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Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:21 am
by ti-amie
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:58 pm
by ponchi101
Yes. Grigor. I know, I know, I know. I have been schooled by better analyzers of the game. But I still wonder how come he has not even made a slam final, with that game.
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 2:59 pm
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:58 pm
Yes. Grigor. I know, I know, I know. I have been schooled by better analyzers of the game. But I still wonder how come he has not even made a slam final, with that game.
mental strength? heart? competitive spirit? Sharapova?
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:30 pm
by ashkor87
The (almost year-end stats on the wta site) show Andreeva is the best returner of first serves, with a win rate of 42.3%, Coco at 41.8% and Swiatek at 41.2% are right behind her..On second serve returns, Swiatek and Vika lead at 59.6%, Coco is at 59.4%, not far behind.. I always thought very highly of Azarenka as a punisher of weak serves (see her against Ostapenko for instance), and the stats bear this out.
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:36 pm
by ashkor87
on the men's side, Tommy Paul leads on first serve return at 34.3%, with DeMinaur close behind at 34/2%.. Navone is at 34% (never seen him!)
on second serve, DeMinaur leads at 55.8%, Sinner second at 55.1%
interesting that DeMinaur is so good at returns, in addition to being the quickest player.. I wonder if they are related.. Paul is high too.. and he is pretty quick as well..
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:52 pm
by ti-amie
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:24 pm
by ti-amie
OUCH
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:51 pm
by ponchi101
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:29 am
by ashkor87
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:36 pm
on the men's side, Tommy Paul leads on first serve return at 34.3%, with DeMinaur close behind at 34/2%.. Navone is at 34% (never seen him!)
on second serve, DeMinaur leads at 55.8%, Sinner second at 55.1%
interesting that DeMinaur is so good at returns, in addition to being the quickest player.. I wonder if they are related.. Paul is high too.. and he is pretty quick as well..
One hypothesis is- what we see as quickness really starts with anticipation and seeing the ball early- which is what it takes to return big serves ..so it is not surprising that they are correlated..
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:27 pm
by ponchi101
Agree on Deminaur's speed. he is super fast, in that we can all agree. But his ZERO to TOP SPEED time is minimal. He reacts super quickly.
I think the two fastest guys on the tour are him and Alcaraz. And I will give the nod to Deminaur. On a short, 10 mts dash, he will beat Carlos.
If he only had one solid weapon...
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:37 pm
by Owendonovan
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:30 pm
The (almost year-end stats on the wta site) show Andreeva is the best returner of first serves, with a win rate of 42.3%, Coco at 41.8% and Swiatek at 41.2% are right behind her..On second serve returns, Swiatek and Vika lead at 59.6%, Coco is at 59.4%, not far behind.. I always thought very highly of Azarenka as a punisher of weak serves (see her against Ostapenko for instance), and the stats bear this out.
Yes, she learned that from watching Serena consistently demolish her second serves.
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:11 pm
by ti-amie
Thank you Carlos.
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:29 pm
by ponchi101

"Yes, I have a price. Steep, but I have a price. And since this was not illegal..."
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:16 pm
by ti-amie
Re: Tennis Random, Random (On Court)
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:31 pm
by ti-amie
Another failed test?