by dave g Here are the picks. If your picks are red, then one of your picks has lost and you are out of the contest.
Note: I am shortening Mpetshi Perricard's name to Perricard. Some people had written just "Perricard", and it is easier to make names match by deleting parts then by adding parts.
161stAndChilla Marozsan Popyrin Rublev Navone Norrie Rune Griekspoor
3mlm Medjedovic Carabelli
adicecream Perricard Davidovich Fokina Moutet TSITSIPAS
aidsasis Fucsovics Lehecka Bublik TSITSIPAS
airickdago1 Nakashima
ajay.gov Perricard Davidovich-Fokina Monfils TSITSIPAS
ajstew Perricard 31 Khachanov 24 Monfils SHELTON RUBLEV MUSETTI NORRIE
aleape Borges Davidovich Fokina Dimitrov
alias47 Machac
ashkor87 Perricard Fils Rublev Rune Norrie shelton Bublik
atlpam Van De Zandschulp
bankerb4 Marozsan Davidovich Fokina Moutet RUNE MENSIK
bernadette27 Marozsan Ofner Rublev Ruud
bestjax Tiafoe Davidovich Fokina Monfils Rune Mensik
blomgren Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Moutet Mpetshi Perricard
bluereggie Van De Zandschulp
BouchardBoiledEggs Fucsovics Khachanov medvedev
CanuckRaonic Machac
Casperpod Borges Cerundolo
catman Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Bublik KHACHANOV Fonseca Rune Griekspoor
Cdavid99 Comesana
Chad1 Marozsan Davidovich Fokina Rublev Tsitsipas
Charlie02123 Fucsovics No Pick
Chiara Halys Humbert Moutet No Pick
Chilld Medjedovic Griekspoor De Jong Altmaier Rublev Shelton Bublik
contactpoint32 Borges Gaston Moutet KECMANOVIC
CyborgShoes Fucsovics Khachanov Monfils Tsitsipas
by dave g dave g Michelsen
deelighted2 Fucsovics Lehecka Bublik NAVONE MENSIK
Dowser55 Van De Zandschulp
DU Pioneers Tiafoe Humbert Monfils Tsitsipas
ducklynt Marozsan Davidovich Fokina Bublik Mpetshi Perricard
Elchie Borges Davidovich Fokina Cobolli MPETSHI PERRICARD
Equipped van de Zandschulp
Eskimo53 Perricard 31 Lehecka No Pick
esquared88 Borges Davidovich Fokina Dimitrov
Fastbackss Brooksby Shapovalov Monfils Shelton Rublev Musetti Bublik
federer70 Shelton Davidovich Fokina Rublev Tsitsipas
Federex Fucsovics No Pick
flowerchild39 Borges Khachanov Rublev Rune Griekspoor Shelton Bublik
G2gaynor Van de zandschulp
Gacritter Marozsan Lehecka Moutet SHELTON SHAPOVALOV
gerity Borges Gaston Cobolli No Pick
gernblandston Van De Zandschulp
GlennHarman Tiafoe Humbert Medvedev
Grancordero Borges Davidovich Fokina Cobolli Tsitsipas
GreenGourd Fucsovics Khachanov Bublik Navone Rublev Medjedovic No Pick
gunner Fucsovics Lehecka Monfils TSITSIPAS
hoangers Marozsan Humbert No Pick
hummingbird Marozsan Fils Rublev TSITSIPAS
Irena2 Borges Khachanov No Pick
IronMike Fucsovics Popyrin Bublik SHELTON NORRIE RUNE GRIEKSPOOR
janebowles Medjedovic Davidovich Fokina De Jong Tsitsipas
by dave g JanetB Machac
Jason11E Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina 26 Dimitrov 16
jatagen Marozsan Davidovich Fokina Cobolli Tsitsipas
jazzyg Borges Ofner Bublik Tsitsipas
Jeff from TX Borges Davidovich Fokina Bublik POPYRIN Mensik
Jennede Gigante Ofner Moutet Musetti GRIEKSPOOR MEDJEDOVIC No Pick
jkfinaz Kopriva Khachanov Mensik Korda Rublev MEDJEDOVIC No Pick
joanjettson Machac
JTContinental Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Djokovic Rune Fonseca Medjedovic No Pick
karlovicfanclub Borges Davidovich Fokina Rublev Tsitsipas
keirules Comesana
Khethux Opelka Struff
Kooyong Fucsovics Gaston Moutet Tsitsipas
ktothem1 Fucsovics Lehecka Bublik TSITSIPAS
lauriejo Van De Zandschulp
lbk77 Fucsovics Khachanov Rublev TSITSIPAS
led14pa2 Paul Fils Rublev Tsitsipas
Liamvalid Fucsovics Popyrin Moutet Mpetshi Perricard
Lokomotiv lemnos Paul Tabilo Cobolli Shelton Rublev Popyrin Griekspoor
lukeorion Borges Davidovich Fokina Cobolli MPETSHI PERRICARD
by dave g Marsny Brooksby Davidovich Fokina Monfils MPETSHI PERRICARD
mcbride10s Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Cobolli RUNE RUBLEV SHELTON GRIEKSPOOR
meganfernandez Machac
Merdon Paul Khachanov Monfils TSITSIPAS
Michelle_fenlon Borges Ofner No Pick
Mikeprice444 Brooksby Atmane
mmmm8 Paul Khachanov Rublev MPETSHI PERRICARD
motobass Fucsovics Humbert Bublik Korda No Pick
mrdarnley Machac
mu_royals Fucsovics Lehecka Bublik Tsitsipas
munchin Nakashima
NatLee Machac
Naughtyboiosu Nakashima
nelslus Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Bublik Tsitsipas
New England Nitemare Fuscovics Davidovich Fokina Rublev Shelton Norrie Rune Griekspoor
noedee Borges Davidovich Fokina Mensik Mpetschi Perricard
nyjaney Perricard Baez
oliver0001 Fucsovics Ofner Monfils MPETSHI PERRICARD
Omegadoom Fucsovics Khachanov Rublev Shelton Norrie Rune Griekspoor
Oploskoffie Borges Khachanov Monfils Korda Fils Rune GRIEKSPOOR
patmanmo Borges Davidovich-Fokina Bublik Tsitsipas
patrick Borges Davidovich Fokina Dimitrov
paulfmcintyre Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Rublev Khachanov Norrie Shelton Griekspoor
Pharmanimal Fucsovics Shapovalov Auger-Aliassime
phatsdawg Fucsovics Khachanov 24 Monfils KORDA MENSIK
Pjstew Tiafoe Kecmanovic Mensik TSITSIPAS
ponchi101 Tiafoe Humbert Rublev MPETSHI PERRICARD
ptmcmahon Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Moutet Korda Rublev Shelton GRIEKSPOOR
pudding Borges Ofner Bublik ALTMAIER Mensik
by dave g Rashmi Borges Humbert Bublik MPETSHI PERRICARD
RedWard Perricard 31 Khachanov 24 No Pick
riley371 Fucsovics Tsitsipas Dimitrov
rktct2b Tiafoe Gaston Monfils Navone Rublev Shelton Griekspoor
seamzten18 Marozsan Cerundolo F.
sh79 Fucsovics Davidovich Fokina Bublik Navone Rublev Shelton Griekspoor
shmrck14 Fucsovics Lehecka Monfils TSITSIPAS
skim5150 Borges Davidovich Fokina Bublik Korda Fonseca Popyrin GRIEKSPOOR
slamdog Perricard Davidovich-Fokina Moutet Shelton Rublev Rune No Pick
Sluggo-13 Monteiro
SMC_mom Fucsovics Khachanov rublev TSITSIPAS
sokol Perricard Davidovich Fokina Dimitrov
spencerlee Medjedovic Bu
Sportsfan Marozsan Davidovich Fokina Moutet Tsitsipas
Suliso Tiafoe Humbert Bublik TSITSIPAS
sw195ae Fucsovics Humbert De Jong Tsitsipas
tcard Borges Davidovich Fokina Monfils Korda Rublev Shelton Bublik
tenedab Fucsovics Lehecka Bublik Shelton No Pick
Tennis Baller Borges Khachanov Bublik MPETSHI PERRICARD
tennisbrp Borges Giron
TennisLover1607 Paul Davidovich Fokina Dimitrov
texasniteowl Brooksby Davidovich Fokina Moutet Shelton Rublev POPYRIN GRIEKSPOOR
Togtdyalttai Borges Khachanov Rublev Tsitsipas
Tolulops Nakashima
TwineTime Paul 12 Davidovich Fokina Monfils TSITSIPAS
ubermitch Fucsovics Ofner Bublik Tsitsipas
by dave g Valynn Van De Zandschulp
Verbalvolleys Gigante Lehecka Kovacevic
Vexchaps Borges Davidovich Fokina Bonzi
wbeauchesne Opelka Davidovich Fokina Rublev KHACHANOV FONSECA SHELTON GRIEKSPOOR
Webswinger88 Borges Cerundolo F.
weefunk Borges Davidovic Fokina Cobolli MPETSHI PERRICARD
Wolfie0890 Dzumhur Tabilo De Jong MPETSHI PERRICARD
wolfy333 Nakashima
zephyrstorm03 Borges No Pick
by dave g Day 1 Pick Summary:
Start 137
Fucsovics 35
Borges 29
Marozsan 11
Perricard 9
Van de Zandschulp 8
Machac 7
Tiafoe 7
Paul 6
Nakashima 5
Brooksby 4
Comesana 2
Gigante 2
Opelka 2
Dzumhur 1
Halys 1
Kopriva 1
Medjedevic 4
Michelsen 1
Montiero 1
Shelton 1
Start 137
Survivors 113
Dead 24
Unknown 0
Commentary :
Since Fucsovics and Medjedevic won before I wrote this, they were obviously good picks.
Other probably good picks: Borges, Marozsan, Perricard, Nakashima, Machac, and Shelton
Might be too early: Paul
Probably a tough match: Van de Zandschulp, Tiafoe, Brooksby, Comesana, Opelka, and Michelsen
Don't know enough: Gigante, Dzumhur, Kopriva, and Montiero
Not looking good: Halys (You have picked against a seeded player. I hope you know what you are doing.) (Turns out to have been an amazing pick.)
We have picks on both sides of the following matches
T.Machac (21) vs Q.Halys
V.Kopriva vs T.Monteiro
by dave g Day 2 Pick Summary
Start 113
No Picks 3
Left 110
Davidovich Fokina 41
Khachanov 17
Lehecka 10
Humbert 9
Ofner 7
Gaston 4
Popyrin 3
Fils 3
Cerundolo F. 3
Shapovalov 2
Atmame 1
Baez 1
Bu 1
Carabelli 1
Giron 1
Griekspoor 1
Kecmanovic 1
Struff 1
Tabilo 2
Tsitsipas 1
Survivors 101
Dead 9
Unknown 0
Commentary
Only nine dead out of 110, that is very good result! Good going!
At a glance, my first thought was that these were good picks, but I noticed a few things:
1) We have picks on both sides of
M.Kecmanovic vs S.Baez
S.Ofner vs JL.Struff
Giron vs Griekspoor
2) I don't know Atmame enough to know if he is a safe pick against Gasquet.
Probably good picks: Davidovich Fokina, Khachanov, Lehecka, Humbert, Popyrin, Cerundolo F., Gaston,Tsitsipas, and Tabilo
Picks that might have tougher matches: Shapovalov, Bu, Carabelli, Fils, and Griekspoor
by ptmcmahon Our biggest bandwagon of the day is now down a break in the fifth set... after winning the first two sets 6-3, 6-2.
Oops, I can't count to four!
by
New England Nitemare ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 2:51 pm
Our biggest bandwagon of the day is now down a break in the fifth set... after winning the first two sets 6-3, 6-2.
The bandwagon had a hiccup in set 3, but won in 4 sets. Thank goodness. i was on that wagon!!!
by ptmcmahon Oops, yeah that was only 4th set. Whew.
by Wolfie0890 First time I’ve only totaled one other common person
in my first two picks (Dzumhur/Tabilo). Luck? Probably. It’s early.
by ashkor87 Fils kept me on tenterhooks throughout the evening yesterday.. I should really learn not to pick people I dont know much about.. But he is quite good, I must say - just not the budding champion some people make him out to be.
by
dave g Day 3 Pick Summary
Start 101
No Pick 5
Left 96
Bublik 21
Rublev 18
Monfils 16
Moutet 13
Cobolli 8
Dimitrov 7 
De Jong 4
Mensik 3
Djokovic 1
Medvedev 2
Auger Aliassime 1
Bonzi 1
Kovacevic 1
Survivors 84
Dead 12
Unknown 0
Today is a busy day for me. So, no commentary and very little updating, and Day 4 picks will go up earlier than normal.
by ashkor87 In the interests of fairness, I have changed my day 4 pick
by
dave g Day 4 Pick Summary
Start 84
No Pick 2
Remaining 82
Tsitsipas 31
Meptshi Perricard 14
Korda 7
Rune 6
Shelton 10
Navone 5
Khachanov 3
Altmaier 2
Kecmanovic 1
Musetti 1
Popyrin 1
Ruud 1
Surviviors 35
Dead 47
Unknown 0
by pudding I’m a little confused. How can you pick Shelton after he already “won”? Does this mean we could all have picked him last night AFTER he got the walkover?
by pudding I’m a little confused. How can you pick Shelton after he already “won”? Does this mean we could all have picked him last night AFTER he got the walkover?
by
dave g pudding wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 1:36 pm
I’m a little confused. How can you pick Shelton after he already “won”? Does this mean we could all have picked him last night AFTER he got the walkover?
This is mostly because I had forgotten a rule that is invoked so seldom that I forgot that it existed. From now on, your pick will need to actually start the match to be valid.
by IronMike What happens if the Walkover comes after lock?
by
dave g IronMike wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 4:56 pm
What happens if the Walkover comes after lock?
Hmmm, good question. Technically, if the walkover is not announced until after play has started somewhere, i.e. after lock, then the pick should be valid. My main concern will be if I am going to be able to determine when the walkover decision is made well enough to know that the decision was made after play has starrted somewhere, as opposed to when the walkover decision is announced. We want to reward the ability to predict match winners, as opposed to rewarding the ability to hear about walkover decisions before the rest of the public.
I will welcome comments and suggestion on this issue.
by
ptmcmahon If the walkover is announced after play starts I don't see how you could penalize someone. But like you say then you have to figure out when it was announced and it becomes a mess
Plus, think of late rounds where to beat draw you may "have" to pick that player.
by mmmm8 It's pretty simple in my view, if a match ends in a w/o after start of play, then the player that advances in the draw "won" and the player that withdrew is out of the tournament. This is also how we've treated it historically in the SP.
by ponchi101 I say.
Anything after play starts is not controlled by our members. So, picks should stand. Picking a W/O before play starts should not be allowed, if multiple options are available.
by texasniteowl The problem is timing. This is global. So we deal with times and time zones. Let's say the schedule is made. Let's say a w/o is announced 2 hours before the beginning of play. That is the middle of the night somewhere. So if someone picked the person who benefits from the w/o before the w/o was announced are we saying their pick is invalid? Even if that meant they were sleeping because the w/o was announced at 2a.m.?
I'm not sure there is a totally good answer...
by
mmmm8 texasniteowl wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 8:27 pm
The problem is timing. This is global. So we deal with times and time zones. Let's say the schedule is made. Let's say a w/o is announced 2 hours before the beginning of play. That is the middle of the night somewhere. So if someone picked the person who benefits from the w/o before the w/o was announced are we saying their pick is invalid? Even if that meant they were sleeping because the w/o was announced at 2a.m.?
I'm not sure there is a totally good answer...
Yes, there's not a fully fair solution. But, IMHO, the least unfair solution is that if a match is no longer on the schedule of play at start of play, that match is ineligible. While this can penalize people who were sleeping/working/etc. vs those who saw the last-minute withdrawal announcement and picked from another match, the opposite would be even less fair (letting someone advance without a valid match pick for the day.
And, yes, I am still angry for Gasquet withdrawing from the 2007 US Open with a cough minutes before start of play.
by janebowles Also, I think this walkover was a bit unusual in that it came so far in advance.
Thanks as always for organizing. I crashed out with Tsitsipas. Good luck...
by
dave g ptmcmahon wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 6:33 pm
If the walkover is announced after play starts I don't see how you could penalize someone. But like you say then you have to figure out when it was announced and it becomes a mess
Plus, think of late rounds where to beat draw you may "have" to pick that player.
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 7:01 pm
It's pretty simple in my view, if a match ends in a w/o after start of play, then the player that advances in the draw "won" and the player that withdrew is out of the tournament. This is also how we've treated it historically in the SP.
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 7:26 pm
I say.
Anything after play starts is not controlled by our members. So, picks should stand. Picking a W/O before play starts should not be allowed, if multiple options are available.
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 8:27 pm
The problem is timing. This is global. So we deal with times and time zones. Let's say the schedule is made. Let's say a w/o is announced 2 hours before the beginning of play. That is the middle of the night somewhere. So if someone picked the person who benefits from the w/o before the w/o was announced are we saying their pick is invalid? Even if that meant they were sleeping because the w/o was announced at 2a.m.?
I'm not sure there is a totally good answer...
mmmm8 wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 8:37 pm
texasniteowl wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 8:27 pm
The problem is timing. This is global. So we deal with times and time zones. Let's say the schedule is made. Let's say a w/o is announced 2 hours before the beginning of play. That is the middle of the night somewhere. So if someone picked the person who benefits from the w/o before the w/o was announced are we saying their pick is invalid? Even if that meant they were sleeping because the w/o was announced at 2a.m.?
I'm not sure there is a totally good answer...
Yes, there's not a fully fair solution. But, IMHO, the least unfair solution is that if a match is no longer on the schedule of play at start of play, that match is ineligible. While this can penalize people who were sleeping/working/etc. vs those who saw the last-minute withdrawal announcement and picked from another match, the opposite would be even less fair (letting someone advance without a valid match pick for the day.
And, yes, I am still angry for Gasquet withdrawing from the 2007 US Open with a cough minutes before start of play.
I agree with everything that has been said. The proper cut-off time is the start of play. If a withdraw happens after the start of play, then the winning player is a valid pick. If the withdraw happens before the start of play, then the winning player is not a valid pick. I also agree with texasniteowl that this is not an ideal rule, and that some people's ability to make valid picks might be impaired because the time zone they live in. However, I also agree with mmmm8, in that this is the least unfair solution to the problem. I also know that mmmm8 has been around for a long time and probably has the best rememberance of how the rule has been applied in this situation, historically.
Thanks everyone, for your input.
by ashkor87 Seems the only fair solution
by ashkor87 Perricard is a strictly second-rate player, after his serve, there is nothing - all his shots look shaky.. I was cursing myself for picking him on day 1 but there were few good options so I survived.. but too many people backed him in the scond round! The decline of Tsitsipas is sad, to say the least.. he is a fun player to watch.. oh well.
by texasniteowl dave g...hope you don't mind...I had a few minutes...
UNOFFICIAL Day 5 Summary
Norrie: 7
Rublev: 12
Mensik: 6
Griekspoor: 2
Fonseca: 4
Fils: 1
Shapovalov: 1
by dave g Day 5 Official Pick Summary
Start 35
No Pick 2
Remaining 33
Rublev 13
Mensik 6
Norrie 6
Fonseca 4
Griekspoor 2
Fils 1
Shapovalov 1
Survivors 26
Dead 7
Unknown 0
by
ptmcmahon dave g wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:42 pm
I agree with everything that has been said. The proper cut-off time is the start of play. If a withdraw happens after the start of play, then the winning player is a valid pick. If the withdraw happens before the start of play, then the winning player is not a valid pick. I also agree with texasniteowl that this is not an ideal rule, and that some people's ability to make valid picks might be impaired because the time zone they live in. However, I also agree with mmmm8, in that this is the least unfair solution to the problem. I also know that mmmm8 has been around for a long time and probably has the best rememberance of how the rule has been applied in this situation, historically.
Thanks everyone, for your input.
For better or worse, all TAT contests will have slight advantages to people in right time zones, or able to be online right at deadline. Especially Biggest Loser when there is a qualifying match going on right before main draw
And we had a good example of how it can become sticky just last year at FO when Djokovic withdrew before quarterfinal making that match unpickable. Was just bad luck for anyone who needed it to beat draw, although it wound up just making a big 8-way tie anyway.
I even said "Ruud won't be playing so you won't be able to pick him tomorrow. If Djokovic had withdrawn after the thread was posted you probably could have made the pick before he withdrew."
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu May 29, 2025 4:26 am
Perricard is a strictly second-rate player, after his serve, there is nothing - all his shots look shaky.. I was cursing myself for picking him on day 1 but there were few good options so I survived.. but too many people backed him in the scond round! The decline of Tsitsipas is sad, to say the least.. he is a fun player to watch.. oh well.
I love how quickly you dismiss players after a single loss.
Perricard has reached #29 in the world, at age 20. Yes, the serve is a bazooka, but the FH is also very big. And, at this age, he has already won 2 titles.
I don't want to speak for the others that died yesterday with this pick, but I picked him because, while Perricard is "only" a serve, what is Dzumhur? No weapons, a lot of defense, but this is a player that is coming back, at age 30, from an infection (I think) so severe that he could have died. Plus, the winner got to play Alcaraz in the next round.
If Perrricard gets to move into the top 10 in a couple of years, ala Draper, I will not be surprised. He has weapons. The consistency is what is missing, as we sadly learned yesterday.
by ashkor87 It is not the loss, it is his game, as seen by my own eyes!
have you actually seen the match? If you have, I am sure you would agree with me... he has no game, he is just a serve-bot.
by ponchi101 I have seen him play. The serve is huge. The FH is also a big and the BH, to me, is lovely, because it is a good looking one hander.
His consistency makes Laconte look rock solid. He is a very good example of the French school: gorgeous strokes, a madman juggling two chainsaws at the same time.
The age in which serve-bots could reach a high ranking just because of their serve is over. You need something else to reach #29.
by ashkor87 I completely disagree. But that is fine.
by jazzyg I'm with ashkor on this one.
I've noted multiple times how few points Perricord wins on his opponent's serve. Sometimes it is less than one point put game for an entire match. HIs return of serve is particularly wretched, and while he does have a big forehand, his footwork is extremely poor and his attention to detail is subpar.
His serve is good enough to win matches by itself, but he will have to improve significantly in every other aspect to be a real factor.
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dave g Day 6 Pick Summary
Start 26
No Pick 0
Remaining 26
Shelton 10
Rune 7
Medjedovic 4
Popyrin 3
Musetti 2
Survivors 22
Dead 4
Unknown 0
by dave g Day 7 Pick Summary
Start 26
No Pick 5
Remaining 21
Griekspoor 15
Bublic 5
Norrie 1
Survivors 21
Dead 0
Unknown 0
Everybody made it through. Congratulations!!
Tomorrow, the survivors will move to an "Updated" thread.
by ptmcmahon Yikes that was close for the bandwagon.
by Fastbackss 20 percent nearly no picks. Yikes