Talk About Tennis 2.0

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:17 pm

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

First, an Iva Majoli analogy is never bad. Which is also why I used the

Next- you are also mistaken. Iva, otherwise, made TWO Slam QF's- at Wimbledon and the Australian Open. And a SF at the WTA Championships. She also won 8 total WTA tournaments, and got to a best world ranking of #4. Very arguably- I was (albeit, unintentionally) doing Vondrousova a favor by using my Majoli analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Majoli

IN any case, without first having checked on Iva's results- I still say she'll have her one "lucky" Slam title win, as did Majoli- which was my intended response to Suliso's post. (AND, btw, Majoli beat Hingis in her Slam final.) IF Vondrousova wins more- I am very cool with that. She is a very fun player to watch.

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:49 pm I count 21 slams on her Wikipedia page

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:39 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:17 pm

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

First, an Iva Majoli analogy is never bad. Which is also why I used the

Next- you are also mistaken. Iva, otherwise, made TWO Slam QF's- at Wimbledon and the Australian Open. And a SF at the WTA Championships. She also won 8 total WTA tournaments, and got to a best world ranking of #4. Very arguably- I was (albeit, unintentionally) doing Vondrousova a favor by using my Majoli analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Majoli

IN any case, without first having checked on Iva's results- I still say she'll have her one "lucky" Slam title win, as did Majoli- which was my intended response to Suliso's post. (AND, btw, Majoli beat Hingis in her Slam final.) IF Vondrousova wins more- I am very cool with that. She is a very fun player to watch.

My bad, I was looking at winners column, without thinking that if she won R16, she should've played QF. But general point stands, even if it is QF, she never reached another semis or finals. Vondrousova did - it was her 2nd final. And she only participated in 13 slams (this Wimbledon is her 14th main draw at a slam.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:32 pm

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm

nelslus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Wild guess.....0. (See: Majoli, Iva.)

This analogy is bad. Majoli's next best result in any slam was R16. For Vondrousova it was 2nd final and on a different surface. She is not a fluke.

I say she has as much chance as Rybakina and Sabalenka to win two more. But the field is so even that if she never does, that is also likely.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:51 am Novotna, Conchita, Stich, Cash, Goran, Bartoli (you mentioned her).
I agree with your idea, but the list is not empty (one time Wimby champs that never won another slam anywhere else). Marketa and Elena are both 24, so they can be grouped. And the stats are very similar: one slam, one other slam final.
To me is the same: the evenness in the WTA is so extreme that winning ANY major is so hard. I know you don't agree with my idea that OTHER is always there but, we are still pending one slam and we already have two new slam winners. We may be looking at Mugu's by the end of the decade: two slams, two more RU's.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:51 am Novotna, Conchita, Stich, Cash, Goran, Bartoli (you mentioned her).
I agree with your idea, but the list is not empty (one time Wimby champs that never won another slam anywhere else). Marketa and Elena are both 24, so they can be grouped. And the stats are very similar: one slam, one other slam final.
To me is the same: the evenness in the WTA is so extreme that winning ANY major is so hard. I know you don't agree with my idea that OTHER is always there but, we are still pending one slam and we already have two new slam winners. We may be looking at Mugu's by the end of the decade: two slams, two more RU's.