
Daniel Altmaier 47 49
Yoshihito Nishioka 48 46
Sebastian Ofner 49 59
Aslan Karatsev 52 63
Aleksandar Vukic 54 50
Christopher O'Connell 58 53
Zhizhen Zhang 60 60
Jordan Thompson 62 56
(WC) Yosuke Watanuki 79
Diego Schwartzman 130 136
(WC) Sho Shimabukuro 135
(WC) Shintaro Mochizuki 201
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Marcos Giron 80 64
2 Rinky Hijikata 75 72
3 Thanasi Kokkinakis 69 73
4 Pedro Cachin 71 75
6 Brandon Nakashima 122 81
9 Taro Daniel 97 95
10 Albert Ramos-Vinolas 93 97
11 Cristian Garin 98 102
12 Jack Draper 92 105
13 Jurij Rodionov 100 108
14 Aleksandar Kovacevic 146 116
16 Tung-Lin Wu 192 184
19 Denis Kudla 165 205
20 Jason Jung 235 232
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Andy Murray 39 41
Milos Raonic 326 33 (PR)
Kei Nishikori 358 48 (PR)
(SE)
(WC)
by ti-amie UPDATED Qualifying Singles Entry List
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Pedro Cachin 71 73
2 Rinky Hijikata 75 76
3 Marcos Giron 80 82
4 Nuno Borges 85 86
5 Jack Draper 92 106
6 Taro Daniel 97 96
7 Cristian Garin 98 99
8 Jurij Rodionov 100 107
Brandon Nakashima 122 123
Aleksandar Kovacevic 146 117
Tung-Lin Wu 192 188
Jason Jung 235 232
Yuta Shimizu 246 247
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Rio Noguchi 277 278
2 Philip Sekulic 298 292
3 Yasutaka Uchiyama 351 347
4 Hiroki Moriya 368 355
5 Naoki Nakagawa 334 373
6 Strong Kirchheimer 390 402
7 Thai-Son Kwiatkowski 426 437
8 Rubin Statham 440 450
9 Fernando Verdasco 519 461
10 Yuki Mochizuki 500 505
11 Shinji Hazawa 549 553
12 Matthew Dellavedova 583 583
13 Tatsuma Ito 623 631
14 Makoto Ochi 569 653
15 Leonardo Aboian 710 707
16 Daisuke Sumizawa 724 722
17 Aleksandr Braynin 754 752
18 Hikaru Shiraishi 778 804
19 Kosuke Ogura 830 832
20 Keisuke Saitoh 879 881
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Sebastian Ofner 49 58
Aslan Karatsev 52 52
Christopher O'Connell 58 59
Zhizhen Zhang 60 60
Jordan Thompson 62 62
Thanasi Kokkinakis 69 71
Yosuke Watanuki 79 77
by ti-amie Doubles Entry Lists
Entries
Seed Names Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Rohan Bopanna / Matthew Ebden 15 15
2 Marcel Granollers / Horacio Zeballos 27 27
3 Marcelo Arevalo / Jean-Julien Rojer 33 33
4 Sander Gille / Joran Vliegen 37 37
Jamie Murray / Michael Venus 43 43
Nathaniel Lammons / Jackson Withrow 55 55
Nikola Mektic / John Peers 63 63
Alexander Erler / Lucas Miedler 69 69
Rinky Hijikata / Max Purcell 81 78
Mackenzie McDonald / Marcelo Melo 89 78
Ben McLachlan / Yoshihito Nishioka 419 131
Alexei Popyrin / Aleksandar Vukic 740 97
Francisco Cerundolo / Tomas Martin Etcheverry 926 52
(WC) -
(WC) -
(Q) -
Alternates (Advanced)
Names Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Andrew Harris / John-Patrick Smith 192 192
2 Toshihide Matsui / Kaito Uesugi 255 255
3 Seita Watanabe / Takeru Yuzuki 692 692
Withdrawals
Names Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Hugo Nys / Jan Zielinski 44 44
by ti-amie Qualifying Draw
(1) Rinky Hijikata vs (WC) Naoki Nakagawa
Philip Sekulic vs (5) Cristian Garin
(2) Marcos Giron vs (WC) Kaichi Uchida
Yasutaka Uchiyama vs (7) Brandon Nakashima
(3) Jack Draper vs Yuta Shimizu
(WC) Hiroki Moriya vs (6) Jurij Rodionov
(4) Taro Daniel vs Jason Jung
Rio Noguchi vs (8) Tung-Lin Wu
by ti-amie Main Draw Singles
(1) Taylor Fritz vs Cameron Norrie
(WC) Shintaro Mochizuki vs Tomas Martin Etcheverry
(WC) Sho Shimabukuro vs Qualifier
Alexei Popyrin vs (7) Karen Khachanov
(4) Alex de Minaur vs Qualifier
Francisco Cerundolo vs Diego Schwartzman
Zhizhen Zhang vs Hubert Hurkacz
Aslan Karatsev vs (6) Frances Tiafoe
(5) Tommy Paul vs Daniel Altmaier
Mackenzie McDonald vs Max Purcell
Ben Shelton vs Qualifier
Jordan Thompson vs (3) Alexander Zverev
(8) Felix Auger-Aliassime vs Aleksandar Vukic
Sebastian Ofner vs Christopher O'Connell
Yoshihito Nishioka vs Qualifier
(WC) Yosuke Watanuki vs (2) Casper Ruud
by ti-amie Monday, October 16, 2023 Day 3
COLOSSEUM Starts At 11:00 Am
Mackenzie McDonald VS Max Purcell
Followed By
Jordan Thompson VS (3) Alexander Zverev
Followed By
(8) Felix Auger-Aliassime VS Aleksandar Vukic
Not Before 6:00 Pm
Yoshihito Nishioka VS (Q) Marcos Giron
Followed By
(5) Tommy Paul VS Daniel Altmaier
KINOSHITA GROUP ARENA Starts At 11:00 Am
Sebastian Ofner VS Christopher O'Connell
Followed By
Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow VS (WC) Toshihide Matsui/Kaito Uesugi
Followed By
Nikola Mektic/John Peers VS (WC) Sho Shimabukuro/Yosuke Watanuki
by ti-amie Tuesday, October 17, 2023 Day 4
COLOSSEUM Starts At 11:00 Am
(4) Alex de Minaur VS (Q) Jack Draper
Followed By
(1) Taylor Fritz VS Cameron Norrie
Followed By
Ben Shelton VS (Q) Taro Daniel
Not Before 6:00 Pm
(WC) Yosuke Watanuki VS (2) Casper Ruud
Followed By
Aslan Karatsev VS (6) Frances Tiafoe
KINOSHITA GROUP ARENA Starts At 11:00 Am
(WC) Sho Shimabukuro VS (Q) Cristian Garin
Followed By
Alexei Popyrin VS (7) Karen Khachanov
Followed By
Francisco Cerundolo VS Diego Schwartzman
Followed By
(WC) Shintaro Mochizuki VS Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Followed By
(4) Sander Gille/Joran Vliegen VS Mackenzie McDonald/Marcelo Melo
by ti-amie Wednesday, October 18, 2023 Day 5
COLOSSEUM Starts At 11:00 Am
Zhizhen Zhang VS Hubert Hurkacz
Followed By
(8) Felix Auger-Aliassime VS Sebastian Ofner
Followed By
(5) Tommy Paul VS Mackenzie McDonald
Not Before 6:00 Pm
(Q) Marcos Giron VS (2) Casper Ruud
Followed By
Ben Shelton VS Jordan Thompson
KINOSHITA GROUP ARENA Starts At 11:00 Am
Alexei Popyrin/Aleksandar Vukic VS Jamie Murray/Michael Venus
Followed By
Rinky Hijikata/Max Purcell VS (LL) Shintaro Mochizuki/Rio Noguchi
Followed By
(LL) Kaichi Uchida/Yasutaka Uchiyama VS Francisco Cerundolo/Tomas Martin Etcheverry
Followed By
Alexander Erler/Lucas Miedler VS (3) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer
Followed By
(Q) Taisei Ichikawa/Masamichi Imamura VS Ben McLachlan/Yoshihito Nishioka
by ti-amie Thursday, October 19, 2023 Day 6
COLOSSEUM Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Cristian Garin VS Alexei Popyrin
Followed By
(4) Alex de Minaur VS Diego Schwartzman
Followed By
QF
Ben McLachlan/Yoshihito Nishioka VS (3) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer
Not Before 6:00 Pm
(1) Taylor Fritz VS (WC) Shintaro Mochizuki
Followed By
Zhizhen Zhang VS Aslan Karatsev
by ti-amie Friday, October 20, 2023 Day 7
COLOSSEUM Starts At 1:00 Pm
(5) Tommy Paul VS Ben Shelton
Followed By
(8) Felix Auger-Aliassime VS (Q) Marcos Giron
Not Before 6:00 Pm
(4) Alex de Minaur VS Aslan Karatsev
Followed By
(WC) Shintaro Mochizuki VS Alexei Popyrin
KINOSHITA GROUP ARENA Starts At 2:30 Pm / Wheelchair Championships - Singles Final
F
(1) Tokito ODA VS (2) Takashi SANADA
Not Before 4:30 Pm
SF
(3) Marcelo Arevalo/Jean-Julien Rojer VS Rinky Hijikata/Max Purcell
Not Before 5:30 Pm / Wheelchair Championships - Doubles Final
F
(1) Stephane HOUDET/Takashi SANADA VS (2) Satoshi SAIDA/Kouhei SUZUKI
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meganfernandez Mochizuki is 20 years old and had 0 tour wins before this week. Former world #1 junior, assume he got a WC into Tokyo because he's from there. Now he's in the semifinals. Great story. I usually miss the good stuff from Asia because I don't watch the matches and I'm not tuned in. The first point of these highlights (set point) is fantastic.
https://www.tennistv.com/videos/3743545 ... ki-popyrin
Shelton beat Paul in straights to make the semis, too. FAA made a quarterfinal but lost to Giron. Karatsev seems to be on a tear. Who's the favorite for the title, Ben or Karatsev?
by swaydrian+ Shelton all the way! It's been fun watching his meteoric rise since turning pro. 2024 is going to be a good year for him. Best American male as far as I can tell
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meganfernandez swaydrian+ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:47 pm
Shelton all the way! It's been fun watching his meteoric rise since turning pro. 2024 is going to be a good year for him. Best American male as far as I can tell
Yeah, I think so, but I might still take a fully healthy Korda. I've had my chips on Korda as the best American male of this crop for a while.
Shelton is fun to watch and a star in the making. The serve will take him far. He played a Challenger in Indy, where I live, last summer, and he was super nice and down to earth. I hope he gets this title, but I wouldn't be mad if Mochizuki steals it.
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swaydrian+ meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:57 pm
swaydrian+ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:47 pm
Shelton all the way! It's been fun watching his meteoric rise since turning pro. 2024 is going to be a good year for him. Best American male as far as I can tell
Yeah, I think so, but I might still take a fully healthy Korda. I've had my chips on Korda as the best American male of this crop for a while.
Shelton is fun to watch and a star in the making. The serve will take him far. He played a Challenger in Indy, where I live, last summer, and he was super nice and down to earth. I hope he gets this title, but I wouldn't be mad if Mochizuki steals it.
Fair point, Korda did just beat Shelton. Impressive run in Shanghai, especially if not fully healthy. He also beat Medvedev twice this year. No small feat! I'll root for Shelton and also not be mad if Mochizuki runs away with it. Cool Story!
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meganfernandez swaydrian+ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:22 pm
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:57 pm
swaydrian+ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:47 pm
Shelton all the way! It's been fun watching his meteoric rise since turning pro. 2024 is going to be a good year for him. Best American male as far as I can tell
Yeah, I think so, but I might still take a fully healthy Korda. I've had my chips on Korda as the best American male of this crop for a while.
Shelton is fun to watch and a star in the making. The serve will take him far. He played a Challenger in Indy, where I live, last summer, and he was super nice and down to earth. I hope he gets this title, but I wouldn't be mad if Mochizuki steals it.
Fair point, Korda did just beat Shelton. Impressive run in Shanghai, especially if not fully healthy. He also beat Medvedev twice this year. No small feat! I'll root for Shelton and also not be mad if Mochizuki runs away with it. Cool Story!
The Korda-Shelton match was so close! I didn't see it but just love that they are both playing that well. I didn't know Korda has beaten Medvedev twice this year. You're right, once at the Aussie in straights. Korda started the year so well, beating Sinner and almost beating Djokovic, then the run in Melbourne. So sad about the wrist injury. I was more excited about Korda than anyone in January.
by ti-amie Saturday, October 21, 2023 Day 8
COLOSSEUM Starts At 2:00 Pm
SF
Ben Shelton VS (Q) Marcos Giron
Not Before 4:00 Pm
SF
(WC) Shintaro Mochizuki VS Aslan Karatsev
Followed By
SF
Nathaniel Lammons/Jackson Withrow VS Jamie Murray/Michael Venus
by ti-amie I saw a bit of Giron vs Ruud the other night and I was surprised to see Ruud struggling against Giron. He was unable to handle the pace and placement of Giron's shots. As for Shintaro playing his first main tour semi there's a good chance he panics and loses to Karatsev. He's the one player I haven't seen play even a little this week.
by meganfernandez Girón served for the match in the second set - 5-3, I think - and Shelton came back and won it 6-4 in the third.
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by ti-amie Sunday, October 22, 2023 Day 9
COLOSSEUM Starts At 2:00 Pm
F
Jamie Murray/Michael Venus VS Rinky Hijikata/Max Purcell
Not Before 4:30 Pm
F
Aslan Karatsev VS Ben Shelton
by mmmm8 Looks like an easy win for Shelton in the final.
by
meganfernandez mmmm8 wrote:Looks like an easy win for Shelton in the final.
Wonder if he plays Vienna. Has Sinner in R1 probably Tuesday.
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Ben Shelton
@BenShelton
All business this week. 1st title in the books! Arigato Tokyo
by ti-amie
Hijikata and Purcell doubles champions.
by ashkor87 I wouldn't pay much attention to these tournaments...it is the silly season in tennis now, strange inexplicable results are to be expected...only the year-end playoffs are meaningful now.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:21 am
I wouldn't pay much attention to these tournaments...it is the silly season in tennis now, strange inexplicable results are to be expected...only the year-end playoffs are meaningful now.
I assume by meaningful, you mean impact on Slam title favorites. I have to disagree. The points and confidence are meaningful. Wozniacki won Australia because she finished 2017 with a title after going 0-6 or 0-7 in finals since her comeback then. She has said that gave her confidence going into the next year. Who's in form and gaining confidence at this point can matter.
I used to not pay too much attention to the fall indoors season, but I I think these storylines and developments can matter more than we think. Ben's' title is an important culmination of a breakthrough year. If he had gone back to not winning consecutive matches after the US Open, I think his stock would be down by Melbourne. He would be mentioned as a dark horse maybe, but now he will be on the short list of favorites after Djokovic and Alcaraz. I bet he will be the #4 or #5 pick behind Novak, Carlos, Medvedev, and Sinner. A hot pick for sure.
by meganfernandez Yonex must be thrilled with Shelton's win in Tokyo.
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:57 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:21 am
I wouldn't pay much attention to these tournaments...it is the silly season in tennis now, strange inexplicable results are to be expected...only the year-end playoffs are meaningful now.
I assume by meaningful, you mean impact on Slam title favorites. I have to disagree. The points and confidence are meaningful. Wozniacki won Australia because she finished 2017 with a title after going 0-6 or 0-7 in finals since her comeback then. She has said that gave her confidence going into the next year. Who's in form and gaining confidence at this point can matter.
I used to not pay too much attention to the fall indoors season, but I I think these storylines and developments can matter more than we think. Ben's' title is an important culmination of a breakthrough year. If he had gone back to not winning consecutive matches after the US Open, I think his stock would be down by Melbourne. He would be mentioned as a dark horse maybe, but now he will be on the short list of favorites after Djokovic and Alcaraz. I bet he will be the #4 or #5 pick behind Novak, Carlos, Medvedev, and Sinner. A hot pick for sure.
Well, yes, the YEC does count. But Garcia could not ride on her performance at YEC last year. As for Shelton and Korda, if they weren't American, I don't think anyone would care. They are still far behind Medvedev, Sinner ..
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote:meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:57 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:21 am
I wouldn't pay much attention to these tournaments...it is the silly season in tennis now, strange inexplicable results are to be expected...only the year-end playoffs are meaningful now.
I assume by meaningful, you mean impact on Slam title favorites. I have to disagree. The points and confidence are meaningful. Wozniacki won Australia because she finished 2017 with a title after going 0-6 or 0-7 in finals since her comeback then. She has said that gave her confidence going into the next year. Who's in form and gaining confidence at this point can matter.
I used to not pay too much attention to the fall indoors season, but I I think these storylines and developments can matter more than we think. Ben's' title is an important culmination of a breakthrough year. If he had gone back to not winning consecutive matches after the US Open, I think his stock would be down by Melbourne. He would be mentioned as a dark horse maybe, but now he will be on the short list of favorites after Djokovic and Alcaraz. I bet he will be the #4 or #5 pick behind Novak, Carlos, Medvedev, and Sinner. A hot pick for sure.
Well, yes, the YEC does count. But Garcia could not ride on her performance at YEC last year. As for Shelton and Korda, if they weren't American, I don't think anyone would care. They are still far behind Medvedev, Sinner ..
Garcia is one example. One can find a single example (or a few) of anything. I think in an objective sense, these events matter - they offer points that affect rankings, and any wins are confidence-builders. Whether they have much predictive value, who knows. I don’t think any more or less than any other tournament of the same level (250, 500, etc) at any time of the year. Regardless, these events matter on their own.
Re: Shelton and Korda, i think the reason they matter is because they have been hyped and shown a lot of potential. More so than Bublik.
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by ponchi101 More so than Bublik because we know Bublik and he can now go three 1R tournaments in a row because he will not give one flying (expletive) about the game for a while. Bublik LIKES the sport; he certainly does not play as if he LOVES the sport.
Shelton and Korda are not like that.
by ashkor87 It is not just Garcia..Muguruza, Svitolina, Radwanska, Cibulkova..all won since 2015 ..they did nothing the next year or two ..if anything, the exceptions are those who did...Barty, Wozniacki...
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:19 am
It is not just Garcia..Muguruza, Svitolina, Radwanska, Cibulkova..all won since 2015 ..they did nothing the next year or two ..if anything, the exceptions are those who did...Barty, Wozniacki...
Okay, keep going past 2015.
That was a period of WTA parity in general. My point is this season matters on its own as much as any other season - predictive value isn't the only thing that matters in tennis, although I'm not so sure this season has any less predictive value than any other 2 months of the year.
Fans are obsessed with predictive value instead of what's actually happening at the time. Always racing ahead.
But I do think the confidence built in this part of the season can affect the next season. The points definitely do.
by ashkor87 Fair enough..what I am saying is that the intensity players bring to these tournaments is much less than they bring in the regular season so strange results can happen, we should ignore them, not expect them to happen again
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote:Fair enough..what I am saying is that the intensity players bring to these tournaments is much less than they bring in the regular season so strange results can happen, we should ignore them, not expect them to happen again
Top players and injured players, for sure. The incentives are different. I think it’s indicative of what’s happening just below the very top tier, and that tier can have an impact next year. But it’s more indicative of who has had a good year, who had built up to this and who is still engaged.
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by ponchi101 I will only say: I don't like it when we say that tournaments are "not worth it".
Tell that to the winner. Tell that to any player that won (for example) only Umag in his career, or Cluj-Napoca. Tell them that it is meaningless.
I know, these tournaments are not Slams, but the players that show up and play should feel as good as possible if they win them.
Rest of the year be damned.
by ashkor87 Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote:Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
Jon Wertheim was right with you in today’s Mailbag, Ashkor!
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:15 pm
ashkor87 wrote:Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
Jon Wertheim was right with you in today’s Mailbag, Ashkor!
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Wertheim has gone behind a paywall so I don't get to read him any more..I like him a lot
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote:meganfernandez wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:15 pm
ashkor87 wrote:Of course, players will see things differently from us fans..we don't get the points or prize money!
Jon Wertheim was right with you in today’s Mailbag, Ashkor!
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Wertheim has gone behind a paywall so I don't get to read him any more..I like him a lot
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