by ti-amieTournament: Roland Garros Location: Paris, France Dates: May 28 - June 11 2023 Tier: Grand Slam Surface: Clay Prize Money: €0 Total Financial Commitment: €0
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Casper Ruud 3 3
4 Daniil Medvedev 4 4
5 Stefanos Tsitsipas 5 5
6 Andrey Rublev 6 6
7 Holger Rune 7 7
8 Jannik Sinner 8 8
9 Felix Auger-Aliassime 9 9
10 Taylor Fritz 10 10
11 Karen Khachanov 11 11
12 Frances Tiafoe 12 12
13 Cameron Norrie 13 13
14 Rafael Nadal 14 14
15 Hubert Hurkacz 15 15
16 Alexander Zverev 16 16
17 Pablo Carreno Busta 17 17
18 Tommy Paul 18 18
19 Alex de Minaur 19 19
20 Lorenzo Musetti 20 20
21 Borna Coric 21 21
22 Matteo Berrettini 22 22
23 Marin Cilic 23 23
24 Nick Kyrgios 24 24
25 Roberto Bautista Agut 25 25
26 Daniel Evans 26 26
27 Sebastian Korda 27 27
28 Denis Shapovalov 28 28
29 Botic van de Zandschulp 29 29
30 Sebastian Baez 30 30
31 Grigor Dimitrov 31 31
32 Francisco Cerundolo 32 32
Miomir Kecmanovic 33 33
Tallon Griekspoor 34 34
Yoshihito Nishioka 35 35
Jiri Lehecka 36 36
Ben Shelton 37 37
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 38 38
Maxime Cressy 39 39
Emil Ruusuvuori 40 40
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 41 41
Richard Gasquet 42 42
Brandon Nakashima 43 43
Benjamin Bonzi 44 44
Lorenzo Sonego 45 45
Adrian Mannarino 46 46
J.J. Wolf 47 47
Diego Schwartzman 48 48
Jack Draper 49 49
Mikael Ymer 50 50
Nicolas Jarry 51 51
Andy Murray 52 52
Roberto Carballes Baena 53 53
Mackenzie McDonald 54 54
Alexander Bublik 55 55
Yibing Wu 56 56
Gregoire Barrere 57 57
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 58 58
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 59 59
Constant Lestienne 60 60
Ilya Ivashka 61 61
Corentin Moutet 62 62
Marc-Andrea Huesler 63 63
Jan-Lennard Struff 64 64
Quentin Halys 65 65
Jason Kubler 66 66
John Isner 67 67
Marcos Giron 68 68
Pedro Cachin 69 69
Dusan Lajovic 70 70
Ugo Humbert 72 72
Alex Molcan 73 73
Filip Krajinovic 74 74
Marton Fucsovics 75 75
Federico Coria 76 76
Soonwoo Kwon 77 77
Laslo Djere 78 78
Nuno Borges 79 79
Arthur Rinderknech 80 80
Alexei Popyrin 81 81
Christopher O'Connell 82 82
Jaume Munar 83 83
Stan Wawrinka 84 84
Marco Cecchinato 85 85
Cristian Garin 86 86
Luca Van Assche 87 87
Max Purcell 88 88
Thiago Monteiro 89 89
Christopher Eubanks 90 90
Jordan Thompson 91 91
Juan Pablo Varillas 92 92
Daniel Altmaier 93 93
Oscar Otte 94 94
Zhizhen Zhang 95 95
Daniel Elahi Galan 96 96
Alexandre Muller 97 97
Alexander Shevchenko 98 98
Hugo Dellien 126 73 (PR)
Lloyd Harris 242 47 (PR)
Gael Monfils 322 35 (PR)
Guido Pella 479 75 (PR)
Jiri Vesely 495 94 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 509 48 (PR)
Jeremy Chardy 637 88 (PR)
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1 David Goffin 99 99
2 Taro Daniel 100 100
3 Dominic Thiem 101 101
4 Michael Mmoh 102 102
5 Fabio Fognini 103 103
6 Aleksandar Kovacevic 104 104
7 Matteo Arnaldi 105 105
8 Roman Safiullin 106 106
9 Hugo Gaston 107 107
10 Pavel Kotov 108 108
11 Borna Gojo 109 109
12 Radu Albot 110 110
13 Thanasi Kokkinakis 111 111
14 Yannick Hanfmann 112 112
15 James Duckworth 113 113
16 Tomas Machac 114 114
17 Yosuke Watanuki 115 115
18 Otto Virtanen 116 116
19 Facundo Bagnis 117 117
20 Jurij Rodionov 118 118
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Jenson Brooksby 71 71
by ti-amieTournament: Roland Garros Location: Paris, France Dates: May 28 - Jun 11, 2023 Level: Grand Slam Surface: Clay
by Suliso In my opinion Nadal will not play at all and Zverev will lose in week one. Not ready to give any percentages except to state the obvious that Alcaraz and Swiatek are favorites.
by ponchi101 Will disagree on Swiatek at 60% solely because defending a slam is such a hard thing to do. Last player, on the women's side, to do that was Serena. I say Swiatek at 50%
Sabalenka at 20% seems correct.
Rybakina at 10%... no. The footwork is not there.
I will give Sakkari your 5% that you gave to Jabeur.
The field get the rest of it (25%). I say Iga makes the final for sure, and we may have a surprise finalist.
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Yeah. Alcaraz is becoming a prohibitive favorite, Novak the second. With Suliso: I don't see Nadal playing, and Zverev will lose early, as will Ruud.
Have to wait for Tsitsipas to play in Rome to see if he has a chance.
by ashkor87 Mm..Sakkari isn't capable of winning even a 1000 level event, A major? No way. You need 'class' to win a major, being a 'tier 2' player isn't enough...which is why I think Rybakina and Jabeur have a much better shot..they have the look and feel - the 'class' of Tier 1 players ..
by jazzyg There is no scenario where Kenin can win it. She would not be in my top 30.
I would put everyone but Swiatek and Sabalenka at 1 percent combined. I cannot see Swiatek losing to anyone other than Sabalenka, and even that is an outside chance.
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:17 am
Mm..Sakkari isn't capable of winning even a 1000 level event, A major? No way. You need 'class' to win a major, being a 'tier 2' player isn't enough...which is why I think Rybakina and Jabeur have a much better shot..they have the look and feel - the 'class' of Tier 1 players ..
Sure, I don't see her winning a slam, not anymore. But that was my way of saying that Jabeur has no chance this year. No preparation, and I believe that her injury is not completely healed.
Let's wait a couple of extra matches for Rybakina. Yesterday's match against Paolini was a close call, against a player with basically no weapons.
by ti-amie
by ti-amieATP Qualifying Entry Lists
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Aslan Karatsev 53 121
2 Dominic Thiem 96 93
3 Matteo Arnaldi 99 105
4 Yannick Hanfmann 101 108
5 Borna Gojo 102 110
6 Thanasi Kokkinakis 104 111
7 Juan Manuel Cerundolo 105 104
8 James Duckworth 106 102
9 Pavel Kotov 108 101
10 Taro Daniel 109 109
11 Hugo Gaston 110 106
12 Yosuke Watanuki 111 117
13 Radu Albot 112 103
14 Aleksandar Kovacevic 113 107
15 Dominic Stricker 115 129
16 Emilio Gomez 116 115
17 Otto Virtanen 117 114
18 Michael Mmoh 118 113
19 Arthur Fils 119 124
20 Giulio Zeppieri 120 125
21 Zsombor Piros 121 118
22 Sebastian Ofner 122 130
23 Facundo Bagnis 123 116
24 Hugo Grenier 124 128
25 Tomas Machac 125 123
26 Francesco Passaro 126 120
27 Aleksandar Vukic 127 142
28 Gijs Brouwer 128 122
29 Filip Misolic 129 126
30 Fabio Fognini 130 127
31 Zizou Bergs 131 132
32 Jurij Rodionov 132 119
Norbert Gombos 133 134
Facundo Diaz Acosta 134 160
Fabian Marozsan 135 137
Lukas Klein 136 143
Denis Kudla 137 146
Liam Broady 138 136
Rinky Hijikata 139 141
Raul Brancaccio 140 140
Jozef Kovalik 141 147
Pedro Martinez 142 139
Tomas Barrios Vera 143 133
Timofey Skatov 144 144
Andrea Vavassori 145 164
Elias Ymer 146 149
Kaichi Uchida 147 150
Maximilian Marterer 148 145
Dominik Koepfer 149 158
Thiago Agustin Tirante 150 151
Luca Nardi 151 152
Camilo Ugo Carabelli 152 131
Enzo Couacaud 153 153
Tim van Rijthoven 154 155
Joao Sousa 156 162
Leandro Riedi 158 156
Vit Kopriva 159 166
Benoit Paire 160 161
Andrea Pellegrino 161 170
Gabriel Diallo 162 169
Jelle Sels 163 171
Mattia Bellucci 165 165
Ivan Gakhov 167 167
Riccardo Bonadio 168 180
Zdenek Kolar 169 206
Franco Agamenone 170 148
Emilio Nava 171 173
Damir Dzumhur 172 186
Nikoloz Basilashvili 173 138
Dennis Novak 174 159
Felipe Meligeni Alves 175 176
Kimmer Coppejans 176 178
Oleksii Krutykh 177 183
Luciano Darderi 178 190
Jan Choinski 179 179
Geoffrey Blancaneaux 180 174
Tung-Lin Wu 181 181
Francesco Maestrelli 182 172
Flavio Cobolli 183 182
Seong-chan Hong 184 194
Joris De Loore 185 198
Maximilian Neuchrist 186 184
Steve Johnson 187 185
Ryan Peniston 189 163
Alejandro Tabilo 190 154
Alexander Ritschard 191 195
Marc Polmans 192 209
Yu Hsiou Hsu 193 188
Juncheng Shang 194 189
Laurent Lokoli 195 187
Arthur Cazaux 197 204
Andrea Collarini 198 177
Antoine Escoffier 199 196
Chun-Hsin Tseng 201 193
Matteo Gigante 202 199
Antoine Bellier 203 201
Nicolas Kicker 204 210
Nicholas David Ionel 205 202
Rio Noguchi 206 203
Nicolas Moreno De Alboran 207 205
Brandon Holt 208 192
Gauthier Onclin 209 214
Dimitar Kuzmanov 211 191
Adrian Andreev 212 207
Hamad Medjedovic 214 212
Ricardas Berankis 216 217
Raphael Collignon 217 211
Altug Celikbilek 218 208
Federico Delbonis 220 215
Nick Hardt 221 220
Genaro Alberto Olivieri 222 200
Henri Laaksonen 223 218
Michael Geerts 224 216
Dalibor Svrcina 229 219
Evan Furness 288 213
Alex Bolt 378 203 (PR)
Pablo Cuevas 455 218 (PR)
Egor Gerasimov 672 173 (PR)
Lucas Pouille 678 215 (PR)
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Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Juan Pablo Ficovich 225 221
2 Shintaro Mochizuki 213 222
3 Frederico Ferreira Silva 215 223
4 Li Tu 241 225
5 Pierre-Hugues Herbert 397 225 (PR)
6 Thiago Seyboth Wild 188 226
7 Zachary Svajda 228 227
8 Cem Ilkel 231 228
9 Lorenzo Giustino 267 229
10 Mariano Navone 219 230
11 Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard 233 231
12 Nicolas Mejia 235 232
13 Santiago Rodriguez Taverna 237 233
14 Jesper de Jong 210 234
15 Renzo Olivo 260 235
16 Marco Trungelliti 227 236
17 Sho Shimabukuro 234 237
18 Dane Sweeny 236 238
19 Pablo Llamas Ruiz 239 239
20 Aziz Dougaz 232 240
by ponchi101 Karatsev will get in directly because we know there will be retirements. Thiem too, but that a two time finalist returning from injury has not been given a WC is very odd.
by ptmcmahon
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 11:41 am
Early estimates:
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The field 1% (because some literalists here don't like 0%)
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Hehe...
I'd be fine even with a 0.1 if ya want... just not 0.0!
There's a couple only somewhat long shots not listed so I'd back the field up to maybe 3-4%.
by ashkor87
jazzyg wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 1:21 pm
There is no scenario where Kenin can win it. She would not be in my top 30.
I would put everyone but Swiatek and Sabalenka at 1 percent combined. I cannot see Swiatek losing to anyone other than Sabalenka, and even that is an outside chance.
Rybakina has repeatedly beaten her in straight sets! so she has a shot... I wouldnt have expected Rybakina to beat Swiatek on a slow surface like IW but she did..
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 3:38 pm
Will disagree on Swiatek at 60% solely because defending a slam is such a hard thing to do. Last player, on the women's side, to do that was Serena. I say Swiatek at 50%
Sabalenka at 20% seems correct.
Rybakina at 10%... no. The footwork is not there.
I will give Sakkari your 5% that you gave to Jabeur.
The field get the rest of it (25%). I say Iga makes the final for sure, and we may have a surprise finalist.
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Yeah. Alcaraz is becoming a prohibitive favorite, Novak the second. With Suliso: I don't see Nadal playing, and Zverev will lose early, as will Ruud.
Have to wait for Tsitsipas to play in Rome to see if he has a chance.
well, Nadal has done it (retaining a major title) some 10 times, and I would say Swiatek is in the same league when it comes to clay so why not?
by skatingfan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:40 pm
Karatsev will get in directly because we know there will be retirements. Thiem too, but that a two time finalist returning from injury has not been given a WC is very odd.
Thiem might - Karatsev won't - remember that next in is not the top of the qualifying list - it's the top of the entry list.
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:12 am
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well, Nadal has done it (retaining a major title) some 10 times, and I would say Swiatek is in the same league when it comes to clay so why not?
I was talking WTA. In the ATP, Rafa and Novak has done it repeatedly.
And if you are putting Swiatek in the same league as Rafa.... she'll love you for that
by Suliso Swiatek is not Nadal, but she is the 2nd coming of Henin. I can't think of any two Slam winners who would remind me of each other so much (never mind the one handed backhand).
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:12 am
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well, Nadal has done it (retaining a major title) some 10 times, and I would say Swiatek is in the same league when it comes to clay so why not?
I was talking WTA. In the ATP, Rafa and Novak has done it repeatedly.
And if you are putting Swiatek in the same league as Rafa.... she'll love you for that
I am not saying Swiatek will win 14 ! But a couple back to back? Sure, why not? Her dominance on clay is pretty , well, not absolute, but high for sure.
by ponchi101 I know what you mean. And yes, she will be the favorite. As I said, it was just the only possibility I see for her not to win.
And I say she will end with 5-6 RG's. She just loves the surface too much.
by ashkor87
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:11 pm
Swiatek is not Nadal, but she is the 2nd coming of Henin. I can't think of any two Slam winners who would remind me of each other so much (never mind the one handed backhand).
Swiatek reminds me of Seles more than Henin- rhe impossible angles, flat winners from anywhere, the mental strength ..the awkward-looking shots I would not advise any kid to emulate, above all, the disregard for the score at any moment in the match .
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:11 pm
Swiatek is not Nadal, but she is the 2nd coming of Henin. I can't think of any two Slam winners who would remind me of each other so much (never mind the one handed backhand).
Swiatek reminds me of Seles more than Henin- rhe impossible angles, flat winners from anywhere, the mental strength ..the awkward-looking shots I would not advise any kid to emulate, above all, the disregard for the score at any moment in the match .
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by ti-amieROLAND-GARROS 2023: WILDCARDS ANNOUNCED
MONDAY 15 MAY 2023
The wildcards for the Roland-Garros 2023 women’s and men’s qualifying competitions and final draw competitions have been finalised.
At the suggestion of National Technical Director Nicolas Escudé, the President of the FFT, Gilles Moretton, and Tournament Director Amélie Mauresmo are delighted to announce the wildcards allocated for the Qualifying tournament (22nd to 26th May) and for the main draw of the women’s and men’s singles tournaments (28th May to 11th June) at Roland-Garros 2023.
Please note that the wildcards allocated within the framework of the agreement between the FFT and the Australian and American tennis federations (Tennis Australia and USTA) will be announced at a later date.
Women's singles (main draw)
Clara BUREL - Age 22 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.108 - "Destination Roland-Garros" wildcard - International race
Séléna JANICIJEVIC - Age 20 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.189
Léolia JEANJEAN - Age 27 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.125
Kristina MLADENOVIC - Age 30 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.153
Diane PARRY - Age 20 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.109
Men's singles (main draw)
Arthur CAZAUX - Age 20 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.197
Arthur FILS - Age 18 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.119 - "Destination Roland-Garros" wildcard - French tour
Hugo GASTON - Age 22 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.110
Hugo GRENIER - Age 27 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.124
Giovanni MPETSHI-PERRICARD - Age 19 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.233
Benoît PAIRE - Age 34 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.160 - "Destination Roland-Garros" wildcard - International race*
*Erratum: following an FFT review, the internatonial race Wildcard initially awarded to Hugo Gaston will be given to Benoît Paire
Jessika PONCHET - Age 26 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.119 - "Destination Roland-Garros" wildcard - French race
Women's singles (Qualifying)
Audrey ALBIE - Age 28 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.241
Loïs BOISSON - Age 19 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.495
Emeline DARTRON - Age 23 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.393
Fiona FERRO - Age 26 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.392
Emma LENE - Age 23 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.418
Daphnée MPETSHI-PERRICARD - Age 14 - No WTA ranking
Nina RADOVANOVIC - Age 19 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.558
Margaux ROUVROY - Age 22 - WTA ranking (8th May): No.292 - "Destination Roland-Garros" wildcard - French race
Alice TUBELLO - Age 22 ans - WTA ranking (8th May): No.342
Men's singles (Qualifying)
Dan ADDED - Age 24 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.251
Térence ATMANE - Age 21 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.249 - "Destination Roland-Garros" wildcard - International race
Gabriel DEBRU - Age 17 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.533
Titouan DROGUET - Age 21 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.275
Mathys ERHARD - Age 21 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.361
Arthur GEA - Age 18 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.982
Antoine GHIBAUDO - Age 18 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.734
Sascha GUEYMARD-WAYENBURG - Age 19 - ATP ranking (8th May): No.396
Harold MAYOT - Age 21 ans - ATP ranking (8th May): No.196 - "Destination Roland-Garros" wildcard - French race
by ashkor87 So Alcaraz lost at Rome.. good for him, he can learn from defeats - he is still young. He is still my favorite to win the French Open.. slightly less so than Swiatek because of the formidable presence of Djokovic, and perhaps Nadal..
by ti-amie I really hope Rafa doesn't play.
by ashkor87 Well, he has to show up somewhere, sometime..RG could be a good place ..
by ponchi101 He can show up for his HOF induction ceremony and that will be fine.
If the last image we have of him at Philip Chatrier is him holding the 2022 trophy, that is fine too. I just don't want the last photo to be him shaking hands to some player ranked 50+, exiting the tournament in 2R.
by JazzNU Nicolas Escudé? Feel like I haven't heard that name referenced in decades.
The FFT's wildcard process continues to suck.
by ti-amieUPDATED Mens Singles Entry Lists
Entries
Seed* Name Current Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Novak Djokovic 1 1
2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Daniil Medvedev 3 4
4 Casper Ruud 4 3
5 Stefanos Tsitsipas 5 5
6 Andrey Rublev 6 6
7 Holger Rune 7 7
8 Jannik Sinner 8 8
9 Taylor Fritz 9 10
10 Felix Auger-Aliassime 10 9
11 Karen Khachanov 11 11
12 Frances Tiafoe 12 12
13 Cameron Norrie 13 13
14 Rafael Nadal 14 14
15 Hubert Hurkacz 15 15
16 Borna Coric 16 21
17 Tommy Paul 17 18
18 Alex de Minaur 18 19
19 Lorenzo Musetti 19 20
20 Matteo Berrettini 20 22
21 Pablo Carreno Busta 21 17
22 Alexander Zverev 22 16
23 Marin Cilic 23 23
24 Daniel Evans 24 26
25 Roberto Bautista Agut 25 25
26 Denis Shapovalov 27 28
27 Jan-Lennard Struff 28 64
28 Sebastian Korda 29 27
29 Botic van de Zandschulp 30 29
30 Francisco Cerundolo 31 32
31 Yoshihito Nishioka 32 35
32 Grigor Dimitrov 33 31
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 34 38
Ben Shelton 35 37
Tallon Griekspoor 36 34
Miomir Kecmanovic 37 33
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 38 41
Jiri Lehecka 39 36
Sebastian Baez 40 30
Maxime Cressy 41 39
Andy Murray 42 52
Emil Ruusuvuori 43 40
Richard Gasquet 44 42
Adrian Mannarino 45 46
Dusan Lajovic 46 70
Brandon Nakashima 47 43
Lorenzo Sonego 48 45
Alexander Bublik 49 55
Ugo Humbert 50 72
Roberto Carballes Baena 51 53
Mikael Ymer 52 50
J.J. Wolf 54 47
Mackenzie McDonald 55 54
Nicolas Jarry 56 51
Yibing Wu 57 56
Jack Draper 58 49
Alex Molcan 59 73
Marcos Giron 60 68
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 61 59
Laslo Djere 62 78
Gregoire Barrere 63 57
Benjamin Bonzi 64 44
Daniel Altmaier 65 93
Jason Kubler 66 66
Corentin Moutet 67 62
Pedro Cachin 68 69
Zhizhen Zhang 69 95
Constant Lestienne 70 60
Quentin Halys 71 65
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 72 58
Ilya Ivashka 73 61
Filip Krajinovic 74 74
Jaume Munar 75 83
Alexei Popyrin 77 81
Christopher O'Connell 78 82
Cristian Garin 79 86
Jordan Thompson 80 91
John Isner 81 67
Marc-Andrea Huesler 82 63
Marco Cecchinato 83 85
Stan Wawrinka 84 84
Luca Van Assche 85 87
Christopher Eubanks 86 90
Max Purcell 87 88
Nuno Borges 88 79
Arthur Rinderknech 89 80
Federico Coria 90 76
Diego Schwartzman 91 48
Marton Fucsovics 92 75
Alexander Shevchenko 93 98
Daniel Elahi Galan 94 96
Juan Pablo Varillas 97 92
Thiago Monteiro 98 89
Alexandre Muller 100 97
(WC) Thanasi Kokkinakis 104
David Goffin 107 99
Taro Daniel 109 100
(WC) Hugo Gaston 110
Oscar Otte 114 94
(WC) Arthur Fils 119
(WC) Hugo Grenier 124
Hugo Dellien 157 73 (PR)
(WC) Benoit Paire 160
(WC) Arthur Cazaux 197
(WC) Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard 233
Lloyd Harris 297 47 (PR)
(WC) Patrick Kypson 326
Gael Monfils 389 35 (PR)
Jiri Vesely 456 94 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 473 48 (PR)
Guido Pella 484 75 (PR)
Jeremy Chardy 591 88 (PR)
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1 Dominic Thiem 96 101
2 Michael Mmoh 118 102
3 Fabio Fognini 130 103
4 Aleksandar Kovacevic 113 104
5 Matteo Arnaldi 99 105
6 Roman Safiullin 103 106
8 Pavel Kotov 108 108
9 Borna Gojo 102 109
10 Radu Albot 112 110
12 Yannick Hanfmann 101 112
13 James Duckworth 106 113
14 Tomas Machac 125 114
15 Yosuke Watanuki 111 115
16 Otto Virtanen 117 116
17 Facundo Bagnis 123 117
18 Jurij Rodionov 132 118
19 Sebastian Ofner 122 119
20 Emilio Gomez 116 120
1 Aslan Karatsev 53 121
2 Dominic Thiem 96 93
3 Matteo Arnaldi 99 105
4 Yannick Hanfmann 101 108
5 Borna Gojo 102 110
6 Juan Manuel Cerundolo 105 104
7 James Duckworth 106 102
8 Pavel Kotov 108 101
9 Yosuke Watanuki 111 117
10 Radu Albot 112 103
11 Aleksandar Kovacevic 113 107
12 Dominic Stricker 115 129
13 Emilio Gomez 116 115
14 Otto Virtanen 117 114
15 Michael Mmoh 118 113
16 Giulio Zeppieri 120 125
17 Zsombor Piros 121 118
18 Sebastian Ofner 122 130
19 Facundo Bagnis 123 116
20 Tomas Machac 125 123
21 Francesco Passaro 126 120
22 Aleksandar Vukic 127 142
23 Gijs Brouwer 128 122
24 Filip Misolic 129 126
25 Fabio Fognini 130 127
26 Zizou Bergs 131 132
27 Jurij Rodionov 132 119
28 Norbert Gombos 133 134
29 Facundo Diaz Acosta 134 160
30 Fabian Marozsan 135 137
31 Lukas Klein 136 143
32 Denis Kudla 137 146
Liam Broady 138 136
Rinky Hijikata 139 141
Raul Brancaccio 140 140
Jozef Kovalik 141 147
Pedro Martinez 142 139
Tomas Barrios Vera 143 133
Timofey Skatov 144 144
Andrea Vavassori 145 164
Elias Ymer 146 149
Kaichi Uchida 147 150
Maximilian Marterer 148 145
Dominik Koepfer 149 158
Thiago Agustin Tirante 150 151
Luca Nardi 151 152
Camilo Ugo Carabelli 152 131
Enzo Couacaud 153 153
Tim van Rijthoven 154 155
Joao Sousa 156 162
Leandro Riedi 158 156
Vit Kopriva 159 166
Andrea Pellegrino 161 170
Gabriel Diallo 162 169
Jelle Sels 163 171
Mattia Bellucci 165 165
Ivan Gakhov 167 167
Riccardo Bonadio 168 180
Zdenek Kolar 169 206
Franco Agamenone 170 148
Emilio Nava 171 173
Damir Dzumhur 172 186
Nikoloz Basilashvili 173 138
Dennis Novak 174 159
Felipe Meligeni Alves 175 176
Kimmer Coppejans 176 178
Oleksii Krutykh 177 183
Luciano Darderi 178 190
Jan Choinski 179 179
Geoffrey Blancaneaux 180 174
Tung-Lin Wu 181 181
Francesco Maestrelli 182 172
Flavio Cobolli 183 182
Seong-chan Hong 184 194
Joris De Loore 185 198
Maximilian Neuchrist 186 184
Steve Johnson 187 185
Thiago Seyboth Wild 188 226
Ryan Peniston 189 163
Alejandro Tabilo 190 154
Alexander Ritschard 191 195
Marc Polmans 192 209
Yu Hsiou Hsu 193 188
Juncheng Shang 194 189
Laurent Lokoli 195 187
(WC) Harold Mayot 196
Andrea Collarini 198 177
Antoine Escoffier 199 196
Chun-Hsin Tseng 201 193
Matteo Gigante 202 199
Antoine Bellier 203 201
Nicolas Kicker 204 210
Nicholas David Ionel 205 202
Rio Noguchi 206 203
Nicolas Moreno De Alboran 207 205
Brandon Holt 208 192
Gauthier Onclin 209 214
Dimitar Kuzmanov 211 191
Adrian Andreev 212 207
Shintaro Mochizuki 213 222
Hamad Medjedovic 214 212
Frederico Ferreira Silva 215 223
Ricardas Berankis 216 217
Raphael Collignon 217 211
Altug Celikbilek 218 208
Federico Delbonis 220 215
Nick Hardt 221 220
Genaro Alberto Olivieri 222 200
Henri Laaksonen 223 218
Michael Geerts 224 216
Juan Pablo Ficovich 225 221
Zachary Svajda 228 227
Dalibor Svrcina 229 219
Li Tu 241 225
(WC) Terence Atmane 249
(WC) Dan Added 251
(WC) Titouan Droguet 275
Evan Furness 288 213
(WC) Mathys Erhard 361
Alex Bolt 378 203 (PR)
(WC) Sascha Gueymard Wayenburg 396
Pierre-Hugues Herbert 397 225 (PR)
Pablo Cuevas 455 218 (PR)
(WC) Gabriel Debru 533
Egor Gerasimov 672 173 (PR)
Lucas Pouille 678 215 (PR)
(WC) Antoine Ghibaudo 734
(WC) Arthur Gea 982
Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Cem Ilkel 231 228
2 Lorenzo Giustino 267 229
3 Mariano Navone 219 230
4 Nicolas Mejia 235 232
5 Santiago Rodriguez Taverna 237 233
6 Jesper de Jong 210 234
7 Renzo Olivo 260 235
8 Marco Trungelliti 227 236
9 Sho Shimabukuro 234 237
10 Dane Sweeny 236 238
11 Pablo Llamas Ruiz 239 239
12 Aziz Dougaz 232 240
13 Thai-Son Kwiatkowski 648 240 (PR)
15 Bu Yunchaokete 164 242
16 Abdullah Shelbayh 243 243
17 Alexis Galarneau 250 244
18 Yuta Shimizu 245 245
19 Alessandro Giannessi 230 246
20 Tennys Sandgren 244 247
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Thanasi Kokkinakis 104 111
Taro Daniel 109 109
Hugo Gaston 110 106
Arthur Fils 119 124
Hugo Grenier 124 128
Benoit Paire 160 161
Arthur Cazaux 197 204
(All into MD)
by ti-amie The Qualifying Tournament will run from May 22 - to May 26.
by JazzNU So Hanfmann needs 10 withdrawals to get a direct entry? Sheesh.
by Suliso How about Holger Rune's chances of winning RG? Below Alcaraz for sure, but perhaps equal or above everyone else?
by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 2:40 pm
How about Holger Rune's chances of winning RG? Below Alcaraz for sure, but perhaps equal or above everyone else?
I was watching the ATP show a few days ago, and they interviewed several of the top players (Tsitsipas, Zverev, Medevev, Rublev, Ruud, Rune, etc) and asked them about who would win RG.
They all said Alcaraz or Nadal (Nadal the most). The sole exception was Rune. He said "me". He has the attitude.
I don't know if he will win it, but I would say you are correct. He loves the surface, and he is obviously playing well. So, in Askor's fashion, Alcaraz with the top chances, and Rune in that very small second tier (Rune, Novak, whomever wins Rome).
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by ponchi101
But he simply is not ready to play 7 best- of- 5 matches.
by ashkor87 Nadal has withdrawn from RG, says 24 his last year...recovery up to 4 months so maybe he won't play W either, though he didn't say so
by ponchi101 Plus returning from a hip injury to play on slippery grass would not be recommended. The issues in changing directions put a lot of stress on those hips.
He is thinking RG and Olympic Games in 24. Let's see if he can be competitive.
by ashkor87 Revised estimates, with Nadal out:
Men
Alcaraz 50%
Djokovic 40%
Rune 5%
Field 5%
Women
Swiatek 55%
Sabalenka 20%
Rybakina 15%
Jabeur 5%
The field 5%
by ponchi101 Alcaraz 40%. He just lost, on a very similar court, to the #135 player in the world, in comprehensive fashion.
Djokovic 20%. He seems to have an elbow issue, and had Rune not been hurt by a bad line call from the chair umpire and checked out for the 2nd set, that match was done in two.
Rune 15%. MC finalist, Rome SF
Medvedev 10%. He is playing solid tennis on clay.
Rome winner 10%. Because Rome plays so similar to RG. If it is Rune or Medvedev, add this percentage to the one already given.
Field 5%
Swiatek 50% . She pulled from Rome with an injury, and if it is a real injury to a thigh, those don't heal that quickly.
Rybakina 20%. The one player that does not freak out one bit when things are not looking good.
Sabalenka 10%. Sure, did well in Madrid. And then flamed out vs Kenin at Rome.
Ostapenko 10%. She is belting the ball, and they are landing in.
Field 10%. Too many quality players there to count them out so easily: Krejcikova, Sakkari, Pegula, Gauff, Kudermetova, etc.
by patrick
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 4:57 pm
Alcaraz 40%. He just lost, on a very similar court, to the #135 player in the world, in comprehensive fashion.
Djokovic 20%. He seems to have an elbow issue, and had Rune not been hurt by a bad line call from the chair umpire and checked out for the 2nd set, that match was done in two.
Rune 15%. MC finalist, Rome SF
Medvedev 10%. He is playing solid tennis on clay.
Rome winner 10%. Because Rome plays so similar to RG. If it is Rune or Medvedev, add this percentage to the one already given.
Field 5%
Swiatek 50% . She pulled from Rome with an injury, and if it is a real injury to a thigh, those don't heal that quickly.
Rybakina 20%. The one player that does not freak out one bit when things are not looking good.
Sabalenka 10%. Sure, did well in Madrid. And then flamed out vs Kenin at Rome.
Ostapenko 10%. She is belting the ball, and they are landing in. Field 10%. Too many quality players there to count them out so easily: Krejcikova, Sakkari, Pegula, Gauff, Kudermetova, etc.
Krejcikova is coming for you as she has stated she is part of the Big 4.
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2 Carlos Alcaraz 2 2
3 Daniil Medvedev 3 4
4 Casper Ruud 4 3
5 Stefanos Tsitsipas 5 5
6 Andrey Rublev 6 6
7 Holger Rune 7 7
8 Jannik Sinner 8 8
9 Taylor Fritz 9 10
10 Felix Auger-Aliassime 10 9
11 Karen Khachanov 11 11
12 Frances Tiafoe 12 12
13 Cameron Norrie 13 13
14 Hubert Hurkacz 15 15
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16 Tommy Paul 17 18
17 Alex de Minaur 18 19
18 Lorenzo Musetti 19 20
19 Matteo Berrettini 20 22
20 Pablo Carreno Busta 21 17
21 Alexander Zverev 22 16
22 Marin Cilic 23 23
23 Daniel Evans 24 26
24 Roberto Bautista Agut 25 25
25 Denis Shapovalov 27 28
26 Jan-Lennard Struff 28 64
27 Sebastian Korda 29 27
28 Botic van de Zandschulp 30 29
29 Francisco Cerundolo 31 32
30 Yoshihito Nishioka 32 35
31 Grigor Dimitrov 33 31
32 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 34 38
Ben Shelton 35 37
Tallon Griekspoor 36 34
Miomir Kecmanovic 37 33
Bernabe Zapata Miralles 38 41
Jiri Lehecka 39 36
Sebastian Baez 40 30
Maxime Cressy 41 39
Andy Murray 42 52
Emil Ruusuvuori 43 40
Richard Gasquet 44 42
Adrian Mannarino 45 46
Dusan Lajovic 46 70
Brandon Nakashima 47 43
Lorenzo Sonego 48 45
Alexander Bublik 49 55
Ugo Humbert 50 72
Roberto Carballes Baena 51 53
Mikael Ymer 52 50
J.J. Wolf 54 47
Mackenzie McDonald 55 54
Nicolas Jarry 56 51
Yibing Wu 57 56
Jack Draper 58 49
Alex Molcan 59 73
Marcos Giron 60 68
Tomas Martin Etcheverry 61 59
Laslo Djere 62 78
Gregoire Barrere 63 57
Benjamin Bonzi 64 44
Daniel Altmaier 65 93
Jason Kubler 66 66
Corentin Moutet 67 62
Pedro Cachin 68 69
Zhizhen Zhang 69 95
Constant Lestienne 70 60
Quentin Halys 71 65
Albert Ramos-Vinolas 72 58
Ilya Ivashka 73 61
Filip Krajinovic 74 74
Jaume Munar 75 83
Alexei Popyrin 77 81
Christopher O'Connell 78 82
Cristian Garin 79 86
Jordan Thompson 80 91
John Isner 81 67
Marc-Andrea Huesler 82 63
Marco Cecchinato 83 85
Stan Wawrinka 84 84
Luca Van Assche 85 87
Christopher Eubanks 86 90
Max Purcell 87 88
Nuno Borges 88 79
Arthur Rinderknech 89 80
Federico Coria 90 76
Diego Schwartzman 91 48
Marton Fucsovics 92 75
Alexander Shevchenko 93 98
Daniel Elahi Galan 94 96
Dominic Thiem 96 101
Juan Pablo Varillas 97 92
Thiago Monteiro 98 89
Alexandre Muller 100 97
(WC) Thanasi Kokkinakis 104
David Goffin 107 99
Taro Daniel 109 100
(WC) Hugo Gaston 110
Oscar Otte 114 94
(WC) Arthur Fils 119
(WC) Hugo Grenier 124
Hugo Dellien 157 73 (PR)
(WC) Benoit Paire 160
(WC) Arthur Cazaux 197
(WC) Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard 233
Lloyd Harris 297 47 (PR)
(WC) Patrick Kypson 326
Gael Monfils 389 35 (PR)
Jiri Vesely 456 94 (PR)
Kyle Edmund 473 48 (PR)
Guido Pella 484 75 (PR)
Jeremy Chardy 591 88 (PR)
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2 Fabio Fognini 130 103
3 Aleksandar Kovacevic 113 104
4 Matteo Arnaldi 99 105
5 Roman Safiullin 103 106
6 Hugo Gaston 110 107
7 Pavel Kotov 108 108
8 Borna Gojo 102 109
9 Radu Albot 112 110
10 Thanasi Kokkinakis 104 111
11 Yannick Hanfmann 101 112
12 James Duckworth 106 113
13 Tomas Machac 125 114
14 Yosuke Watanuki 111 115
15 Otto Virtanen 117 116
16 Facundo Bagnis 123 117
17 Jurij Rodionov 132 118
18 Sebastian Ofner 122 119
19 Emilio Gomez 116 120
20 Gijs Brouwer 128 121
Withdrawals
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Rafael Nadal 14 14
Nick Kyrgios 26 24
Jenson Brooksby 76 71
Soonwoo Kwon 95 77
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Entries
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1 Aslan Karatsev 53 121
2 Matteo Arnaldi 99 105
3 Yannick Hanfmann 101 108
4 Borna Gojo 102 110
5 Juan Manuel Cerundolo 105 104
6 James Duckworth 106 102
7 Pavel Kotov 108 101
8 Yosuke Watanuki 111 117
9 Radu Albot 112 103
10 Aleksandar Kovacevic 113 107
11 Dominic Stricker 115 129
12 Emilio Gomez 116 115
13 Otto Virtanen 117 114
14 Giulio Zeppieri 120 125
15 Zsombor Piros 121 118
16 Sebastian Ofner 122 130
17 Facundo Bagnis 123 116
18 Tomas Machac 125 123
19 Francesco Passaro 126 120
20 Aleksandar Vukic 127 142
21 Gijs Brouwer 128 122
22 Filip Misolic 129 126
23 Fabio Fognini 130 127
24 Zizou Bergs 131 132
25 Jurij Rodionov 132 119
26 Norbert Gombos 133 134
27 Facundo Diaz Acosta 134 160
28 Fabian Marozsan 135 137
29 Lukas Klein 136 143
30 Denis Kudla 137 146
31 Liam Broady 138 136
32 Rinky Hijikata 139 141
Raul Brancaccio 140 140
Jozef Kovalik 141 147
Pedro Martinez 142 139
Tomas Barrios Vera 143 133
Timofey Skatov 144 144
Andrea Vavassori 145 164
Elias Ymer 146 149
Kaichi Uchida 147 150
Maximilian Marterer 148 145
Dominik Koepfer 149 158
Thiago Agustin Tirante 150 151
Luca Nardi 151 152
Camilo Ugo Carabelli 152 131
Enzo Couacaud 153 153
Joao Sousa 156 162
Leandro Riedi 158 156
Vit Kopriva 159 166
Andrea Pellegrino 161 170
Gabriel Diallo 162 169
Jelle Sels 163 171
Mattia Bellucci 165 165
Ivan Gakhov 167 167
Riccardo Bonadio 168 180
Zdenek Kolar 169 206
Franco Agamenone 170 148
Emilio Nava 171 173
Damir Dzumhur 172 186
Nikoloz Basilashvili 173 138
Dennis Novak 174 159
Felipe Meligeni Alves 175 176
Kimmer Coppejans 176 178
Oleksii Krutykh 177 183
Luciano Darderi 178 190
Jan Choinski 179 179
Geoffrey Blancaneaux 180 174
Tung-Lin Wu 181 181
Francesco Maestrelli 182 172
Flavio Cobolli 183 182
Seong-chan Hong 184 194
Joris De Loore 185 198
Maximilian Neuchrist 186 184
Steve Johnson 187 185
Thiago Seyboth Wild 188 226
Ryan Peniston 189 163
Alejandro Tabilo 190 154
Alexander Ritschard 191 195
Marc Polmans 192 209
Yu Hsiou Hsu 193 188
Juncheng Shang 194 189
Laurent Lokoli 195 187
(WC) Harold Mayot 196
Andrea Collarini 198 177
Antoine Escoffier 199 196
Chun-Hsin Tseng 201 193
Matteo Gigante 202 199
Antoine Bellier 203 201
Nicolas Kicker 204 210
Nicholas David Ionel 205 202
Rio Noguchi 206 203
Nicolas Moreno De Alboran 207 205
Brandon Holt 208 192
Gauthier Onclin 209 214
Dimitar Kuzmanov 211 191
Adrian Andreev 212 207
Shintaro Mochizuki 213 222
Hamad Medjedovic 214 212
Frederico Ferreira Silva 215 223
Ricardas Berankis 216 217
Raphael Collignon 217 211
Altug Celikbilek 218 208
Mariano Navone 219 230
Federico Delbonis 220 215
Nick Hardt 221 220
Genaro Alberto Olivieri 222 200
Henri Laaksonen 223 218
Michael Geerts 224 216
Juan Pablo Ficovich 225 221
Zachary Svajda 228 227
Dalibor Svrcina 229 219
Cem Ilkel 231 228
Li Tu 241 225
(WC) Terence Atmane 249
(WC) Dan Added 251
Lorenzo Giustino 267 229
(WC) Titouan Droguet 275
Evan Furness 288 213
(WC) Mathys Erhard 361
Alex Bolt 378 203 (PR)
(WC) Sascha Gueymard Wayenburg 396
Pierre-Hugues Herbert 397 225 (PR)
Pablo Cuevas 455 218 (PR)
(WC) Gabriel Debru 533
Egor Gerasimov 672 173 (PR)
Lucas Pouille 678 215 (PR)
(WC) Antoine Ghibaudo 734
(WC) Arthur Gea 982
Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Nicolas Mejia 235 232
2 Santiago Rodriguez Taverna 237 233
3 Jesper de Jong 210 234
4 Renzo Olivo 260 235
5 Marco Trungelliti 227 236
6 Sho Shimabukuro 234 237
7 Dane Sweeny 236 238
8 Pablo Llamas Ruiz 239 239
9 Aziz Dougaz 232 240
10 Thai-Son Kwiatkowski 648 240 (PR)
12 Bu Yunchaokete 164 242
13 Abdullah Shelbayh 243 243
14 Alexis Galarneau 250 244
15 Yuta Shimizu 245 245
16 Alessandro Giannessi 230 246
17 Tennys Sandgren 244 247
18 Fernando Verdasco 292 248
19 Francisco Comesana 252 249
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by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:59 pm
Plus returning from a hip injury to play on slippery grass would not be recommended. The issues in changing directions put a lot of stress on those hips.
He is thinking RG and Olympic Games in 24. Let's see if he can be competitive.
Certainly feels like an era is ending....
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 4:57 pm
Alcaraz 40%. He just lost, on a very similar court, to the #135 player in the world, in comprehensive fashion.
Djokovic 20%. He seems to have an elbow issue, and had Rune not been hurt by a bad line call from the chair umpire and checked out for the 2nd set, that match was done in two.
Rune 15%. MC finalist, Rome SF
Medvedev 10%. He is playing solid tennis on clay.
Rome winner 10%. Because Rome plays so similar to RG. If it is Rune or Medvedev, add this percentage to the one already given.
Field 5%
Swiatek 50% . She pulled from Rome with an injury, and if it is a real injury to a thigh, those don't heal that quickly.
Rybakina 20%. The one player that does not freak out one bit when things are not looking good.
Sabalenka 10%. Sure, did well in Madrid. And then flamed out vs Kenin at Rome.
Ostapenko 10%. She is belting the ball, and they are landing in.
Field 10%. Too many quality players there to count them out so easily: Krejcikova, Sakkari, Pegula, Gauff, Kudermetova, etc.
Agree Ostapenko has a shot .krejcikova and kudermetova I include in 'field'..the others you have named, no, they have no chance.. might add Kenin though, she is a proven champion..Vondrousova too has a chance, she is coming back and getting better..
And I don't think Medvedev can beat people like Alcaraz/Djokovic/Rune/Ruud from so far behind the baseline..he doesn't have the power to blow them off the court, except on serve ..
by ponchi101 Notice that Medvedev returns serve from that far back, but then moves in. It is only the return that is extremely back.
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 12:28 am
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Agree Ostapenko has a shot .krejcikova and kudermetova I include in 'field'..the others you have named, no, they have no chance.. might add Kenin though, she is a proven champion..Vondrousova too has a chance, she is coming back and getting better..
And I don't think Medvedev can beat people like Alcaraz/Djokovic/Rune/Ruud from so far behind the baseline..he doesn't have the power to blow them off the court, except on serve ..
My point about WTA FIELD is that I give it 10% vs your 5%. In truth, not much difference.
The wild card now is Iga's injury. We will see in the first few matches.
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ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 12:28 am
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Agree Ostapenko has a shot .krejcikova and kudermetova I include in 'field'..the others you have named, no, they have no chance.. might add Kenin though, she is a proven champion..Vondrousova too has a chance, she is coming back and getting better..
And I don't think Medvedev can beat people like Alcaraz/Djokovic/Rune/Ruud from so far behind the baseline..he doesn't have the power to blow them off the court, except on serve ..
My point about WTA FIELD is that I give it 10% vs your 5%. In truth, not much difference.
The wild card now is Iga's injury. We will see in the first few matches.
True, we are not very far apart..scary!!
by ashkor87 Sabalenka flaming out in Rome is understandable, I would not downplay her chances at RG on that account..she had just won Madrid, and Kenin has the game that would bother her...
by ponchi101 By later today we should know who should be the second favorite: Elena or Aryna.
by ashkor87
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 3:38 pm
Revised estimates, with Nadal out:
Men
Alcaraz 50%
Djokovic 40%
Rune 5%
Field 5%
Women
Swiatek 55%
Sabalenka 20%
Rybakina 15%
Jabeur 5%
The field 5%
well, the Italian Open has not caused me to change any of these estimates...
by Owendonovan Appears to be no rain in the extended weather forecast for Paris.
by ashkor87 Does anyone here think Medvedev has a chance now? I am still unconvinced but ....I like him, wish him well..
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 3:38 pm
Revised estimates, with Nadal out:
Men
Alcaraz 50%
Djokovic 40%
Rune 5%
Field 5%
Women
Swiatek 55%
Sabalenka 20%
Rybakina 15%
Jabeur 5%
The field 5%
well, the Italian Open has not caused me to change any of these estimates...
Made me change mine:
Alcaraz 45%
Medvedev 20%
Rune 15%
Djokovic 10%
Tsitsipas 5%
Field 5%
Swiatek 45%
Rybakina 20%
Sabalenka 15%
Field 20%
That is about how I see it. I might give Tsitsipas's 5% to Ruud, or mix it into the field. But, otherwise, I would agree.
by ponchi101 Yep. That would work too. Only thing against Ruud was that collapse against Rune. But give him 3 good initial rounds and the confidence may come back. But no real difference between Ruud or Stefanos. I agree.
by JTContinental Murray is out with a hip injury
by ashkor87 Medvedev twice as likely as Djoko.? Sounds a bit high to me..Djokovic will still best most people over 5 sets.. and I do think the conditions at Rome made the court less slippery than RG will be..which helped Medvedev...though I admit I haven't actually been able to see a gull match ,,(no tennis. Channel here,,)
by ponchi101 This time I believe Novak's injury is real, because he is not talking about it. He is not saying much, so it must be really bothering him.
Medvedev's progress on clay has been excellent. Against Stefanos, you felt that he was right there all the time and just waited to pounce late in the set. Against Holger, it was very much the same.
And remember. Novak lost to Holger, AFTER having a day's rest. So, in RG, with also having one day in between, we may be seeing the same.
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by ti-amieQualifying Day 2 Order of Play
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ITA F.Agamenone vs ARG F.Diaz Acosta (24)
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UPCOMING SLO T.Zidansek (4) vs UZB N.Abduraimova
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LTU R.Berankis vs ITA R.Brancaccio (30)
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IND A.Raina vs FRA E.Dartron (W)
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ITA F.Maestrelli vs BUL A.Andreev
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FRA A.Tubello (W) vs GER M.Barthel
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UPCOMING HUN Z.Piros (13) vs GER D.Koepfer
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CRO A.Konjuh vs BEL Y.Wickmayer
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GBR J.Choinski vs ARG N.Kicker
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ARG JP.Ficovich vs NED G.Brouwer (19)
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FRA A.Gea (W) vs GBR L.Broady (28)
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GER T.Korpatsch (9) vs SWE M.Bjorklund
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LIE K.Von Deichmann vs UKR D.Snigur
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SUI J.Zuger vs ---A.Zakharova
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UPCOMING
BRA T.Seyboth Wild vs SUI A.Bellier
by JTContinental
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 8:06 pm
Kenin and Colleen both out in R1 of Qualies at the hands of players I've never heard of.
I think remember something about Jones from Wimbledon a couple of years ago. She’s the player who was born with only 4 fingers on each hand, I think.
by ashkor87
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 8:06 pm
Kenin and Colleen both out in R1 of Qualies at the hands of players I've never heard of.
Sad to see a grand slam champion and former RU bring asked to qualify...
by ponchi101 Kenin lost 3&3. If you lose that way in 1R of the qualies, were you really worth of a WC into the main draw?
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 2:06 am
Kenin lost 3&3. If you lose that way in 1R of the qualies, were you really worth of a WC into the main draw?
she beat Sabalenka! and she is a grand slam champion.. how many of those are around?! WTA player of the year in 2020, not so very long ago. The USTA probably did not fight for her- they may regard her as a Russian- who knows?!
by ashkor87 as Brad Gilbert once said (not sure about the numbers) - 10% of the time you will be playing so well nobody can beat you, 10% of the time you will play so badly anyone can beat you.. this must be one of those, for Kenin - anyone can lose in qualifying..
by mick1303 Someone on Youtube reminded of Sinner's slightly snarky comment in Miami - "Let's see how you do on clay". When will they learn that trash-talking DM backfires )) It's like with black Americans - they are allowed to call themselves n**s, but not anybody else. Medvedev himself is allowed to denigrate his clay prowess, but not anybody else.
by ashkor87 It is never a good idea to be snarky with your peers..
by oliver0001 Blast from the past: Sesil KARATANTCHEVA is not only playing but has actually won her first round match! It seems like ages when she made the quarterfinals (and all that drama that followed).
by oliver0001
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 8:06 pm
Kenin and Colleen both out in R1 of Qualies at the hands of players I've never heard of.
There seem to many more player names than usual that I don't recognise or seem to have never heard of before... Is that just me or are there really more unheralded players in qualifying this year?
by ponchi101
mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 9:27 am
Someone on Youtube reminded of Sinner's slightly snarky comment in Miami - "Let's see how you do on clay". When will they learn that trash-talking DM backfires )) It's like with black Americans - they are allowed to call themselves n**s, but not anybody else. Medvedev himself is allowed to denigrate his clay prowess, but not anybody else.
Was is that snarky? I think Sinner and Madvedev are in good terms. I took it as a bit of a joke, and Medvedev seems to not have been bothered by it.
she beat Sabalenka! and she is a grand slam champion.. how many of those are around?! WTA player of the year in 2020, not so very long ago. The USTA probably did not fight for her- they may regard her as a Russian- who knows?!
Sure. She beat Aryna and, right now, that looks like a bad loss for Sabalenka.
The problem is: if you give Kenin a WC into the main draw, you are taking it from somebody else. I agree that she is more worth it than some of the WC's (the list is somewhere here, and, for example, Jeanjean got one) but it is always a zero sum game.
And Kenin has not done much as of late, other than that win over Sabalenka.
She will probably get a WC for the USO.
by mick1303
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 12:19 am
This time I believe Novak's injury is real, because he is not talking about it. He is not saying much, so it must be really bothering him.
Medvedev's progress on clay has been excellent. Against Stefanos, you felt that he was right there all the time and just waited to pounce late in the set. Against Holger, it was very much the same.
And remember. Novak lost to Holger, AFTER having a day's rest. So, in RG, with also having one day in between, we may be seeing the same.
Not a single time in Melbourne ND was bringing up his injury. He was answering the questions. And somehow his injury was not real, even though it was clearly affecting his movement in early rounds. Once he felt better - he said as much. But it was "not real"... Such a disappointing comment...
by ponchi101 I will always have a hard time believing somebody with a 30mm muscle tear in his hamstring could beat 3 top 20 players without dropping a set. And I saw the matches. He was playing just fine.
And about him not bringing it up. Uhm. Goran explained that Novak was having therapy "70 times a day". Which yes, that is not him, but it was part of his team.
by ashkor87 Best to take players at their word, I feel- after all, we don't really know what they are going through .
by ashkor87 Strictly with ref to the French-
The most over-rated players ,,(meaning will not perform up to their ranking/seeding) are
Men :Ruud, Sinner, Medvedev
Under-rated: Rune will do better than his ranking
Women: Overrated (will not perform as ranked) Pegula, Garcia, Gauff, Bencic
Under-rated, ie will do better than ranking:
Ostapenko, Badosa, Alexandrova, Vekic, Zheng
by ponchi101 For Medvedev, if he does not make the final, he will perform below his ranking. That is too high a bar. It would be as if we say that Alcaraz' RG will be a failure if he does not win it. I say SF's would be still a very good tournament.
Ruud has been underperforming as of late. So, it would seem that repeating last year's result will be hard indeed.
Garcia has stated she is lost on court. Bencic will be coming from an injury, on her worst surface, and with almost no preparation.
Badosa at 29 means 4R. Makeable.
by ashkor87 So we are mostly in agreement..scary, eh,? What fo you think of Sinner's chances? I feel he needs a faster surface, he doesn't generate enough power on his own ..
by ponchi101 Sinner has yet to prove that he can do damage on clay. I know, we associate Italians with clay all the time, but that is no longer true. Sinner is a hard court player, and I would not count him to do much at RG.
We are close to agree. One of us is coming to his senses!
(I don't know who).
by ashkor87 He he
by JTContinental Jennifer Brady was set to make her return to the tour here, but withdrew with another foot injury
by ti-amieMen's Seeds
1 Carlos Alcaraz
2 Daniil Medvedev
3 Novak Djokovic
4 Casper Ruud
5 Stefanos Tsitsipas
6 Holger Rune
7 Andrey Rublev
8 Jannik Sinner
9 Taylor Fritz
10 Felix Auger-Aliassime
11 Karen Khachanov
12 Frances Tiafoe
13 Hubert Hurkacz
14 Cameron Norrie
15 Borna Coric
16 Tommy Paul
17 Lorenzo Musetti
18 Alex de Minaur
19 Roberto Bautista Agut
20 Dan Evans
21 Jan-Lennard Struff
22 Alexander Zverev
23 Francisco Cerundolo
24 Sebastian Korda
25 Botic van de Zandschulp
26 Denis Shapovalov
27 Yoshihito Nishioka
28 Grigor Dimitrov
29 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
30 Ben Shelton
31 Miomir Kecmanovic
32 Bernabe Zapata Miralles
by ti-amieWomen's Seeds
1. Iga Swiatek
2. Aryna Sabalenka
3. Jessica Pegula
4. Elena Rybakina
5. Caroline Garcia
6. Coco Gauff
7. Ons Jabeur
8. Maria Sakkari
9. Daria Kasatkina
10. Petra Kvitova
11. Veronika Kudermetova
12. Belinda Bencic
13. Barbora Krejcikova
14. Beatriz Haddad Maia
15. Liudmila Samsonova
16. Karolina Pliskova
17. Jelena Ostapenko
18. Victoria Azarenka
19. Zheng Qinwen
20. Madison Keys
21. Donna Vekic
22. Magda Linette
23. Ekaterina Alexandrova
24. Anastasia Potapova
25. Anhelina Kalinina
26. Martina Trevisan
27. Irina-Camelia Begu
28. Elise Mertens
29. Paula Badosa
30. Zhang Shuai
31. Sorana Cirstea
32. Marie Bouzkova
by ti-amie
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 6:42 pmMen's Seeds
1 Carlos Alcaraz
2 Daniil Medvedev
3 Novak Djokovic
4 Casper Ruud
5 Stefanos Tsitsipas
6 Holger Rune
7 Andrey Rublev
8 Jannik Sinner
9 Taylor Fritz
10 Felix Auger-Aliassime
11 Karen Khachanov
12 Frances Tiafoe
13 Hubert Hurkacz
14 Cameron Norrie
15 Borna Coric
16 Tommy Paul
17 Lorenzo Musetti
18 Alex de Minaur
19 Roberto Bautista Agut
20 Dan Evans
21 Jan-Lennard Struff
22 Alexander Zverev
23 Francisco Cerundolo
24 Sebastian Korda
25 Botic van de Zandschulp
26 Denis Shapovalov
27 Yoshihito Nishioka
28 Grigor Dimitrov
29 Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
30 Ben Shelton
31 Miomir Kecmanovic
32 Bernabe Zapata Miralles
Since y'all are wondering how the seeds will perform I found this for the men's seeds.
How last year’s seeds fared
The men’s draw last year was a strong endorsement of the world rankings, as six of the top eight seeds reached the quarter-finals.
The only ones who failed to make it that far were Daniil Medvedev, who lost to No 20 seed Marin Cilic in the fourth round, and previous finalist Stefanos Tsitsipas. The No 4 seed was downed by rising star Holger Rune, also in the fourth round.
In total, 10 of the 32 seeds failed to make it past the first two rounds.
ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 6:45 pmWomen's Seeds
1. Iga Swiatek
2. Aryna Sabalenka
3. Jessica Pegula
4. Elena Rybakina
5. Caroline Garcia
6. Coco Gauff
7. Ons Jabeur
8. Maria Sakkari
9. Daria Kasatkina
10. Petra Kvitova
11. Veronika Kudermetova
12. Belinda Bencic
13. Barbora Krejcikova
14. Beatriz Haddad Maia
15. Liudmila Samsonova
16. Karolina Pliskova
17. Jelena Ostapenko
18. Victoria Azarenka
19. Zheng Qinwen
20. Madison Keys
21. Donna Vekic
22. Magda Linette
23. Ekaterina Alexandrova
24. Anastasia Potapova
25. Anhelina Kalinina
26. Martina Trevisan
27. Irina-Camelia Begu
28. Elise Mertens
29. Paula Badosa
30. Zhang Shuai
31. Sorana Cirstea
32. Marie Bouzkova
How 2022 unfolded
Iga Swiatek had not lost a match since February and thus arrived at Roland Garros last year as a massive favourite. The top seed did not disappoint either, dropping just one set en route to what was her second grand slam. As has become a familiar sight in WTA slams since the pandemic, the rest of the draw fell apart: the highest-ranked player after Swiatek in the quarter-finals was No 11 seed Jessica Pegula.
In the final, Swiatek faced No 18 Coco Gauff, playing on such a stage for the first time, and frankly she blew her away. The young American will come again – few believe she won’t – but it was a baptism of fire in her first major final.
by ponchi101 I say Sinner and Ruud are the two high seeds with the least chance of making it far.
txs for that tidbit.
by ti-amie
Via Google translate
Cristian Garin will not play Roland Garros as a result of a broken rib
by ashkor87 No Badosa now.. stress fracture of spine (sounds horrible, hope not as bad as it sounds!)
by Suliso I think Stephens then takes the last seeded position.
by skatingfan Swiatek & Rybakina in the same half of the draw.
Alcazrez & Djokovic into the same half of the draw.
by skatingfan
Suliso wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 11:53 am
I think Stephens then takes the last seeded position.
Shelby Rogers took the last seeded position.
by ashkor87 well, draws are out:
some interesting first round matchups:
Sakkari vs Muchova (tough break for Sakkari, Muchova is playing well)
Sabalenka vs Kostyuk (extra motivation for the Ukrainian!0
FAA - Fognini
Shelton - Sonego
by ponchi101 I don't see Kostyuk getting extra motivation. I believe that playing Russians or Belarusians affects her negatively.
Sakkari-Muchova indeed is a tough break for Sakkari.
If FAA cannot beat Fognini in 1R, it will mean a lot negatively.
Carlitos - Novak for the semis. For those that say that draws are rigged.
by ashkor87 Sabalenka actually has a tough draw.. in early rounds - QZ early, who might well beat her..then Ostapenko..not an easy path to the semis..
Swiatek has a nice easy path until the quarters,Krejcikova, and semis, when she might run into Rybakina.. who has some tough early matches herself- Alexandrova or BHM and then Vekic
by ponchi101 Your hypothesis/bet that the number of players that reach their seedings will be low might be very true for the WTA.
Let's remember that Sabalenka has never made it past 3R. Rybakina has been to the QF's once. But, although I still say that Swiatek will reach the final, the other side is wide open. Mademoiselle Autre may be ready to make her move.
by ashkor87 Samsonova has a nice path all the way to the semis, if she can get past Pavlyuchenkova in the second round ..
Sinner has a very nice draw too .all the way to the quarters and beyond..
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by ponchi101 How will that work? Will it extend over the court?
That would be quite the design.
Is that like some sort of pox? I wonder if there is a vaccine for that?
by ti-amie
by ti-amie
Wow a big cake and gifts! I wonder if Carlitos is seething. /s
by ti-amie
by ti-amie
ames Rogers
@ElliottJMR
but show up in a catsuit and they tend to get very specific
by ponchi101 Devil's advocate.
What could the tournament do? In Novak's case. Default him? Obviously ridiculous. Fine him? Such a slippery slope. Ignore it? So hard.
by ti-amie
by Owendonovan
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:29 pm
Devil's advocate.
What could the tournament do? In Novak's case. Default him? Obviously ridiculous. Fine him? Such a slippery slope. Ignore it? So hard.
Put him on the outer courts. His ill-guided nationalism is ignorance based.
by JTContinental
"You know, drama-free Grand Slam, I don't think it can happen for me. You know, I guess that drives me, as well."
Actually, it could easily happen if you didn't manufacture drama every time.
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by ti-amie I'm going to say this in all sincerity so don't @ me.
Sabalenka is not a draw.
Stephens has done nothing to make fans want to rush out and see her play. Maybe in the US but not overseas.
Anyone who takes the job of TD these days has to be a masochist.
If you were the TD would you have scheduled Carlitos vs Musetti as the night match if it was agreeable to both players instead of this particular WTA match?
by ponchi101 And I will add to what you say: IT IS A BUSINESS, and it is entertainment business. Putting on a match that has the potential to be less than one hour, and ALL of Iga's matches except those vs Elena or Aryna can last less than an hour, is bad scheduling.
by ti-amie I bet night session tickets are expensive too. Let's see if all the WTA fans who were clamoring for a women's night session put their money where their mouths are and buy the tickets just put on resale.
Also who has the TV rights for the night session?
by ti-amie
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:55 pm
And I will add to what you say: IT IS A BUSINESS, and it is entertainment business. Putting on a match that has the potential to be less than one hour, and ALL of Iga's matches except those vs Elena or Aryna can last less than an hour, is bad scheduling.
Keep in mind these figures are total viewers of highlights on the YouTube Official RG channel. Like Ponchi says, tennis is a business.
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by ashkor87 Who will be the 'surprise semifinalist' on the women's side? We have to have one, it is the French Open!! I would say Jabeur but there is no 'surprise' in that .? Avanesyan fits the bill best!
by ponchi101 Avanesyan would completely fit the bill. But PAVS would do to, as well as Muchova, and one of them will reach the SF's.
The bottom half, unless Aryna comes out of there, will be a surprise. All the players there were not expected.
by meganfernandez j
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:00 am
Who will be the 'surprise semifinalist' on the women's side? We have to have one, it is the French Open!! I would say Jabeur but there is no 'surprise' in that .? Avanesyan fits the bill best!
Jabeur definitely wouldn't be a surprise. She's a top non-Iga favorite for the title. I'd considere Sloane a mild surprise, not an Avanesyan-level surprise.
by meganfernandez
ti-amie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 pm
I bet night session tickets are expensive too. Let's see if all the WTA fans who were clamoring for a women's night session put their money where their mouths are and buy the tickets just put on resale.
Also who has the TV rights for the night session?
Does anyone know if the big show courts, those individually ticketed, are nearly sold out before the tournament even begins? How many people wait for the day's order of play before buying a reserved ticket? They might buy one on the resell market, but I wonder how many tickets were available through the tournament before any given night session. In Cincy, center court is largely sold out before the tournament starts. Slams have bigger arenas, but I still bet it holds.
by ashkor87 Muchova looks so much like Chris Evert! My wife pointed it out, I laughed at her but now ...!
by meganfernandez Was this default discussed elsewhere? A doubles team was defaulted after hitting a ballgirl, Djokovic-style. The circumstances were different - it wasn't rocketed in anger - but it was hit unnecessarily hard in her direction. I'm sure it was purely unintended, but I stand behind a pretty strict application of this rule. It wasn't wildly bad luck, like framing a ball that hits someone. The player hit this too hard in the wrong direction, and got unlucky that it hit someone a little immature. (A grownup might have been able to shrug it off and not cry - I think that was a factor. I don't think that ballgirl should be out there if this upset her so much.)
(I watched it again- Kato clearly wasn't hitting the ball in anger or hostility. IT's just that she's strong enough to return the ball to the ballkid without it bouncing. A tiny, tiny error in judgment, but I maybe not worth a default. I think this rule should be applied as strictly as possible, but umpires have to retain some discretion in the interest of full fairness. Common sense has a place on the court.)
My problem with this call is that the umpire changed it from a warning to a default after the opponents complained. The umpire shouldn't bend to an opponent. I"m not even sure the opponents should have gotten involved - it didn't relate to their own play, like a bad line call. I wouldn't have wanted to win that way.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:00 am
Who will be the 'surprise semifinalist' on the women's side? We have to have one, it is the French Open!! I would say Jabeur but there is no 'surprise' in that .? Avanesyan fits the bill best!
Jabeur definitely wouldn't be a surprise. She's a top non-Iga favorite for the title. I'd considere Sloane a mild surprise, not an Avanesyan-level surprise.
This I don't agree with at all. In my opinion Sabalenka is far more likely to win than her. Even on clay.
by ponchi101 About the ball hitting a ball kid event.
I disagree with you (@megan). The rule says that if you hit a person, with a ball, you get disqualified. If you leave it to interpretation to the chair, you will get issues. Novak's ball was clearly hit in anger, but he wasn't even looking at the area where he hit it into. This ball was not hit in anger, but that is such a gray area.
A couple of days ago, one player hit the ball across the net, right after the game was over. He hit it with some force, just to make sure it would reach the back of the other side. Problem was that the ball kids were scurrying across the court, as they do after games are over, to get all the balls and the ball hit by this player came very close to hitting one of the ball kids. What would the chair have done then? It was not hit in anger, the player was actually helping the ball kids, but a situation could have arise.
If you make it discretionary, the chair at Novak's match could have said "Oh, he didn't mean it, he was just venting some frustration". The PCB could have complained.
Even Shapo could have said "I didn't mean it" (because he didn't).
Tell the players: drop the balls on your side. THAT IS WHAT THE BALL KIDS ARE THERE FOR. Avoid these situations.
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:00 am
Who will be the 'surprise semifinalist' on the women's side? We have to have one, it is the French Open!! I would say Jabeur but there is no 'surprise' in that .? Avanesyan fits the bill best!
Jabeur definitely wouldn't be a surprise. She's a top non-Iga favorite for the title. I'd considere Sloane a mild surprise, not an Avanesyan-level surprise.
This I don't agree with at all. In my opinion Sabalenka is far more likely to win than her. Even on clay.
Megan is saying Ons is A TOP non-Iga favorite, not THE TOP. Ons making the semis will surprise nobody.
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:43 pm
Muchova looks so much like Chris Evert! My wife pointed it out, I laughed at her but now ...!
And now that you mention it, yes indeed. I could not place her.
by ashkor87 My wife is always right...what can I say!
by Suliso
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:11 pm
Megan is saying Ons is A TOP non-Iga favorite, not THE TOP. Ons making the semis will surprise nobody.
Isn't she saying that Ons is the 2nd favorite after Iga? That's the part I don't agree with
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:11 pm
Megan is saying Ons is A TOP non-Iga favorite, not THE TOP. Ons making the semis will surprise nobody.
Isn't she saying that Ons is the 2nd favorite after Iga? That's the part I don't agree with
I'm not reading it that way. I agree: Ons is NOT the second favorite. But she is a top favorite.
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by ponchi101 I don't see Kasatkina setting foot on Russia until after Putin is dead.
And who knows what can happen with her passport. It is not as if Russia cannot void it.
by ashkor87 The head-to-head results are holding up remarkably well thus far ..Mertens -Pegula, Svitolina-kasatkina...in every case, I would have predicted the opposite, and would have been wrong. Pavly leads Muchova 2-1....
by ashkor87 anyone see the drama resulting in the Japanese doubles team getting defaulted for hitting a ballgirl? I cant see the video here in my country..
was it intentional? obviously not, nobody would be that crazy.. was is careless, in the sense the ballgirl was obviously in the way? was it similar to Djoko's default incident?
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ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:45 am
anyone see the drama resulting in the Japanese doubles team getting defaulted for hitting a ballgirl? I cant see the video here in my country..
was it intentional? obviously not, nobody would be that crazy.. was is careless, in the sense the ballgirl was obviously in the way? was it similar to Djoko's default incident?
Did not, to me, appear intentional nor careless.
She tried to get the ball to the ballkid - but her hands were full. The ball came in a bit hot, and with her hands full she didn't know what to do. She turned her body and got plunked
by ashkor87 No way that is a default! I hear the opponents pressed for the default...
by ponchi101 SST and Bouzkova reached the chair and told the umpire that the ball girl was crying. Then, the rest of the issue evolved. But, "pressing for the default" is also a bit extreme.
They could also be seen snickering after the affair. They knew what was happening, so you can have your serious doubts about them ever making the HOF of sportsmanship.
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by ashkor87 Muchova is being compared to Barty..a fair comparison I think..Barty surprised us all by winning the FO..could Muchova do it? After Swiatek's fragile performance in the semis, I would say Muchova does have a 30% chance...
by ashkor87 Both finals feature a great Tier 1 player against a very good Tier 2 player...tier 1 should win..about 70-30 in both cases...
by ponchi101 I give Muchova way more chance than I would give Ruud. I say Muchova can push Iga for several games. Ruud will go down meekly, with Novak playing at 3/4 of his capacity.
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Austin Krajicek and Ivan Dodig Men's Doubles Champions
Youngest since Seles to win consecutive titles at #RolandGarros
1st woman to defend the title since Henin
Joins Seles & Osaka as the only women in the OE to win their 1st 4 Slam finals
Youngest to 4 Slams titles since Serena.
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South Africa's Kgothatso Montjane and Japan's Yui Kamiji Women's Doubles Champions
by ashkor87 Perhaps we can all now agree..Swiatek is Great, not just good. She was accustomed to bageling even good players- when she had to fight and scrap, she did that too..
by ashkor87 Once more...the RG champion did not win Madrid or Rome. ...
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 2:19 am
Perhaps we can all now agree..Swiatek is Great, not just good. She was accustomed to bageling even good players- when she had to fight and scrap, she did that too..
She is on her way. I will admit that. But, for me, great requires more than 4 slams. She has proven to need some help on grass, and the Aussie remains elusive (which is hard to explain).
Let's give her more time.
She has now won her first 4 slam finals, joining Seles and Osaka. That should tilt in your favor.
by Suliso How many women have won more than 4 in the open era? Have trouble finding an exact number, but I think it's 12 or 13. Maria Sharapova and Martina Hingis won 5, Kim Clijsters, Arantxa Sanchez Vicario and Hana Mandlikova ended up with 4 each. Some other influential players (Mauresmo, Davenport, Austin, Barty) didn't get even that many.
by Suliso I think the real reason many of us are reluctant to call Swiatek a great player is not the Slam count, but the not yet proven staying power. It's only 1 1/2 years since she plays at this level,,.
by ponchi101 I am still not calling her a great player because I am reserving that for the players with 10+. Sharapova is not a great player to me, despite the fact that she even won a career slam. Osaka had so much promise, and we will have to wait a bit more.
I am trying to cure myself of the biases, and one of them is recency-bias. Sure, Iga won RG, and it is this simple: she had the best clay court season, almost by definition. And she has had a very good year, with three titles already and one of them a slam (every other player in the tour not called Sabalenka would trade for sure) but I want to wait a bit more.
Do I think she ends as a great player? Barring disasters, I say yes; she is well on her way to that 10+ slams (you and I agree that she will get 6-7 RG's alone).
But I also have to admit my bias against her. She is an excellent player, a great ambassador for the sport, seems like a very nice person, but... I just can't get over the strokes. I find them so ugly I can't root for her. Sort of the same thing that happens to me with Medvedev.
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Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 4:16 pm
How many women have won more than 4 in the open era? Have trouble finding an exact number, but I think it's 12 or 13. Maria Sharapova and Martina Hingis won 5, Kim Clijsters, Arantxa Sanchez Vicario and Hana Mandlikova ended up with 4 each. Some other influential players (Mauresmo, Davenport, Austin, Barty) didn't get even that many.
Graf, Seles, Evert, Navratilova, Henin, Venus and Serena, Sharapova, Hingis, Billie Jean King, Court & Goolagong. Can't think of any others.
by Jeff from TX Not huge Nole fan (not a hater either), but can't deny his athleticism, talent, and ability
by ponchi101 He has won as many slams AFTER AGE 30 as Borg and Laver did in their entire career.
I say the case is settled.
by ponchi101 The talk right now has to be about Novak, and rightly so.
But what about Ruud? In a very quiet way, he has now reached 3 slam finals and one YEC final. Three of those against two of the top three players of all time, the other against a very talented young player.
He has now lost all four, but, what can we expect from him? Is he going to be a Murray? Once Novak retires, this is going to be very open. Does Ruud ever get to win an RG? Maybe some other slam?
He is so unflashy that it is difficult to see him becoming a dominant player, but I just said it: three slam finals, at age 24. Will he be able to one day collect one?
by Woody Well, for a few years I could make the argument for Roger with a straight face but no longer. Novak is the GOAT.
If he doesn't get injured I'm confident that he will complete the calendar slam this year.
by jazzyg Ruud's topspin forehand is nasty. The level he showed against Rune, Zverev and Djokovic in the first set will get him Roland Garros in the future even without improvement, although he definitely could do without the bouts of depression he suffers during matches. I have underrated him severely in the past, and he seems to have a hard time maintaining his form throughout the year, but I will be surprised if he goes slam-less now. Would not have said that before this Roland Garros.
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ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:14 pm
He has won as many slams AFTER AGE 30 as Borg and Laver did in their entire career.
I say the case is settled.
I'm going on a Disagree with Ponchi Tour at the moment....
I agree that the case is settled re: GOAT Novak. However- your other point IMO is misplaced. Laver couldn't play Slams for many years, due to going pro. (And, Borg quit at his peak at 26. Which, of course, is on him.)
Also, btw- IF the tennis poo-bahs hadn't been so ignorant for decades with the very long Shamateur Era, when pros could not play Slams, there a number of players I could name who, odds are, would have ended up with far more singles Slam titles. Laver certainly would have gotten to 20+.
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ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 4:56 pm
I am still not calling her a great player because I am reserving that for the players with 10+. Sharapova is not a great player to me, despite the fact that she even won a career slam. Osaka had so much promise, and we will have to wait a bit more.
I am trying to cure myself of the biases, and one of them is recency-bias. Sure, Iga won RG, and it is this simple: she had the best clay court season, almost by definition. And she has had a very good year, with three titles already and one of them a slam (every other player in the tour not called Sabalenka would trade for sure) but I want to wait a bit more.
Do I think she ends as a great player? Barring disasters, I say yes; she is well on her way to that 10+ slams (you and I agree that she will get 6-7 RG's alone).
But I also have to admit my bias against her. She is an excellent player, a great ambassador for the sport, seems like a very nice person, but... I just can't get over the strokes. I find them so ugly I can't root for her. Sort of the same thing that happens to me with Medvedev.
....AND now....and the following may be considered to be ironic, as I am usually the person who posts about how low the standards are for players to make the tennis HOF....But, "10+" IMO is too high a standard. This would exclude Connors, Agassi, Lendl, Rosewall, Maureen Connolly, Seles, Goolagong and McEnroe (etc.) from being considered as tennis greats.
So, I'd propose that the total # of Slam titles is of course a factor. But, you have to remember that, for much of the 1970's through the mid 1980's, the French and Aussie Slams were just not factors. No or very few top players played these tournaments during these years. During these years, as examples, winning the Slims and the ATP Championships were much more considered to be "majors" at those times. I also previously posted about how not being able to play the Slams because they went pro impacted the careers of the likes of Rosewall. Thus- I'd factor in the total amount of tournaments won (i.e., Connors), the number of years and weeks a player was #1, and how many of the at-the-time "majors" players won.
by ponchi101 Touche. It would exclude those players.
But remember, the bar has been raised. When Connors retired, Emerson had the record (12, for men). Since then, that bar has been raised higher and higher.
So, ok. It may be arbitrary, but I still do not consider her great. She is the dominant player, especially on clay, but I will wait a bit more.
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ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:44 pm
Touche. It would exclude those players.
But remember, the bar has been raised. When Connors retired, Emerson had the record (12, for men). Since then, that bar has been raised higher and higher.
So, ok. It may be arbitrary, but I still do not consider her great. She is the dominant player, especially on clay, but I will wait a bit more.
OH, for sure about Iga.
It would certainly appear that the level of play has increased significantly these days. (While volleying expertise was FAR greater back in the day. Hell, Borg could give lessons on volleying to today's players.) Most definitely, the level of all players in all of the Slams these days has improved a great deal. However, I'd argue about any big increase in the levels of accomplishments- for reasons I've already posted about. The # of tournaments that Connors won. McEnroe won 7 ATP tour finals. The # of pro wins for the likes of Rosewall. Etc.
It would certainly appear that the level of play has increased significantly these days. (While volleying expertise was FAR greater back in the day. Hell, Borg could give lessons on volleying to today's players.) Most definitely, the level of all players in all of the Slams these days has improved a great deal. However, I'd argue about any big increase in the levels of accomplishments- for reasons I've already posted about. The # of tournaments that Connors won. McEnroe won 7 ATP tour finals. The # of pro wins for the likes of Rosewall. Etc.
With a 68 SqIn wood racquet, strung at 80 Lbs with catgut.
Yep, us oldies...
It would certainly appear that the level of play has increased significantly these days. (While volleying expertise was FAR greater back in the day. Hell, Borg could give lessons on volleying to today's players.) Most definitely, the level of all players in all of the Slams these days has improved a great deal. However, I'd argue about any big increase in the levels of accomplishments- for reasons I've already posted about. The # of tournaments that Connors won. McEnroe won 7 ATP tour finals. The # of pro wins for the likes of Rosewall. Etc.
With a 68 SqIn wood racquet, strung at 80 Lbs with catgut.
Yep, us oldies...
LOL, I most definitely played with my wood tiny-framed Jack Kramer racquet back in the day for many years. (I still have the damned thing stored away somewhere- although it finally did break decades ago).
by ashkor87 Korneeva may be the next big name? She is only 15...haven't seen her play ...what do folks here think, who have seen her?
by ponchi101 I say Korneeva. By now, Andreeva, all of 16, is washed up
A bit too early.
I will never call any junior the next big thing. My memory is good enough to remind me of Pereira and Kratzmann (three slam wins in their final year of juniors) and how we were sure, absolutely sure, that Cornet was going to rule the pros. The year Pereira won his three slams (1988) Guillame Roux was ranked #2, Goran was ranked #3 (in juniors). We know how many slams they got.
by ashkor87 'Airplane mode' is how somebody described Swiatek's focus, ability to tune out the noise .good term!
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:44 pm
Touche. It would exclude those players.
But remember, the bar has been raised. When Connors retired, Emerson had the record (12, for men). Since then, that bar has been raised higher and higher.
So, ok. It may be arbitrary, but I still do not consider her great. She is the dominant player, especially on clay, but I will wait a bit more.
OH, for sure about Iga.
It would certainly appear that the level of play has increased significantly these days. (While volleying expertise was FAR greater back in the day. Hell, Borg could give lessons on volleying to today's players.) Most definitely, the level of all players in all of the Slams these days has improved a great deal. However, I'd argue about any big increase in the levels of accomplishments- for reasons I've already posted about. The # of tournaments that Connors won. McEnroe won 7 ATP tour finals. The # of pro wins for the likes of Rosewall. Etc.
How did you came up with 7 YEC for Mac? According to my data he won it in 78, 83 and 84 (they all were held in January of next year). Did you count doubles?
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:44 pm
Touche. It would exclude those players.
But remember, the bar has been raised. When Connors retired, Emerson had the record (12, for men). Since then, that bar has been raised higher and higher.
So, ok. It may be arbitrary, but I still do not consider her great. She is the dominant player, especially on clay, but I will wait a bit more.
OH, for sure about Iga.
It would certainly appear that the level of play has increased significantly these days. (While volleying expertise was FAR greater back in the day. Hell, Borg could give lessons on volleying to today's players.) Most definitely, the level of all players in all of the Slams these days has improved a great deal. However, I'd argue about any big increase in the levels of accomplishments- for reasons I've already posted about. The # of tournaments that Connors won. McEnroe won 7 ATP tour finals. The # of pro wins for the likes of Rosewall. Etc.
How did you came up with 7 YEC for Mac? According to my data he won it in 78, 83 and 84 (they all were held in January of next year). Did you count doubles?
LOL, revising my revision here! My initial count of 7 YEC's must have been due to me not looking closely enough at the Wiki page. and copying the "7" from his doubles YEC's count.
HOWEVER: According to Wiki, McEnroe had 3 "Tour Final"/The Masters wins (1978, 1983, 1984), AND 5 WCT title wins- (1979, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1989). What makes this all especially headache-y is, if I am remembering this correctly- for some years, the ATP had, basically, two tournaments that were quasi "ATP Championships"-level tournaments- one that went by the name of WCT Finals, and one in Wiki calls the Tour Final (I believe Pepsi was a sponsor of this for awhile?) They were indeed held at different times for each year. From what I recall, these would have been considered as more important (or at least on the same level) than the Roland Garros- and especially the Aussie Open- would have been for at least some of the years that McEnroe won these tournaments. My best guess would be when he won these championships from the late 70's to at least the early '80's.
IN any case, I stick to that, with both tours, there were years when the Roland Garros and especially the Aussie Open were not considered to be at the level of Wimbledon and US Open title wins. (*Albeit, to be VERY clear, I'd never want to detract from all of Borg's Roland Garros wins, especially when Borg won Wimbledon and Roland Garros from 1978- 1980).
by ponchi101 That the Aussie had lean years there's no doubt about it. That it was the least appreciated of the Slams neither. But I would not go to the level of diminishing it. A Slam is a slam and the Aussie has too much history.
The WCT. The WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TOUR was that parallel tour that was directed by Lamar Hunt (of NFL KC Chief's fame) and that ran a series of tournaments, all parallel to what was a true amalgam of tournaments all over the place. It was the early years of the Pro tour, and the players played wherever and whenever. A lot of tournaments were unsanctioned. And the WCT had its finals, which were NOT the same as THE MASTERS, which was the one held in NTC MSG. That is the reason it was so confusing.
Sidenote. The WCT final in 1972 between Rosewall(w) and Laver is usually considered one of the greatest matches of all times. In those days it was not televised outside the USA. But it was one of the truly important matches that fueled the growth of tennis, at least in the USA.
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ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:48 pm
That the Aussie had lean years there's no doubt about it. That it was the least appreciated of the Slams neither. But I would not go to the level of diminishing it. A Slam is a slam and the Aussie has too much history.
The WCT. The WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TOUR was that parallel tour that was directed by Lamar Hunt (of NFL KC Chief's fame) and that ran a series of tournaments, all parallel to what was a true amalgam of tournaments all over the place. It was the early years of the Pro tour, and the players played wherever and whenever. A lot of tournaments were unsanctioned. And the WCT had its finals, which were NOT the same as THE MASTERS, which was the one held in NTC MSG. That is the reason it was so confusing.
Sidenote. The WCT final in 1972 between Rosewall(w) and Laver is usually considered one of the greatest matches of all times. In those days it was not televised outside the USA. But it was one of the truly important matches that fueled the growth of tennis, at least in the USA.
Again, to be clear, many tennis historians and journalists would agree that the Aussie and Roland Garros tournaments were not considered to be the true biggest tournaments some years. Johan Kriek- an excellent player, but NOT otherwise a true Slam contender- won the Aussie in 1981 and 1982- both against American Steve Denton (who did won a doubles Slam title). Kreik was the #1 seed in 1982 at the Aussie. 1980- Brian Teacher beat Kim Warwick. 1979- Vilas beat American John Sadri. (Vilas was the #1 seed, John Alexander was the #2 seed.) 1978- Vilas beat John Marks. 1977- Gerulaitis beat John Lloyd.
It truly is NOT the case that one can just say "a Slam is a Slam", when, for many years, they had nowhere near the field of Slams. (The Aussie prior to the Open era for man years was mostly Aussies only playing, for example).
by mick1303 Ok, this is true about Australian Open, but starting the beginning of the 80s the trend changes and it becomes on par with other Slams with regard to the best players present in the draws. So what is your point in the context of G.O.A.T. discussion? Those who benefited most from winning Oz Open were Emerson and Court and this was mostly preceding Open Era. Early AO winners like Gerulaitis, Tanner, etc were never a part of the discussion. IMO if we count those early AOs as legitimate Slams, it does not affect the outcome of determining who is the G.O.A.T. in the meaningful way.
by ashkor87 RG teaches us, yet again, not to take the warm-up tournaments to a grand slam too seriously . Madrid, Rome, did not foreshadow the French...even W, last year, Rybakina did not win any of the tournaments leading up..
We can speculate and talk about why they is so, but that it is so, is not to be denied ..this year also, I doubt Queens, Eastbourne etc will tell us much about Wimbledon! They are important in their own right, of course.
by ponchi101 My $0.02.
In the ATP, NOTHING is an indicator of Slam performance as long as Novak is in the mix. He can skip all previous tournaments and it will mean nothing to the outcome of his eventual victory.
In the WTA: I will take that as proof of the equality of talent in the tour. And when everybody is so close to each other, getting into a streak is difficult.
by ashkor87 Equally, nothing is an indicator with Swiatek in the mix..! Except grass of course
by nelslus
mick1303 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:07 pm
Ok, this is true about Australian Open, but starting the beginning of the 80s the trend changes and it becomes on par with other Slams with regard to the best players present in the draws. So what is your point in the context of G.O.A.T. discussion? Those who benefited most from winning Oz Open were Emerson and Court and this was mostly preceding Open Era. Early AO winners like Gerulaitis, Tanner, etc were never a part of the discussion. IMO if we count those early AOs as legitimate Slams, it does not affect the outcome of determining who is the G.O.A.T. in the meaningful way.
My bringing all of that up has NOTHING to do with the GOAT discussion. Again- Novak wins. I'd think almost all of would concede this. That debate's over, at least until one of Roger's, Rafa's, Serena's and/or Novak's kids wins 30 majors. We're discussing other tennis concerns here. IMO, a review of the recent discussion in this thread between ponchi and me makes this clear. NOT GOAT-related.
My review was due to ponchi posting that tennis greatness should involve 10-plus Slams, and that "A Slam is a slam and the Aussie has too much history." I've already given examples of when, for example, the Aussie clearly was not a big deal for the ATP tour, at least. Thus, for example, IMO, McEnroe is a great player- especially as, during some of his earlier playing years- Roland Garros and the Australian Open, at least in plenty of folks' views, weren't as big a deal as, say, winning an ATP Championship. McEnroe won plenty of the equivalent ATP Championships. So, in my view. viewing someone as being one of the highest level of greats, including total Slam title wins of course, should also involve how many big tournaments players were won- especially those that were considered at those times as being more of the "majors" of their player careers.
IN any case, I don't think even in this current era that 10 plus Slam titles should be required to be considered as being one of the greats. LOL, not that I can give any definitive magic formula for what should define a tennis great. But, say, someone gets to 8 (7?) Slam titles, they win many tournaments, and have some No. 1 years, etc.- that automatically makes them a tennis great for me.
Mind you- I am also MORE than fine, at least for now, with ending the GOAT and what-makes-a-great-tennis-player debates. I've certainly run this discussion into the ground.
by ponchi101 As Nelslus says, it is not longer about the GOAT. Case closed (for the men).
Where Nelslus and I disagree is about the "status" of some slams, and for that matter, tournaments. For example: Ashkor, further up the topic, talks about "the warm up tournaments", i.e., the tournaments prior to a Slam. I find that view to be a bit demeaning of a lot of great tournaments that cannot be seen as simply warm ups to any of the slams. The "Canadian Open" has a very rich history and it would be unfair to treat it just as a "warm up" for the USO. Monte Carlo cannot be seen as simply a warm up for RG, and neither should Rome.
So, Nelslus and I disagree on the status of the Aussie during the lean years. I wonder: do we disregard the Aussie during the 60's? Sure, we take away Emerson's 6, but then, do we take away Laver's?
I agree and accept that during the late 70's and 80's the field was super slim; heck, Vilas, who was really helpless at Wimbledon, won it twice. But he is still very proud of those wins (saw it in an interview down here).
About greatness: Ok, I yield. Yes, Connors, Lendl, Andre, Mac and Mats are greats. I guess that I have to admit that I am also affected by these 30 years of GREAT GREATNESS (I'm including Pete).
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ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:35 pm
As Nelslus says, it is not longer about the GOAT. Case closed (for the men).
Where Nelslus and I disagree is about the "status" of some slams, and for that matter, tournaments. For example: Ashkor, further up the topic, talks about "the warm up tournaments", i.e., the tournaments prior to a Slam. I find that view to be a bit demeaning of a lot of great tournaments that cannot be seen as simply warm ups to any of the slams. The "Canadian Open" has a very rich history and it would be unfair to treat it just as a "warm up" for the USO. Monte Carlo cannot be seen as simply a warm up for RG, and neither should Rome.
So, Nelslus and I disagree on the status of the Aussie during the lean years. I wonder: do we disregard the Aussie during the 60's? Sure, we take away Emerson's 6, but then, do we take away Laver's?
I agree and accept that during the late 70's and 80's the field was super slim; heck, Vilas, who was really helpless at Wimbledon, won it twice. But he is still very proud of those wins (saw it in an interview down here).
About greatness: Ok, I yield. Yes, Connors, Lendl, Andre, Mac and Mats are greats. I guess that I have to admit that I am also affected by these 30 years of GREAT GREATNESS (I'm including Pete).
WELL. At least you can FINALLY be correct about SOME things then....
Indeed, the 10+ Slam greatness standard is just too high for the non-freak monster champions. We'll have to see. But, it IS hard to think we'll ever again have an era like Novak/Rafa/Roger.
by ti-amie The era of 20+ slam winners on either tour is done. I think we were lucky to live through and experience it. If any of the current crop win more than/come close to 10 Slams I'll be shocked. Our standards have to be lowered.
WELL. At least you can FINALLY be correct about SOME things then....
Indeed, the 10+ Slam greatness standard is just too high for the non-freak monster champions. We'll have to see. But, it IS hard to think we'll ever again have an era like Novak/Rafa/Roger.
Oh, you and I are old enough to realize we saw ALL the Golden Eras. The Borg/Jimbo/Mac era. Then, we had the almost immediate overlap of the Mac/Lendl/Stefan/Boris, followed by Pete/Andre, and then these three monsters.
I gather I can't say there won't by anything like this ever again. But the chances that I will be here to see it are slim indeed. This won't happen again.
