by ti-amie THE CHAMPIONSHIPS, WIMBLEDON 2025
INTENDED ORDER OF PLAY FOR DAY 14 SUNDAY 13 JULY
CENTRE COURT - 1:00PM
1. Ladies' Doubles - Final
Su-Wei Hsieh (TPE) / Jelena Ostapenko (LAT) [4] v Veronika Kudermetova / Elise Mertens (BEL) [8]
Starts at 16:00
2. Gentlemen's Singles - Final
Jannik Sinner (ITA) [1] v Carlos Alcaraz (ESP) [2]
NO.1 COURT - 11:00AM
1. Gentlemen's Wheelchair Singles - Final
Tokito Oda (JPN) [1] v Alfie Hewett (GBR) [2]
2. Boys' Singles - Final
Ivan Ivanov (BUL) [6] v Ronit Karki (USA)
3. Ladies' Invitation Doubles - Final
Dominika Cibulkova (SVK) / Barbora Strycova (CZE) v Cara Black (ZIM) / Martina Hingis (SUI)
NO.3 COURT - 11:00AM
1. Quad Wheelchair Singles - Final
Niels Vink (NED) [1] v Sam Schroder (NED) [2]
2. Ladies' Wheelchair Doubles - Final
Angelica Bernal (COL) / Ksenia Chasteau (FRA) v Xiaohui Li (CHN) / Ziying Wang (CHN) [2]
COURT 18 - 11:00AM
1. Gentlemen's Invitation Doubles - Final
Bob Bryan (USA) / Mike Bryan (USA) v Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) / Mark Philippoussis (AUS)
2. Mixed Invitation Doubles - Final
Thomas Johansson (SWE) / Katie O'Brien (GBR) v Sebastien Grosjean (FRA) / Iva Majoli (CRO)
by mick1303 This upcoming final match has a feeling of the Heavyweight Championship rematch. And you probably know that in majority of cases the winner of the first fight wins again - more convincingly. So this is the most probable result, IMO. Of course I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong on this occasion...
by ashkor87 Watching the doubles..there is so much for us club players to learn from them!
by ashkor87 Kudermetova has a lovely smile...rarely seen though!
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ponchi101 mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:40 am
This upcoming final match has a feeling of the Heavyweight Championship rematch. And you probably know that in majority of cases the winner of the first fight wins again - more convincingly. So this is the most probable result, IMO. Of course I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong on this occasion...
I think we need a Sinner's victory. We don't want this rivalry to become one sided.
Before the Aussie open final, you said that you wanted Zverev to win or otherwise he could become a broken player. I think that became true. And I am not saying that if Sinner loses he will suffer to that extent (he has slams already) but it may become a psychological hindrance in future matches against Carlos.
by dryrunguy That 4-3 game from Sinner here in the first set was a real headscratcher. And it came out of nowhere. Bizarre.
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dryrunguy Sweet little baby Jesus... (summary of set point
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by ashkor87 Second set..these early breaks are bad for you ..more pressure and your opponent also has more motivation...hard to hold on to
by ashkor87 Alcaraz defence is amazing ...probably key on a fast court..
by ponchi101 With the exception of Becker, all Wimbledon champs are nimble on their feet. Alcaraz defense is like that: he can get to the ball, stop smoothly, which avoids him falling, and return to the center of the angle of the opponent.
Quick, small steps.
by ashkor87 Alcaraz serving better than Sinner, too, i didn't expect it...
by ashkor87 High quality match even if not dramatic
by ponchi101 Indeed. It feels a bit flat.
by Owendonovan I wish there wan an alternate set of commentators you could listen to. I'd much rather hear a coaches mentality commentating. Not the McEnroe's drivel. (I suppose I could proficiently learn another language)
by Suliso That was a monumental win by Sinner for his 4th GS title. Indeed we really needed that.
Also I wonder what's the probability Sinner will end this year just a point away from a calendar year GS? I'd say as high as 75%.
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dryrunguy First, I hate ponchi.
Second, Sinner shouldacoulda won this in straights. He drew blood first in each set. I'm still not sure what happened at the business end of the first set. Sinner should have sailed after consolidating his break. Anyway, congratulations to him. Very well deserved.
by ponchi101 I would not go that far up. I say that the way these two are playing, a re-match at the USO seems very likely. And their matches are never 75-25.
But a very good chance he has.
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ponchi101 dryrunguy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:28 pm
First, I hate ponchi. Second, Sinner shouldacoulda won this in straights. He drew blood first in each set. I'm still not sure what happened at the business end of the first set. Sinner should have sailed after consolidating his break. Anyway, congratulations to him. Very well deserved.
Quite a common feeling, especially outside of my family circle. But, what did I do this time?
by Suliso I think there is higher chance of Alcaraz losing earlier. If they do meet then of course not 75-25.
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dryrunguy ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 3:37 pm
I think we need a Sinner's victory. We don't want this rivalry to become one sided.
This little gem, ya dingbat.
by nelslus I cannot tell you all how much I have HATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this Wimbledon. LOL, every single player and team I have been rooting on lost. My absolutely favorite tournament. UGGHHHHH.
And, it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth for reasons already elaborated on. Plus, the Dimitrov thing. And, as I am already being a fan poor sport as is, LOL.....So, congrats to the fans of Sinner and Iga.
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nelslus Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:26 pm
That was a monumental win by Sinner for his 4th GS title. Indeed we really needed that.
Also I wonder what's the probability Sinner will end this year just a point away from a calendar year GS? I'd say as high as 75%.
.....Well, WE did not need that.
Carlos ain't gonna be in the final of the US Open. He has given me no real sign of winning another Open, at this point in time. I mean, LOL, HEY, BEN, go beat Sinner in the final.
by mick1303 Not often it happens that in both men and women finals the players I root for are winning. But this was one of those rare occasions.
by mick1303 Now Sinner has 3 legs of career GS. The same as Alcaraz. And Carlos will have his chance to improve on this before Sinner. But he'll have to do it in Australia - on Sinner's best surface. The same way now Sinner will have to fight for the missing piece in Paris - on the best surface of Carlos. Who will be the first to break through?
by Suliso I'd guess Alcaraz albeit not next year.
by mick1303 Now they will take turns trying. Which will make their upcoming matches even more interesting.
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ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:38 pm
I cannot tell you all how much I have HATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this Wimbledon. LOL, every single player and team I have been rooting on lost. My absolutely favorite tournament. UGGHHHHH.
And, it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth for reasons already elaborated on.
Plus, the Dimitrov thing. And, as I am already being a fan poor sport as is, LOL.....So, congrats to the fans of Sinner and Iga.
Ah, a great addition to the sport's "What if?" legends.
Because Grigor was playing outstanding tennis. But we will never know, won't we?
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ponchi101 nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:43 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:26 pm
That was a monumental win by Sinner for his 4th GS title. Indeed we really needed that.
Also I wonder what's the probability Sinner will end this year just a point away from a calendar year GS? I'd say as high as 75%.
.....Well, WE did not need that.
Carlos ain't gonna be in the final of the US Open.
He has given me no real sign of winning another Open, at this point in time. I mean, LOL, HEY, BEN, go beat Sinner in the final.
Other than having it won already once, and being clearly better than anybody other than Sinner?
What kind of sign are your expecting? Stars aligning with his name over Arthur Ashe stadium?
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nelslus ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:02 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:43 pm
Suliso wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:26 pm
That was a monumental win by Sinner for his 4th GS title. Indeed we really needed that.
Also I wonder what's the probability Sinner will end this year just a point away from a calendar year GS? I'd say as high as 75%.
.....Well, WE did not need that.
Carlos ain't gonna be in the final of the US Open.
He has given me no real sign of winning another Open, at this point in time. I mean, LOL, HEY, BEN, go beat Sinner in the final.
Other than having it won already once, and being clearly better than anybody other than Sinner?
What kind of sign are your expecting? Stars aligning with his name over Arthur Ashe stadium?
I mean, LOL, of course, please put up the sign for Carlos in Ashe for us Carlos fans. The stars aligning are optional.
Since winning the US Open, Carlos IMO had a really weak loss to Medvedv in the SF, and a beyond weak loss to van de Slump in the 2nd R loss last year. It could be argued that the Open win was a bit of an Everyone Was Knocked Out and Carlos Was Able to Get the New Kid Fluke Win. The play of Carlos after Wimbledon IMO has not at all been impressive these past few years. Also, at the Aussie, he has yet to get past the QF round, losing this year in the QF to a Not At All Top Notch Novak, who then had to quit before finishing his SF. At these Slams, IMO, clearly, he has not proven to be better than the other players.
At least arguably, Sinner this year beat Carlos and was one point away three times of beating Carlos at his, by far, best Slams. Certainly, I am hoping that his Wimbledon loss can light a fire under Carlos' ass at the US Open....the way that Sinner very quickly got his revenge....and at least compete better, if he can actually make it to the final. But, until Carlos can improve his serve at all tournaments, and find the right levels of energy and resolve after Wimbledon....
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mick1303 nelslus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:26 am
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:02 pm
nelslus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:43 pm
.....Well, WE did not need that.
Carlos ain't gonna be in the final of the US Open.
He has given me no real sign of winning another Open, at this point in time. I mean, LOL, HEY, BEN, go beat Sinner in the final.
Other than having it won already once, and being clearly better than anybody other than Sinner?
What kind of sign are your expecting? Stars aligning with his name over Arthur Ashe stadium?
I mean, LOL, of course, please put up the sign for Carlos in Ashe for us Carlos fans. The stars aligning are optional.
Since winning the US Open, Carlos IMO had a really weak loss to Medvedv in the SF, and a beyond weak loss to van de Slump in the 2nd R loss last year. It could be argued that the Open win was a bit of an Everyone Was Knocked Out and Carlos Was Able to Get the New Kid Fluke Win. The play of Carlos after Wimbledon IMO has not at all been impressive these past few years. Also, at the Aussie, he has yet to get past the QF round, losing this year in the QF to a Not At All Top Notch Novak, who then had to quit before finishing his SF. At these Slams, IMO, clearly, he has not proven to be better than the other players.
At least arguably, Sinner this year beat Carlos and was one point away three times of beating Carlos at his, by far, best Slams. Certainly, I am hoping that his Wimbledon loss can light a fire under Carlos' ass at the US Open....the way that Sinner very quickly got his revenge....and at least compete better, if he can actually make it to the final. But, until Carlos can improve his serve at all tournaments, and find the right levels of energy and resolve after Wimbledon....
1) Alcaraz is clearly above the field, except one player - Sinner
2) They are too close in level and each match will be decided by a form on the particular day.
3) Alcaraz already proved that he can win HC slam
So this pessimism of yours is reactionary. He'll be fine.
by Suliso Actually if someone else does win a Slam in the next two years I'm betting it happening on hard courts.
by ponchi101 You asked that question in another topic. And we are still not even close to an answer: Who will be the next slam winner.
Fritz? Nope, he is running with a 5 speed gearbox and Carlos and Sinner have 6.
Shelton? Maybe, if he serves at 90% for five sets. Not gonna happen.
The other Americans are actually regressing.
The Russians are basically gone (Daniil and Andrei).
Mensik? Still young, so the future looks alright. And his record in TB's is so good that if he can get in 4 of them, maybe.
Fonseca. Only 18. But he needs to really learn to play on hards. He has the FH, but the rest is still in progress.
The chances of a J/C Part III are very good.
by Suliso I think Shelton on hard courts is a possibility.
by skatingfan The surprising thing about Shelton is that he doesn't hit big enough off the ground to compete with Sinner, and Alcaraz. His serve is the only thing that he does well enough a the moment, and at best he's going to start 50% of the points serving.
by ti-amie I think Shelton will need a favorable draw to get him into the QF's at a Slam.
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skatingfan ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:37 pm
I think Shelton will need a favorable draw to get him into the QF's at a Slam.
Shelton made the semis at the US Open two years ago. Also, he's going to move to #8 in the rankings as of next Monday, and so he'll have a chance to have his own section at the US Open this year, and he's a pretty consistent best of 5 player.
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ti-amie skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:13 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:37 pm
I think Shelton will need a favorable draw to get him into the QF's at a Slam.
Shelton made the semis at the US Open two years ago. Also, he's going to move to #8 in the rankings as of next Monday, and so he'll have a chance to have his own section at the US Open this year, and he's a pretty consistent best of 5 player.
Good point.
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skatingfan skatingfan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:13 am
ti-amie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:37 pm
I think Shelton will need a favorable draw to get him into the QF's at a Slam.
Shelton made the semis at the US Open two years ago. Also, he's going to move to #8 in the rankings as of next Monday, and so he'll have a chance to have his own section at the US Open this year, and he's a pretty consistent best of 5 player.
Just went back to look at Shelton's results - we must have some collective Shelton amnesia because he was just in the quarters at Wimbledon, and the semis in Australia (l. to Sinner both times) - so in total he's made 2 quarters, and 2 semis so far in his career.
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ponchi101 Who is Shelton?
Bad joke.
No, no amnesia. He is climbing up, and he has weapons. The serve is not his only tool; he has speed and he is powerful.
Using Ashkor's Tier system, he is in tier 3 (J/C are in 1, Novak in 2). Given the right conditions, he can go far. And he doesn't lose to players he should not.
He is a mildly dark horse for the USO.
(Now, watch that jinx go full blast and he having a lousy summer).
by ashkor87 looking back at the W finals, I am astonished at how high the level was, from both players.. while the drama was not high, the quality of tennis was, perhaps, even higher than the French Open.. these two fellas have taken the game to a new level.. never may it fall!
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:36 pm
Who is Shelton?
Bad joke.
No, no amnesia. He is climbing up, and he has weapons. The serve is not his only tool; he has speed and he is powerful.
Using Ashkor's Tier system, he is in tier 3 (J/C are in 1, Novak in 2). Given the right conditions, he can go far. And he doesn't lose to players he should not.
He is a mildly dark horse for the USO.
(Now, watch that jinx go full blast and he having a lousy summer).
thanks for the nod, but I really think Shelton is top of Tier 2..
by ponchi101 Tier 2 is solely inhabited by Novak. The sole two players that can beat him are J/C, on a regular basis (this list, of course, will grow quickly as his legs fade).
Tier 3 are: Fritz, Shelton, Zverev.
We are splitting hairs here, I would say. The differences are minute. (except the gap between J/C and the rest).