Talk About Tennis 2.0

Svitolina is taking a break from tennis again, but it sounds like she plans to be back at some point.

JTContinental wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:55 pm Svitolina is taking a break from tennis again, but it sounds like she plans to be back at some point.

Non Spanish speaker here.

During Carlitos match vs Arnaldi one of the comms (not if it was Koenig) pointed out Carlitos father, also named Carlos, in the stands and said Carlitos is too old to be called that nickname and said it came about because he wanted to distinguish himself from his father growing up. Carlitos himself said that if you call him "Carlos" he thinks he's about to be punished for doing something wrong.

Is there an age where the nickname "Carlitos" would be retired? If not, why do comms, who don't live in a culture, think that what they would prefer is best for someone?

In Spanish cultures, the "Itos" and "Itas" really should be retired around 15.
Papa Carlos has a point.

I may have missed it, but that Adidas outfit with the tiered skirt and two type color + black/white print that Pegula and Kasatkina have worn...anyone else absolutely hate it? Or maybe it's just another one of those things I don't understand as I am getting older?

texasniteowl wrote:I may have missed it, but that Adidas outfit with the tiered skirt and two type color + black/white print that Pegula and Kasatkina have worn...anyone else absolutely hate it? Or maybe it's just another one of those things I don't understand as I am getting older?

I liked it on Svitolina. Don’t on Pegula and Kasatkina - skirt is too bottom-heavy for them. Feels like it has one too many elements. Like a fashion-school project. “Look what you can make out of neckties!”


The pro-shop stuff looks better and is very pretty.

It looks like a Raggedy Ann dress

It depends who wears it. As Megan said, it looked awful on Pegula. But Elina pulled it out nicely.

Some back in the day tennis...

One of my data points about experience.

On winning ugly...People are accusing Coco of that, just because Gilbert was such a master at that...I don't think having a great defence can be called 'winning ugly'..it is just Coco's strength..
I once saw a great example of Gilbert winning ugly. This was at Rock Creek Park in the DC area, cica 1988.. Boris Becker won the first set with Gilbert playing pure garbage...then, imperceptibly, Gilbert began to play better..by that time, Becker's level had dropped, just better than Gilbert's..we all know that happens..you play just well enough to win..
But now, Gilbert was getting better and Becker could not find another gear...Gilbert in 3! That is winning ugly: getting your opponent to play badly...

Agree. And Coco is not winning ugly: the concept of what Gilbert would do was to garbage you all the time, and finding what shots you did not like. It did not work always (Agassi and Pete really had no problem generating their own shots) but for some players, it did, and that was what Gilbert was very good at.
Coco is not like that. She does not change her game to bother you. If her game bothers you, and the defense is too much, she will beat you, but she does not change her style radically between matches.

I have trouble separating Gilbert the Personality/Commentator with Gilbert the Player. I don't know. It just seems a bit inherently insulting to compare Gauff to Gilbert--in any way. She's a nice kid. Let's not do that.