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Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:05 am
by patrick
Tax free OT to me means no one will work pass their regular schedule
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:59 am
by ti-amie
patrick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:05 am
Tax free OT to me means no one will work pass their regular schedule
I don't get this. You work an 8 hour day. Your employer says they need you to stay a bit longer to complete a project so your work day becomes ten hours instead of 8. He's implying that that two hours of work would not be taxed? Really? Your employer is just going to hand you the extra $50? Really? Is this a backdoor Project 2025 idea to stop funding Social Security and Medicare while getting rid of Healthcare?
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:26 am
by dryrunguy
In 1987, when I was 18 and working in a factory the summer before I went to college, all the while worrying about how I was going to pay for college, I would have jumped at the opportunity to work overtime, paid at time-and-a half (e.g., at the time, minimum wage in the U.S. was $3.35/hour minus taxes, overtime pay would have been $5.025/hour untaxed under Trump's tax-free overtime promise). Imagine someone today working in skilled labor making $30/hour taxed but having the chance to make $45/hour untaxed for overtime. A lot of people would jump at that.
Of course, so far, it's just fiction. But still... That's going to resonate with working class, unsalaried people.
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:18 am
by skatingfan
Tax free overtime was part of the platform because they intend to extensively limit overtime pay.
https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... rtime-pay/
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:25 am
by dryrunguy
And if you didn't know that?
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:08 am
by ti-amie
dryrunguy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:25 am
And if you didn't know that?
See Patrick's post upthread. You'd vote for Tiny.
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:19 am
by texasniteowl
So...what are the odds that in the next 2-3 years, Thomas and Alito retire to allow Trump to appoint 2 more 50 year olds?
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:25 am
by ashkor87
patrick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:05 am
Tax free OT to me means no one will work pass their regular schedule
More likely nobody will work in regular time..I have seen this in government offices in India all the time
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:57 am
by Suliso
I've heard that for a factory work in a certain company in Denmark. Slow work on weekdays, everyone eager to work on Sundays for double pay. In fact they get very angry if weekend work is not offered (shift work, so not really overtime).
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:20 pm
by Suliso
"Donald Trump collected 62 million votes in 2016, grew that to 74 million in 2020, and will check in at a bit less than 74 million this year. In other words, to the extent that he won new voters over this year, they were offset by voters who jumped ship. He really does have a pretty hard ceiling. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton collected 66 million votes in 2016, Joe Biden got 81 million in 2020, and this year, Kamala Harris is going to end up with about 68 million. "Where did all those Biden voters go?" is a question that will haunt Democratic operatives, not to mention political commentators, for months or years."
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 1:29 pm
by Owendonovan
So strange to me that everything that comes out of his mouth is heard as a lie(typically proven) to me, yet millions of other people hear what they believe to be the truth.
This untaxed OT is only being offered as a policy because it's easy, you can have the policy, but there won't ever be any OT offered to receive that benefit. Easy promise to say you kept.
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:37 pm
by ashkor87
I have concluded (realised) that I just don't understand America any more ! After 9-11 the entire mindset of the people seems to have changed..
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:43 pm
by mmmm8
dryrunguy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:40 pm
Meanwhile, it's important for us to take stock of precisely what happened.
CNN did extensive exit polling yesterday. One of the earlier exit polls indicated that about 90% of voters across the nation had made their decision about for whom they were going to vote BEFORE SEPTEMBER. That makes sense. That would be true for me as well.
Yes. The MAGA vote was always going to be mostly about whiteness and misogyny. We knew that a long time ago.
But there are good reasons why "It's the economy, stupid" is trending on Twitter.
I saw a few interviews with voters last night that really stuck with me.
The first was with a fairly young white man (I think he was in Michigan) who stated he had voted for Trump. When asked why, his response was pretty simple: He works a lot of overtime, so the message about no taxes on overtime really resonated with him. He also stated the last time he voted in a presidential election, he voted for Obama.
The second was with a young Asian couple--they were clearly immigrants, and they are expecting their first child. I don't remember their location, but it was a swing state. Anyway, they own a small business, and they both stated they had voted for Trump because their business has been significantly hurt in recent years by inflation.
So yes, there's MAGA. No question. But a lot of people in PA, NC, MI, GA, WI, NV, and AZ voted their wallets and pocketbooks. Sure, they're missing some valuable information and context, but they're real. And they vote.
I have a colleague that lives in Chicago. He's from Malaysia. He has two degrees, including a degree in finance from one of the top US universities. A lot of our work (employee benefits) is around inclusivity, ensuring sufficient healthcare, etc. I've had many conversations with him around this, he comes off as intelligent and generally gets a lot of DEI issues. Anyway, he loves Trump because Trump is a "great businessman."
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:44 pm
by mmmm8
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:37 pm
I have concluded (realised) that I just don't understand America any more ! After 9-11 the entire mindset of the people seems to have changed..
Focus changed after 9/11. I don't think mindset changed as much, as evidenced by Bush vs Gore election.
Re: Politics Random, Random
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:48 pm
by mmmm8
Right, it doesn't make sense in terms of benefitting the employee in a lot of ways if you start thinking about it. For example, if the taxation is free for both EE and ER, that just incentivizes the ER to hire less staff and make everyone do overtime.
But it sounds good in theory, if you don't think about it.