by ti-amie DAY 7: SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 1

ARTHUR ASHE STADIUM

12:00 PM

MEN'S SINGLES R4
A. Rublev [6] vs BUL G. Dimitrov [9]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
Not before 2:30 PM
USA E. Navarro [13]
vs USA C. Gauff [3]
7:00 PM
MEN'S SINGLES R4
Upcoming
USA F. Tiafoe [20] vs AUS A. Popyrin [28]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
Upcoming
CHN Q. Zheng [7]
vs CRO D. Vekic [24]

LOUIS ARMSTRONG STADIUM
11:00 AM

WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
ESP P. Badosa [26] vs CHN Y. Wang
MEN'S SINGLES R4
Not before 1:00 PM
NOR C. Ruud [8] vs USA T. Fritz [12]
MEN'S SINGLES R4
Not before 4:30 PM
USA B. Nakashima vs GER A. Zverev [4]
WOMEN'S SINGLES R4
Upcoming
BEL E. Mertens [33]
vs A. Sabalenka [2]

GRANDSTAND
11:00 AM

MEN'S DOUBLES R3
ESP M. Granollers [1]/ARG H. Zeballos [1] vs IND Y. Bhambri/FRA A. Olivetti
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
Not before 1:00 PM
M. Andreeva/A. Pavlyuchenkova vs TBD
MEN'S DOUBLES R3
Upcoming
POR N. Borges/POR F. Cabral vs AUS M. Purcell [7]/AUS J. Thompson [7]
MIXED DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA A. Krueger/USA T. Kwiatkowski vs AUS E. Perez/BEL S. Gille

STADIUM 17
1:00 PM

WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
USA A. Muhammad/GBR H. Watson vs CZE K. Siniakova [3]/USA T. Townsend [3]
WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
Not before 3:00 PM
BRA B. Haddad Maia [12]/GER L. Siegemund [12] vs UKR L. Kichenok [7]/LAT J. Ostapenko [7]
MIXED DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
KAZ A. Danilina/FIN H. Heliovaara vs ESP C. Bucsa/BEL J. Vliegen

COURT 5
11:00 AM

WOMEN'S DOUBLES R3
CAN G. Dabrowski [1]/NZL E. Routliffe [1] vs ROU J. Cristian/ITA A. Moratelli
MEN'S DOUBLES R3
Not before 12:30 PM
ITA S. Bolelli [5]/ITA A. Vavassori [5] vs GER K. Krawietz [10]/GER T. Puetz [10]
MEN'S DOUBLES R3
Upcoming
ARG M. Gonzalez [16]/ARG A. Molteni [16] vs IND R. Bopanna [2]/AUS M. Ebden [2]
MIXED DOUBLES R2
Upcoming
USA M. Mateas/USA M. McDonald vs ITA S. Errani [3]/ITA A. Vavassori [3]

by dryrunguy Describe Rublev's career thus far in one word.

by ponchi101
dryrunguy wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:01 pm Describe Rublev's career thus far in one word.
Psychotic.

by ti-amie
dryrunguy wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:01 pm Describe Rublev's career thus far in one word.
Should-a

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by ponchi101 Love Emma, but she did not win. Coco lost. She played very poorly.
For a guy that prides himself of having been mentally tough, Gilbert brings very little teaching in that department. You can tell that Coco's serving woes are mental. And Gilbert can't seem able to fix it.
Sabalenka's coach fixed hers. Zverev fixed his own issues. So it can be done.

by ponchi101 Truly amazing how Popyrin's game disintegrated in a matter of minutes.
He is back to being Alexei Popyrin before Montreal.

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by patrick
ti-amie wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:23 pm
dryrunguy wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:01 pm Describe Rublev's career thus far in one word.
Should-a
Could-a, would-a but did n't

by ti-amie It's going three between Vekic and Zheng Qinwen.

They used to let the fans in the nosebleed seats come down and sit courtside when matches ran this late. It looks like they don't do that anymore.

by ptmcmahon Latest finishing women’s match in US Open history.

by ti-amie
ptmcmahon wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:16 am Latest finishing women’s match in US Open history.
Comm said it ended ten minutes short of three hours. :shock:

Zheng Qinwen won a tough match that was decided by Donna Vekic getting the yips and throwing in back to back doubles and handing Zheng a 5-2 lead in the third set.

I have a feeling these two will be drawn together a lot going forward.

by ti-amie BTW the debate is already starting about the wisdom of scheduling a women's match after a men's match. Sigh. I don't think there's any way a TD wins.

by patrick Tennis Podcast talks about this on a regular basis. Their solution is to start the women's match first in the night session when the men's are playing a best of 5. Of Sharapova entire career, she always played the first match (especially when Djokovic, Nadal or Federer are on the night schedule) while the Williams Sisters played the last match on a normal basis,

by FredX Full circle then - for years the women's match was always first. They only started mixing it up in the last few years for....equity reasons? I don't know. I can't imagine any of the women want to go second even if it makes them the "headliner".

by skatingfan It's not just about which match is going second. They have to be ready to move a match to another court when it's clear the start time is going to be later than say 9 pm.

by ti-amie
skatingfan wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 1:48 pm It's not just about which match is going second. They have to be ready to move a match to another court when it's clear the start time is going to be later than say 9 pm.
Devils advocate.

If play is done for the day on say Armstrong and the cleaning staff have finished do you reopen the court for the second match?

Don't get me wrong I agree that it was unfair to both women to have to play into the early morning but I don't think that the solution is as easy as we think. Overtime pay, security, etc.

by ponchi101
FredX wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 11:40 am Full circle then - for years the women's match was always first. They only started mixing it up in the last few years for....equity reasons? I don't know. I can't imagine any of the women want to go second even if it makes them the "headliner".
Precisely that.
The worst part. It was one hell of a match. Better than Tiafoe-Popyrin.
And it ended with almost empty seats.
They have to drop the two-matches per night session thing.

by skatingfan
ti-amie wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:54 pm
Devils advocate.

If play is done for the day on say Armstrong and the cleaning staff have finished do you reopen the court for the second match?

Don't get me wrong I agree that it was unfair to both women to have to play into the early morning but I don't think that the solution is as easy as we think. Overtime pay, security, etc.
Then they need to start the matches earlier. They had four matches scheduled on Arthur Ashe, and it took 14 hours to play them so they can't start play at noon.

by jazzyg They used to have just 1 match. But then one year in the late 80s, Navritilova beat Manuela Maleeva 6-0, 6-0 and there was tremendous complaining. They went to 2 night matches in subsequent years. Although totally unrelated to this point, Maleeva actually beat Martina in the same round the very next year.

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by mmmm8
skatingfan wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:20 pm
ti-amie wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 3:54 pm
Devils advocate.

If play is done for the day on say Armstrong and the cleaning staff have finished do you reopen the court for the second match?

Don't get me wrong I agree that it was unfair to both women to have to play into the early morning but I don't think that the solution is as easy as we think. Overtime pay, security, etc.
Then they need to start the matches earlier. They had four matches scheduled on Arthur Ashe, and it took 14 hours to play them so they can't start play at noon.
Yes, I absolutely do not understand the decision to move Ashe start to noon the last couple of years, the only benefit is they now can have someone practice on Ashe at 10 am and let crowds watch I guess.

Move it back to 11 am and move the night start to 6:30 pm.

by ponchi101 Make the courts faster.
At all slams.
You get these marathon matches because by now, the players can track down any ball on these slow surfaces, and every match lasts way more than before. And, because the serve and volley game was eliminated, you don't get fast matches.
But that is me dreaming.

by FredX It doesn't seem absurd to have just one men's match at night. Twenty years ago there were plenty of empty seats in the night match, they don't have to worry about that now. People will come.
I don't see moving a match to Armstrong in the case of a late start- if people pay to see a star and they go on second, they want to see that person.

What they could do is start Ashe at 11 like all the other courts, schedule just two matches on Ashe and Armstrong but reserve the right to move one of the last outside court matches to those venues at the end of the day session if time allows and there are two straight set blow-outs or leave them at two matches if they are competitve. Then the day session ticket holders get value for their tickets either way and you can make the switch to a six o'clock start.

I do think the idea of making the play faster is another angle to look at it. Making the surfaces faster? Maybe. Playing lets would help a lot, I think. Being more strict about certain things, like making the receiver play to the server's pace might help (no hand raising, you have to be ready). Another thing that has always bugged me is the re-toss - make the shot clock go to to when the racquet strikes the ball and not the toss...you have a certain amount of time to serve...bad toss, too bad.

by mmmm8
FredX wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:48 pm It doesn't seem absurd to have just one men's match at night. Twenty years ago there were plenty of empty seats in the night match, they don't have to worry about that now. People will come.
I don't see moving a match to Armstrong in the case of a late start- if people pay to see a star and they go on second, they want to see that person.

What they could do is start Ashe at 11 like all the other courts, schedule just two matches on Ashe and Armstrong but reserve the right to move one of the last outside court matches to those venues at the end of the day session if time allows and there are two straight set blow-outs or leave them at two matches if they are competitve. Then the day session ticket holders get value for their tickets either way and you can make the switch to a six o'clock start.

I do think the idea of making the play faster is another angle to look at it. Making the surfaces faster? Maybe. Playing lets would help a lot, I think. Being more strict about certain things, like making the receiver play to the server's pace might help (no hand raising, you have to be ready). Another thing that has always bugged me is the re-toss - make the shot clock go to to when the racquet strikes the ball and not the toss...you have a certain amount of time to serve...bad toss, too bad.
They do this already, for both Ashe and Armstrong. It's typically a doubles match as they can expect that to go faster. They did it on WEdensday.

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This went on for a half an hour before the night matches on Wednesday. There's just no time for this - I didn't get home until 3 AM and i still missed the last set of Zverev/Etcheverrey.
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by FredX They do, but it doesn't happen often because Ashe starts an hour later and because Armstrong has three scheduled day matches. If they both had only two scheduled day matches that both started at 11 they would have more flexibility - particularly if those two matches go long and they want to get the night session started on time.

And of course it would help if they didn't do this:
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This went on for a half an hour before the night matches on Wednesday. There's just no time for this - I didn't get home until 3 AM and i still missed the last set of Zverev/Etcheverrey.

by ponchi101 What is that? Pickleball?
Hell of a way to promote a sport, dudes! That's like having kids play soccer before an NFL game.
:confused:

by FredX No, it wasn't THAT bad. Little kids playing little kid tennis over little kid nets...I'm sure it's a good cause, but...no time for this stuff!

by ponchi101
FredX wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:45 pm No, it wasn't THAT bad. Little kids playing little kid tennis over little kid nets...I'm sure it's a good cause, but...no time for this stuff!
Ah, ok. If it is tennis they were playing... Ok.

by ti-amie The three matches on Armstrong allows for that transition day to night match for tv viewers and day session fans who aren't quite ready to leave. That third match is sometimes a pretty good one.

by FredX
ti-amie wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm The three matches on Armstrong allows for that transition day to night match for tv viewers and day session fans who aren't quite ready to leave. That third match is sometimes a pretty good one.
I get it. But if you only schedule two and they go long and fill up the day session, you'll still have plenty of time to switch over to night. If they go short and there's time, you can always pull the fourth match off of one of the other courts and stick it on there.

by ti-amie
FredX wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:45 pm
ti-amie wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:20 pm The three matches on Armstrong allows for that transition day to night match for tv viewers and day session fans who aren't quite ready to leave. That third match is sometimes a pretty good one.
I get it. But if you only schedule two and they go long and fill up the day session, you'll still have plenty of time to switch over to night. If they go short and there's time, you can always pull the fourth match off of one of the other courts and stick it on there.
Oh I agree with you! I just wanted to point out that sometimes they do the right thing re scheduling.

by mmmm8
ponchi101 wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:40 pm What is that? Pickleball?
Hell of a way to promote a sport, dudes! That's like having kids play soccer before an NFL game.
:confused:
USTA brings small kids from tennis camps, etc. on before play to have them be "showcased" on the important big player courts with an audience.It's really cute... when it's at 10:30 am and ends before play is scheduled.