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by ti-amie Court PHILIPPE-CHATRIER

Women’s Wheelchair Doubles
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JPN Y.Kamiji (1)/RSA K.Montjane (1) vs FRA P.Deroulede/FRA E.Morch
Men’s Singles
UPCOMING
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ESP C.Alcaraz (1) vs SRB N.Djokovic (3)
Men’s Singles
UPCOMING
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NOR C.Ruud (4) vs GER A.Zverev (22)

Court SUZANNE-LENGLEN

Women’s Legends
FRA N.Dechy/FRA T.Golovin vs USA L.Davenport/SVK D.Hantuchova
Men’s Legends
UPCOMING
ESP S.Bruguera/SWE M.Wilander vs FRA M.Bahrami/FRA A.Clement
Mixed Legends
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ITA F.Pennetta/USA M.Chang vs ITA F.Schiavone/FRA H.Leconte

Court SIMONNE-MATHIEU

Women’s Doubles
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CAN L.Fernandez (10)/USA T.Townsend (10) USA vs C.Gauff (2) USA/J.Pegula (2)
Women’s Doubles
UPCOMING
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USA N.Melichar-Martinez (6)/AUS E.Perez (6) vs TPE SW.Hsieh/CHN X.Wang

Court 14

Girls’ Singles
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--- A.Korneeva (3) vs --- A.Oktiabreva
Boys’ Singles
UPCOMING
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USA D.Blanch vs CRO D.Prizmic (3)
Girls’ Doubles
UPCOMING
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--- A.Korneeva (1)/JPN S.Saito (1) vs SVK R.Jamrichova (3)/ITA F.Urgesi (3)
Boys’ Doubles
UPCOMING
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AUS C.Camus/CZE J.Hrazdil vs ITA L.Sciahbasi/ITA G.Vulpitta

Court 7

Women’s Wheelchair Doubles
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NED D.De Groot/ARG MF.Moreno vs JPN M.Tanaka (2)/CHN Z.Zhu (2)
Men’s Wheelchair Doubles
UPCOMING
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FRA S.Houdet/JPN T.Sanada vs ESP M.De La Puente (2)/ARG G.Fernandez (2)
Men’s Wheelchair Doubles
UPCOMING
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GBR A.Hewett (1)/GBR G.Reid (1) vs BEL J.Gerard/JPN T.Oda

Court 6

Boys’ Singles
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BOL JC.Prado Angelo (8) vs USA L.Tien
Girls’ Singles
UPCOMING
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PER L.Perez Alarcon (6) vs --- A.Gureva
Boys’ Doubles
UPCOMING
SEMIFINALS
--- Y.Demin (1)/MEX R.Pacheco Mendez (1) vs GER D.Fix/GER M.Majdandzic
Girls’ Doubles
UPCOMING
SEMIFINALS
JPN S.Ishii (4)/JPN E.Koike (4) vs USA TC.Grant (6)/USA C.Ngounoue (6)

Court 13

Quad Wheelchair Doubles
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JPN K.Sugeno/USA D.Wagner vs AUS H.Davidson (2)/CAN R.Shaw (2)
Quad Wheelchair Doubles
UPCOMING
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NED S.Schroder (1)/NED N.Vink (1) vs GBR A.Lapthorne/RSA D.Ramphadi
by ponchi101 First break goes to Novak, and Carlitos is spraying some balls.
To watch or not to watch.
by jazzyg Whether or not he comes back to win this match, Alcaraz needs to improve his return of serve. When he faced Djokovic in Madrid last year, the only reason the match was close was the number of serves he could not get back into play, and it really hurt him in the first set today.

Djokovic has a good serve, but Alcaraz seems to have more problems with it than most top players.
by Suliso So far the new generation doesn't impress so much. Yet again...
by ponchi101 Alcaraz serves for the set. Can't.
Three set points for him on Djokovic's serve. Can't.
But this guy is playing the GOAT. We have to remember that.
by ponchi101 Carlos has cramped, and this may be pretty much over.
by Suliso
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:02 pm Alcaraz serves for the set. Can't.
Three set points for him on Djokovic's serve. Can't.
But this guy is playing the GOAT. We have to remember that.
GOAT indeed, but at the very end of his career. A loss here on his favorite surface will be a huge setback for Alcaraz. No hiding from it...
by ponchi101 Remember what I said a few years ago. Whenever these guys would lose (Rofer/Rafa/Nole) it would be age, not any new player. They were/are that special.
Has Carlitos stated clay is his favorite surface? He obviously likes it, but his slam was at the USO and he plays very well there. Serious question, I really don't know.
by Suliso Carlitos was supposed to be GOAT level, not merely another Tsitsipas. I measure him by that standard.
by ponchi101 How about Medvedev level? One slam, several MS1000's, still of course an entire career ahead of him.
BTW. Rune also seems to have stamina issues; sometimes he looks gassed. Is it they are too young? That should be counterintuitive, because you should have all the energy in the world. They play similar styles, and this would be the second time in one year that Alcaraz can't finish a match playing well because of physical problems (he broke down in Rio).
by Suliso Must be fitness issues. Obviously Alcaraz might come back from this stronger and win 10+ Slams. However, I believe it would be dishonest for him or his fans to say it's no big deal.

Is clay Alcaraz's favorite surface? By results yes, by his opinion I don't know.
by mick1303
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:18 pm Must be fitness issues. Obviously Alcaraz might come back from this stronger and win 10+ Slams. However, I believe it would be dishonest for him or his fans to say it's no big deal.

Is clay Alcaraz's favorite surface? By results yes, by his opinion I don't know.
I do not agree that this is a major setback for Alcaraz. He'll have a plethora of chances. He has a clear direction where to improve - the return. At his age Federer and Djokovic did not have neither results nor a complete game like this. Carlito will be all right
by jazzyg You can just look at Alcaraz' game and know he is better than Medvedev, Tsitsipas or any player from the last 20 years not named Djokovic, Federer or Nadal.

But the cramping issue is a concern for the short term and maybe longer if he cannot figure out the problem. I seriously doubt it will be a long term thing, but you never know.

Djokovic looked to be the better player even before the cramping, but that means little. Jabeur was the better player than Haddad Maia until she wasn't.
by Suliso Roger beat Pete at his favorite tournament at age 19...
by ponchi101
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:38 pm Roger beat Pete at his favorite tournament at age 19...
I did not want to bring up the accomplishments of the past champions because it makes me look like the "old man yells at clouds" and I know Skatingfan is waiting to put that GIF up once more ;)
But...
As you say, Roger beat Pete.
Pete beat Lendl at the USO at 19.
Wilander took out Vilas in 1982 at 17, Chang took out Lendl, while cramping, in 5 sets. Borg was already a machine at 17, and I can't remember him ever cramping in any match.
The number of players that at 19 were already in top shape is not trivial. I remember the story of Gullikson sending Sampras to train with Lendl for a week, and, upon returning, calling Lendl to ask him what he had done to Pete (Pete was destroyed after one week of training with Lendl). Lendl, reportedly, told him: "He has all the strokes, but he needs to get in proper shape".
Of course, Pete did.
by ashkor87 I would certainly have wished Alcaraz had stopped rather than play severely compromised..Leylah lost 6 months due to her foolish bravado...
by mick1303
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:38 pm Roger beat Pete at his favorite tournament at age 19...
It would've been much bigger deal if Roger then won the tournament. But he didn't.

These victories become memorable 10-fold if they result in winning the trophy. Likewise, if Djokovic loses the final, his victory over Alcaraz will be a mere footnote. But if he wins, this victory in today's match will hardly have any analogy. Just imagine if Rosewall won one of those finals against Connors.
by nelslus COME on now. The kid is 20. This is not a death knell at 20 years of age. Roger beat Pete at Wimbledon- and then lost to Henman. Look- I am disgusted with this result (Novak had looked like c r a p on clay- playing possum or whatever, who knows), and that this "new generation" has never been able to truly figure out Novak/Rafa/Roger, especially at Slams. But, again- this guys is 20 freakin' years old, and has had a terrific career already. Comparing him to Tsitsipas and that this is going to be some kind of huge setback, etc. is just way too over the top. Alcaraz will need to get in better condition, and improve his return AND his serve. He'll have to learn that he isn't Rafa- and shouldn't play a million clay tournaments before Roland Garros. HOW many times must I repeat that Novak lost plenty of big Slam matches early in his career due to a lack of conditioning and needing to improve his game. He's done OK since that period of his life. By now, we all have proven that we really have ZERO idea of what is going to happen with these players. In any case-seriously, y'all need to stop judging and burying the careers of very young players.
by nelslus
mick1303 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:26 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:38 pm Roger beat Pete at his favorite tournament at age 19...
It would've been much bigger deal if Roger then won the tournament. But he didn't.
Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!! See my most recent post- which I clearly was in the middle of typing out before your post.
by Owendonovan I recall Roger saying he moved on from these kinds of loses rather quickly, day or 2. Time for all the players out of RG to get their head in the grass game.
by mick1303 To continue on that: in 2000 Sampras lost to 20 yo upstart Safin in the US Open final. Safin looked incredible that year - 7 titles. BTW, no Russian player before or since managed to win as many titles in one year. Next year Pete avenged that loss in the semis of the same tournament. It would've been 10-times bigger deal had he managed to beat Hewitt in the finals.
by ponchi101
nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:28 pm COME on now. The kid is 20. This is not a death knell at 20 years of age. Roger beat Pete at Wimbledon- and then lost to Henman. Look- I am disgusted with this result (Novak had looked like c r a p on clay- playing possum or whatever, who knows), and that this "new generation" has never been able to truly figure out Novak/Rafa/Roger, especially at Slams. But, again- this guys is 20 freakin' years old, and has had a terrific career already. Comparing him to Tsitsipas and that this is going to be some kind of huge setback, etc. is just way too over the top. Alcaraz will need to get in better condition, and improve his return AND his serve. He'll have to learn that he isn't Rafa- and shouldn't play a million clay tournaments before Roland Garros. HOW many times must I repeat that Novak lost plenty of big Slam matches early in his career due to a lack of conditioning and needing to improve his game. He's done OK since that period of his life. By now, we all have proven that we really have ZERO idea of what is going to happen with these players. In any case-seriously, y'all need to stop judging and burying the careers of very young players.
It's not judging. The site is called TALK ABOUT TENNIS. What are we supposed to do, not discuss a loss by a very promising young player to the GOAT? We cannot bring statistics and anecdotes into the conversation?
And if somebody wants to bury a player's career after a loss, go for it. Time will tell if such a person is right or wrong. If somebody wants to claim that Carlitos will soon join Andy Roddick as a one slam wonder, let them say so. We will see.
But let's talk about tennis.
by ponchi101 Zverev/Novak could be a bit competitive. But Ruud's game fits into Novak's game completely.
And it really looks like Ruud is taking this one.
by nelslus BTW- when Novak wins the Grand Slam this year, eventually becomes President of Serbia, and pushes That Button- I shall blame all of you Macbeth Witches. I beseech you all. Repent immediately from your vile negativity, you beasts, REPENT!!!! :gorgeous:

....ON a more positive note- I am very, very happy with the women's doubles results from today. COME ON TAYLOR AND LEYLAH- WIN YOUR FIRST SLAM TITLE!! (OF course, I have nothing but love for Hseih. If she wins with Wang- all good. But, I do especially want Taylor to win some doubles Slams- my Rajeev Mojo is sent her way.)
by nelslus
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:48 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:28 pm COME on now. The kid is 20. This is not a death knell at 20 years of age. Roger beat Pete at Wimbledon- and then lost to Henman. Look- I am disgusted with this result (Novak had looked like c r a p on clay- playing possum or whatever, who knows), and that this "new generation" has never been able to truly figure out Novak/Rafa/Roger, especially at Slams. But, again- this guys is 20 freakin' years old, and has had a terrific career already. Comparing him to Tsitsipas and that this is going to be some kind of huge setback, etc. is just way too over the top. Alcaraz will need to get in better condition, and improve his return AND his serve. He'll have to learn that he isn't Rafa- and shouldn't play a million clay tournaments before Roland Garros. HOW many times must I repeat that Novak lost plenty of big Slam matches early in his career due to a lack of conditioning and needing to improve his game. He's done OK since that period of his life. By now, we all have proven that we really have ZERO idea of what is going to happen with these players. In any case-seriously, y'all need to stop judging and burying the careers of very young players.
It's not judging. The site is called TALK ABOUT TENNIS. What are we supposed to do, not discuss a loss by a very promising young player to the GOAT? We cannot bring statistics and anecdotes into the conversation?
And if somebody wants to bury a player's career after a loss, go for it. Time will tell if such a person is right or wrong. If somebody wants to claim that Carlitos will soon join Andy Roddick as a one slam wonder, let them say so. We will see.
But let's talk about tennis.
Look- let's Disagree About Tennis then.

IMO, some of y'all are coming off as judgmental and definitive about very young players- and I'm going to continue to call y'all out on this. In addition, I've learned to be very, very careful about proclamations about tennis predictions. And, some of you all (this specific comment is NOT in this case directed at you, ponchi)- are wrong rather frequently.

PS: Barring Novak getting injured or sick- I don't think it would matter who he now plays in the final. VERY slightly, I'd give more of an "advantage" to Ruud, all of a sudden. (No WAY I thought Rudd was gonna make the final- not that it's happened quite yet....) IMO, it feels to me like you've been thinking Zverev would have had a better chance based on a level of play that he used to have, but does not currently have. In any case, it should be a similar score-line of last year's Rafa/Ruud match. UGGGGGHHHHH. (LET me be wrong here, please!!)
by ponchi101 Totally agree. Our level of being correct in our predictions is somewhere between putrid and "not so bad". Which is the fun part.
And about Novak winning slam finals: heck, I am tempted to update the GOAT table in the GOAT Topic, just to see if there is some jinxing power left in me. Because I just can't see him losing to Casper Ruud. To Zverev, if Zverev were to play at his 100% and Novak were to get injured... he might push him to 5.
Ruud's collection of SLAM RU trophies is very impressive.
by ponchi101 How do you explain that score?
by Suliso One could of course avoid being wrong by not predicting results at all or being "captain obvious", but what's the fun in that?
by nelslus
Suliso wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:29 pm One could of course avoid being wrong by not predicting results at all or being "captain obvious", but what's the fun in that?
For me, it's just when folks are so definitive about their opinions. Trust me- I sure as hell have no great history with my tennis picks, either. PS; Captain Obvious often fails these days with tennis.
by nelslus
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:14 pm Totally agree. Our level of being correct in our predictions is somewhere between putrid and "not so bad". Which is the fun part.
And about Novak winning slam finals: heck, I am tempted to update the GOAT table in the GOAT Topic, just to see if there is some jinxing power left in me. Because I just can't see him losing to Casper Ruud. To Zverev, if Zverev were to play at his 100% and Novak were to get injured... he might push him to 5.
Ruud's collection of SLAM RU trophies is very impressive.
*I'll tell y'all what....if y'all truly want to condemn The Youngsters- consider that these players have assisted with finding a way for Ruud to get to 3 Slam finals- most egregiously at the Us Open....AND, ya know- the same Youngsters allowed Zverev to make this Roland Garros SF....

*I'll tell y'all what....if y'all want to talk about a huge result setback....Zverev. THIS match was far more indicative of his 2023 level. And, two miserable Roland Garros SF results. NOT gonna feel good.

*The, admittedly, the very, VERY!!!! faint hope of a Novak upset....I mean, Novak has had squirrely recent big match results. The Medvedev US Open final. The Olympics- bizarre melt-down matches against Zverev and Carreño Busta (for the bronze medal). I mean, COME on. He's due for an end-stage Vinci Beats Serena result moment- right?!?! (Albeit, LOL, I just looked up and found out that 2019 Creaky Roger beat Ruud at Roland Garros in straight sets. And Ruud has never won a set against Novak. So.....)
by nelslus
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:19 pm How do you explain that score?
THIS is indicative of the 2023 Zverev Level. These other Roland Garros matches were mirages.

Some PTSD from last year's SF. NOT joking in this case. I figured that a Roland Garros SF was gonna bring back some horrendous memories.

Sometimes, Bad Guy Karma is gonna get you. :twisted:
by mick1303
nelslus wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:52 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:19 pm How do you explain that score?
THIS is indicative of the 2023 Zverev Level. These other Roland Garros matches were mirages.

Some PTSD from last year's SF. NOT joking in this case. I figured that a Roland Garros SF was gonna bring back some horrendous memories.

Sometimes, Bad Guy Karma is gonna get you. :twisted:
Given that tennis players play almost every week and in a majority of cases it ends with a loss, surely all chances are on Karma's side )