Talk About Tennis 2.0

Remember that the rankings were also set up to avoid preferential treatments.
Suppose we don't even get Nadal-Ruud. Suppose we get Zverev-Rublev. Well, that is the sport. If it were up to he NBA (just an example), the Knicks would be in the finals way more often than The Jazz, or the Spurs. Last year, they got the Suns and the Bucks, two small markets, which did not draw for great ratings. This year, they get the Celtics and the Warriors. Sometimes you kick, sometimes you get kicked.
You don't change the system because every once in a while you don't get the final you want. Otherwise, Roger and Rafa would get byes into the final all the time.

WTA race top 10 before RG SF's

Swiatek 6070 (F 6590, W 7290)
Jabeur 2520
Pegula 2232
Badosa 2007
Sakkari 1936
Kasatkina 1911 (F 2431, W 3131)
Collins 1756
Keys 1623
Kudermetova 1573
Gauff 1557 (F 2077, W 2777)
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17 Trevisan 1226 (F 1746, W 2446)

Suliso wrote: ↑Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:07 am Reshuffling would be very unfair to lower ranked players.

Yes, but what has fairness got to do with it? It is a business, a very big one! Sounds a bit cynical, I know, but that is the reality, isn't it?

No, you are correct. It is a business, something that we, and all people, don't remember all the time. The whole purpose of the ATP and the WTA is to generate as much profit for the tournaments, owners and players.
But it is very hard to run a successful business if your employees are disgruntled. If the players were to become unhappy with the seeding structure, which impacts in some cases their earnings ("oh, BTW, you are an unpopular player so we will have you play Rafa in the 1st round if Roland Garros, ok?"), some weird, Novak like parallel tour could gain traction.

Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:14 am WTA race top 10 before RG SF's

Swiatek 6070 (F 6590, W 7290)
Jabeur 2520
Pegula 2232
Badosa 2007
Sakkari 1936
Kasatkina 1911 (F 2431, W 3131)
Collins 1756
Keys 1623
Kudermetova 1573
Gauff 1557 (F 2077, W 2777)
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17 Trevisan 1226 (F 1746, W 2446)

Can the WTA ship the number 1 trophy to Swiatek's home on Sunday if she wins Saturday?

BTW. How come Novak will not lose the #1 ranking after RG? He was defending 2000 points, and now loses 1640. The people at ESPN say that he will retain the position.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:22 pm BTW. How come Novak will not lose the #1 ranking after RG? He was defending 2000 points, and now loses 1640. The people at ESPN say that he will retain the position.

Seems like there is a one week delay. He'll lose it for sure, but one week later.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:21 pm No, you are correct. It is a business, something that we, and all people, don't remember all the time. The whole purpose of the ATP and the WTA is to generate as much profit for the tournaments, owners and players.
But it is very hard to run a successful business if your employees are disgruntled. If the players were to become unhappy with the seeding structure, which impacts in some cases their earnings ("oh, BTW, you are an unpopular player so we will have you play Rafa in the 1st round if Roland Garros, ok?"), some weird, Novak like parallel tour could gain traction.

Yes ..but not easy to take on the entire tour, is it?

You need to keep most of your top 50 players reasonably happy as well. Some of them will be your top draws later on.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:22 pm BTW. How come Novak will not lose the #1 ranking after RG? He was defending 2000 points, and now loses 1640. The people at ESPN say that he will retain the position.

Last year Roland Garros was played a week later than this year because of the pandemic so the points don't come off until the next week.

Projected rankings for Djokovic, Medvedev and Zverev depending on Zverev’s results:

JUNE 6

Zverev loses in SF

1 Djokovic 8770
2 Medvedev 8160
3 Zverev 7795

Zverev loses in F

1 Djokovic 8770
2 Zverev 8275
3 Medvedev 8160

Zverev wins Title

1 Zverev 9075
2 Djokovic 8770
3 Medvedev 8160

JUNE 13

Zverev loses in SF

1 Medvedev 7800
2 Zverev 7075
3 Djokovic 6770

Zverev loses in F

1 Medvedev 7800
2 Zverev 7555
3 Djokovic 6770

Zverev wins Title

1 Zverev 8355
2 Medvedev 7800
3 Djokovic 6770

Apropos nothing, I remembered an incident- Wimbledon had exercised its discretion and seeded Mandlikova above Navratilova..which made Navratilova furious, she vented on and on. then Hana beat her..the headline in the paper said it best 'Wimbledon seeding committee shows it knows a thing or two about tennis'..!

I had forgotten that one. Martina seeded 4th, Hana 2nd, and indeed, Hana beat her 6-1 in the third.
On the other side of why this could not be a good idea: remember the 1996 USO fiasco, trying to seed Agassi 4th so CBS could show the potential Agassi/Sampas SF. It became a total mess in a hurry.

3mlm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:18 pm
Last year Roland Garros was played a week later than this year because of the pandemic so the points don't come off until the next week.

Yup. We really shouldn't forget how many unilateral decisions RG was making during the pandemic that pissed off the rest of the Grand Slams and both tours. Last year's change of dates came very late and it torched the mixed s-Hertogenbosch event (which had already been canceled in 2020) and shrunk the time between RG and Wimbledon back to 2 weeks.

i dont know how we can take these rankings seriously.. Kontaveit #2? In what universe is she the second-best player in the world?!
I can accept Jabeur, even Sakkari - but really, the second-best player right now is Osaka, followed by Leylah and Anisimova... then Sakkari, Jabeur, then Gauff and Collins certainly not Badosa, as I have often said, she is a bit over-rated.