Talk About Tennis 2.0

JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:32 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:13 pm Pliskova held on a bit longer than I expected,

Indeed. And was definitely gifted many additional weeks because of the pandemic and the adjusted rankings. We discussed before, but Pliskova was one of the biggest beneficiaries of those rankings rules.

For sure, along with Barty and Kiki Bertens

Yes, though in regular times for Bertens, she could've just used the traditional protected ranking for an injury. One of the more stunning things about Pliskova's drop during this time is how many tournaments she played and still couldn't regain ground, she didn't miss a thing starting with Cincy.

JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:46 pm Yes, though in regular times for Bertens, she could've just used the traditional protected ranking for an injury. One of the more stunning things about Pliskova's drop during this time is how many tournaments she played and still couldn't regain ground, she didn't miss a thing starting with Cincy.

Right, but I can't remember when she last beat a really good player. Perhaps that one win over Gauff earlier this year counts.

Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:13 pm Pliskova held on a bit longer than I expected,

JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:29 pm Svitolina also holding on longer than I thought she would

Svitolina's chances for a huge career passed 2-3 years ago in my opinion. That was when she looked to be on the brink of winning at least one Slam.

What is wrong with Pliskova though? It's as if she's not exactly lost interest but even with her limited movement and all she still used to fight. I don't see that anymore.

Maybe Giorgi, post pandemic, is more interested in tennis now? She's always had the potential.

I'm not writing off Svitolina. Not yet, check back with me in 2 years. She's someone who I never thought would win a GS and then end of 2018 and in 2019 I saw how much her game had improved, how she'd improved her serve and was more offensive. 2019 sounds so long ago, but I think of it as the last season we really had of tennis. Svitolina played great at Indian Wells and then made the semis at Wimbledon and the US Open. While I'm not high on her chances on winning a GS, I feel like I regularly pick her opponent to win late in bigger tournaments, I'm not completely bailing on her chances either. I feel like they are about where they were before.

JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:40 pm

JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:32 pm

Suliso wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:13 pm Pliskova held on a bit longer than I expected,

Indeed. And was definitely gifted many additional weeks because of the pandemic and the adjusted rankings. We discussed before, but Pliskova was one of the biggest beneficiaries of those rankings rules.

For sure, along with Barty and Kiki Bertens

Although Barty did benefit, if there was no pandemic, she would have been playing more and likely still maintained a spot in the top 10 or even top 5.

atlpam wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:37 pm

JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:40 pm

JazzNU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:32 pm

Indeed. And was definitely gifted many additional weeks because of the pandemic and the adjusted rankings. We discussed before, but Pliskova was one of the biggest beneficiaries of those rankings rules.

For sure, along with Barty and Kiki Bertens

Although Barty did benefit, if there was no pandemic, she would have been playing more and likely still maintained a spot in the top 10 or even top 5.

Agreed--I don't expect her ranking to slide into oblivion--she's a great player, just not the best one. It's beyond ridiculous that a player holding 2 grand slam titles would be number 2 behind a player holding none. She basically got a free year of padded stats (meanwhile Venus has a grand total of 11 weeks at #1, but I'm not at all bitter about it ).

WTA top 20 with Wimbledon points substracted.

1. Barty 7645
2. Osaka 7336
3. Sabalenka 6195 +1
4. Kenin 5580 +2
5. Andreescu 5331 +2
6. Svitolina 5065 -1
7. Swiatek 4465 +2
8. Halep 4395 -5
9. Bencic 4085 +2
10. Muguruza 4045 +2
11. Kvitova 3985 -1
12. Brady 3830 +3
13. Azarenka 3785 +1
14. Pliskova 3685 -1
15. Krejcikova 3663 +2
16. Serena 3641 -8
17. Mertens 3455 -1
18. Sakkari 3360
19. Pavlyuchenkova 3300
20. Rybakina 3028

Halep might lose her currently longest streak in the top 10, but most likely will hold on. Barty is safe unless she loses early and Sabalenka takes the title.

Yeah I think Halep stays in the top 10

Sabalenka needs to win and Barty loses before the semi . I don’t see both happening


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Seriously when will these rankings be made right?

Yes. Time to simply say: last 52 weeks. There have been enough tournaments already.

Long since time, but in this particular case the fall is coming very soon indeed.

ti-amie wrote:

Seriously when will these rankings be made right?

In this case 10 weeks which is not long


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We have lots of players in the top 10 who are wildly overranked - Andreescu, Svitolina, Kenin, Bencic. I'm giving a pass to Halep due to injury, but Sabalenka joins this group if she fails to reach at least SF's at Wimbledon.