Re: '22 Day 8 OoP & Discussion
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:16 pm
The match is totally forgettable. It has no appeal.
We still talk about tennis. And much more.
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Excellent questions. First, let me emphasize that I am not a therapist or psychologist. (Albeit, let me also add how often, when you are working with folks, you'll see how psychologists and psychiatrist can wildly disagree on diagnoses with clients.) Any of my opinions expressed here are primarily from my many years of experiences professionally and as a volunteer in the social services, my degrees and continual trainings and reading updated research, and my personal mental health issues- major depression with some anxiety.ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:03 pmSerious here (since you have worked with social issues all your life, you have more expertise than I do in the subject). In what way would winning Wimbledon make Kyrgios a better person on court? If he has had the depth of analysis to openly talk about mental-health issues in his life, how come he cannot see how detrimental to his public persona his pattern of behavior is?
Last. Somebody else mentioned that maybe Nick was the one that suffered from bullying. I find that hard to accept vis-a-vis. He is a big bloke, his older brother looks like a refrigerator. Big men with a support are not the ones that receive bullying, generally. And his family does not strike me as a family that does not support him. Again, the brother was very vocal early in his career on his unequivocal support for Nick ("Shut up and watch greatness" he replied to some people complaining about Nick's beha6'4vior), his mom was very frequently in the stands, obviously cheering, now his father is there for the first time and this man does not look as one of those domineering, un-supporting dad's (Jim Pierce, Yuri Sharapov, the tragic figures over Dokic and Lucic).
Again, serious question.
He… what? He did this??Cuckoo4Coco wrote:She might, we have been friends for many years now. Many years for two teens that are 16 years old. She knows that I am a crazy tennis fan. She knows what she has to deal with.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:36 pmMaybe she will be a fan after watching the match with you! I am always torn between hanging out with family and friends over the 4th and watching hours of tennis.Cuckoo4Coco wrote:My one friend is coming over for some 4 of July grilling food that my Grandpa and My Brothers are cooking up, but I told her that part of the festivities is definitely going to be watching the Anisimova & Tan match. This friend is not a tennis player so she will just have to deal.
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Speaking of tennis and more really classless acts from Nick Kyrgios in screaming "You're Done" to Brandon Nakashima while about to go up 5-1 in the 5th set. Even John McEnroe had no words for that.
Yep, if you watch set # 5 when Kyrgios is about to go up 5 games to 1 on Brandon he screams out something and then "You're Done!!!" John McEnroe and the other commentator on ESPN couldn't believe it.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:22 pmHe… what? He did this??Cuckoo4Coco wrote:She might, we have been friends for many years now. Many years for two teens that are 16 years old. She knows that I am a crazy tennis fan. She knows what she has to deal with.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:36 pm
Maybe she will be a fan after watching the match with you! I am always torn between hanging out with family and friends over the 4th and watching hours of tennis.
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Speaking of tennis and more really classless acts from Nick Kyrgios in screaming "You're Done" to Brandon Nakashima while about to go up 5-1 in the 5th set. Even John McEnroe had no words for that.
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Should be unsportsmanlike conduct.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:34 pmYep, if you watch set # 5 when Kyrgios is about to go up 5 games to 1 on Brandon he screams out something and then "You're Done!!!" John McEnroe and the other commentator on ESPN couldn't believe it.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:22 pmHe… what? He did this??Cuckoo4Coco wrote:
She might, we have been friends for many years now. Many years for two teens that are 16 years old. She knows that I am a crazy tennis fan. She knows what she has to deal with.
Speaking of tennis and more really classless acts from Nick Kyrgios in screaming "You're Done" to Brandon Nakashima while about to go up 5-1 in the 5th set. Even John McEnroe had no words for that.
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Should have been , but it got the usual nothing. Brandon didn't even acknowledge it and just moved right onto the next point.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:12 amShould be unsportsmanlike conduct.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:34 pmYep, if you watch set # 5 when Kyrgios is about to go up 5 games to 1 on Brandon he screams out something and then "You're Done!!!" John McEnroe and the other commentator on ESPN couldn't believe it.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:22 pm
He… what? He did this??
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^ Many players do something similar to this.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:15 pm Nick Kyrgios everytime I watch him play he does something even more foolish than the last match. Only down one break he thinks it is better to just throw his last service game and head to the 5th set and take his chances. I hope that Brandon sends him packing so badly.
That's the best way to handle Nick, i think - just go about your business and ignore his nonsense.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:16 amShould have been , but it got the usual nothing. Brandon didn't even acknowledge it and just moved right onto the next point.meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:12 amShould be unsportsmanlike conduct.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:34 pm Yep, if you watch set # 5 when Kyrgios is about to go up 5 games to 1 on Brandon he screams out something and then "You're Done!!!" John McEnroe and the other commentator on ESPN couldn't believe it.
^ Glad you got to see her.
^ Fritz is the definition of 'vanilla'. He's just... there. Never any controversy surrounding him... nothing spectacular about his game...
Kyrgios definitely feeds into what he does. You could see it in the Stef match. When Stef started to feed into what he was doing and slammed a shot of the back wall Nick had a big smile on his face. Nick also after all the crap he was doing would then turn things into what Stef did in his frustration to the nonsense of the match. Now Nick did have a beef with the whole ball being hit in the stands, but all the other stuff he just ran his mouth about Stef.Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:20 am^ Many players do something similar to this.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:15 pm Nick Kyrgios everytime I watch him play he does something even more foolish than the last match. Only down one break he thinks it is better to just throw his last service game and head to the 5th set and take his chances. I hope that Brandon sends him packing so badly.
Of the things to criticize Kyrgios for, this would be last on my list.
That's the best way to handle Nick, i think - just go about your business and ignore his nonsense.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:16 amShould have been , but it got the usual nothing. Brandon didn't even acknowledge it and just moved right onto the next point.
Of course, if one is the confrontational type, that would be good, too. I'm pretty sure that Nick would become completely unglued if an opponent truly got 'in his face' and confronted him about his behaviour (and his incredible hypocrisy), and made him accountable for the things he does and says.
Insofar as the subject of his psychological make-up goes... of course none of us know the source of his problems. But he is very obviously an incredibly insecure individual.
And when it comes to abuse, bullying, etc. - that stuff wears many faces. Abuse and bullying can be psychological and/or emotional just as much (or more) than it can be physical or sexual. And so one's physical size is entirely irrelevant when it comes to being the victim of abuse.
Also - many bullies were bullied or abused in some way when they were young.
In the Tsitsipas match when the Chair Umpire loudly responded that Nick was going to challenge a call and you could hear in his voice he was irritated by Nick's antics you could see a little that Nick was surprised by the out burst by the chair umpire. Now that wasn't from his opponent and he just kept going and did what he had to do to win the match his way, but that outburst by the chair umpire shocked him a bit at least for a minute.Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:32 pm When I say that Kyrgios would become unglued rather quickly if another player truly confronted and challenged him on his behaviour, I mean that it would significantly affect his tennis - because being challenged would make him terrified of being exposed, and being disliked by everyone.
I'd even go so far as to say that if another player ever truly confronted/challenged him on his behaviour, it could very well be the end of Nick's tennis career - because he is incredibly fragile psychologically and emotionally.
I don't think he became unglued in the Tsitsipas match - Kyrgios was the maestro of that match, and was in total control of the 'mood' of the match. Tsitsipas was the one who became unglued by Nick's behaviours and manipulations.
As you say, Nakashima didn't buy into the nonsense - he ignored it and kept on his own path. And the result was that he came closer to beating Kyrgios than Tsitsipas did, despite Tsitsipas being a better player than Nakashima right now.
I've seen Carlos Bernardes telling Nick to "Stop. Stop. Stop" over and over when Nick was going off on him, and it didn't work.Cuckoo4Coco wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:01 pmIn the Tsitsipas match when the Chair Umpire loudly responded that Nick was going to challenge a call and you could hear in his voice he was irritated by Nick's antics you could see a little that Nick was surprised by the out burst by the chair umpire. Now that wasn't from his opponent and he just kept going and did what he had to do to win the match his way, but that outburst by the chair umpire shocked him a bit at least for a minute.Deuce wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:32 pm When I say that Kyrgios would become unglued rather quickly if another player truly confronted and challenged him on his behaviour, I mean that it would significantly affect his tennis - because being challenged would make him terrified of being exposed, and being disliked by everyone.
I'd even go so far as to say that if another player ever truly confronted/challenged him on his behaviour, it could very well be the end of Nick's tennis career - because he is incredibly fragile psychologically and emotionally.
I don't think he became unglued in the Tsitsipas match - Kyrgios was the maestro of that match, and was in total control of the 'mood' of the match. Tsitsipas was the one who became unglued by Nick's behaviours and manipulations.
As you say, Nakashima didn't buy into the nonsense - he ignored it and kept on his own path. And the result was that he came closer to beating Kyrgios than Tsitsipas did, despite Tsitsipas being a better player than Nakashima right now.