Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:36 pm
by JTContinental
Going to picture in picture while play is still happening and then showing a commercial in one of the windows should be a crime punishable by death.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:55 pm
by ti-amie
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:36 pm
Going to picture in picture while play is still happening and then showing a commercial in one of the windows should be a crime punishable by death.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:35 pm
by JTContinental
Jabeur about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:47 pm
by skatingfan
JTContinental wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:35 pm
Jabeur about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Kalinina trying to do the same thing.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:48 pm
by skatingfan
Taylor Fritz on the court speed, and issue with the balls this week.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:53 pm
by JTContinental
Jabeur wins 5 games in a row to now lead 6-5
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:17 pm
by nelslus
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:40 pm
I thought I was the only one thinking that way. But I was not able to pinpoint any deviations from his game.
I don't see him as a factor against any other top 10.
Apparently, you forgot about #10 Tiafoe.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:54 pm
by meganfernandez
Why don't more women work on their serve and make it a weapon? Who has a first serve that's a reliable weapon these days? Such a missed opportunity.
Other than Serena, Pliskova and Osaka are the last players I can think of who had a reliably big and well-placed serve. Maybe Georges - the one year when she was on a tear, 2017-18, she was bombing them left and right. Jabeur serves well but I don't think it's her big weapon. Who am I missing? Who bombs it and gets out of tight spots with it? Kanepi but she doesn't have a ton to show for it.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:11 am
by JTContinental
No final for Rublev I guess
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:18 am
by skatingfan
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:54 pm
Why don't more women work on their serve and make it a weapon? Who has a first serve that's a reliable weapon these days? Such a missed opportunity.
Other than Serena, Pliskova and Osaka are the last players I can think of who had a reliably big and well-placed serve. Maybe Georges - the one year when she was on a tear, 2017-18, she was bombing them left and right. Jabeur serves well but I don't think it's her big weapon. Who am I missing? Who bombs it and gets out of tight spots with it? Kanepi but she doesn't have a ton to show for it.
Rybakina
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:19 am
by meganfernandez
JTContinental wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:11 am
No final for Rublev I guess
Oops, Tignor.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:54 pm
Why don't more women work on their serve and make it a weapon? Who has a first serve that's a reliable weapon these days? Such a missed opportunity.
Other than Serena, Pliskova and Osaka are the last players I can think of who had a reliably big and well-placed serve. Maybe Georges - the one year when she was on a tear, 2017-18, she was bombing them left and right. Jabeur serves well but I don't think it's her big weapon. Who am I missing? Who bombs it and gets out of tight spots with it? Kanepi but she doesn't have a ton to show for it.
Rybakina
Yes. More should develop it like she has. Sabalenka's is destructive when she gets it in, but it's not nearly consistent enough. Kvitova's was a weapon when she was in form.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:01 am
by ashkor87
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:54 pm
Why don't more women work on their serve and make it a weapon?
if you compare with the situation 10 years ago, women have much better serves now.. almost everyone has a decent to good serve.. and Rybakina/Samsonova have lethal first serves too, in addition to the ones you mentioned. In fact, I used o so admire Alicia Moulik because whe had the correct serving action - arched back and everything.. nowadays it is quite commn: Parry, for instance is someone whose action is admirable.
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:55 am
by ti-amie
Wednesday, August 16, 2023 Day 5
Center Court Starts At 11:00 Am
(Q) Martina Trevisan VS (3) Jessica Pegula Not Before 12:00 PM (1) Iga Swiatek VS (WC) Danielle Collins Followed By (4) Stefanos Tsitsipas VS Ben Shelton Not Before 7:00 Pm
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina VS (2) Novak Djokovic Not Before 8:30 PM
Mayar Sherif VS (7) Coco Gauff
Grandstand Starts At 11:00 Am
Lorenzo Musetti VS (3) Daniil Medvedev Followed By (8) Jannik Sinner VS (Q) Dusan Lajovic Not Before 3:00 PM
Qinwen Zheng VS (WC) Venus Williams Not Before 7:00 PM
(Q) Ann Li VS (2) Aryna Sabalenka Followed By (10) Frances Tiafoe VS (WC) Stan Wawrinka
Stadium 3 Starts At 11:00 Am
Ugo Humbert VS (14) Tommy Paul Followed By
Lorenzo Sonego VS (9) Taylor Fritz Followed By
Hubert Hurkacz VS (15) Borna Coric Not Before 5:00 PM (4) Elena Rybakina VS Jelena Ostapenko Followed By
Donna Vekic VS Victoria Azarenka
Porsche Court Starts At 11:00 Am
(14) Daria Kasatkina VS (LL) Varvara Gracheva Not Before 12:00 PM (10) Marketa VondrousovaVS Anastasia Potapova Followed By (8) Maria Sakkari VS Sorana Cirstea Followed By (9) Petra Kvitova VS (Q) Linda Noskova Not Before 5:00 Pm
Elise Mertens VS Marie Bouzkova
Court 4 Starts At 11:00 Am
(16) Alexander Zverev VS Yoshihito Nishioka Followed By
(Q) Max Purcell VS (5) Casper Ruud Followed By
(PR) Gael Monfils VS Alex de Minaur Followed By (6) Holger RuneVS (WC) Mackenzie McDonald Followed By / After Rest TBF 6/5
Rinky Hijikata/Jason Kubler VS Hubert Hurkacz/Mate Pavic
Court 7 Starts At 11:00 Am
(OSE) Alycia Parks/Taylor Townsend VS Latisha Chan/Zhaoxuan Yang Followed By (3) Nicole Melichar-Martinez/Ellen PerezVS Tereza Mihalikova/Yifan Xu Not Before 2:00 PM
Petra Martic VS Karolina Muchova Followed By
(Q) Jasmine Paolini VS (Q) Cristina Bucsa After Suitable Rest
(WC) Jennifer Brady/Asia Muhammad VS (7) Hao-Ching Chan/Giuliana Olmos
To Be Arranged
(OSE) Irina-Camelia Begu/Sara Sorribes Tormo VS (2) Storm Hunter/Elise Mertens
Court 8 Starts At 11:00 Am
Robin Haase/Karen Khachanov VS (2) Ivan Dodig/Austin Krajicek Followed By
Maximo Gonzalez/Andres Molteni VS (3) Rajeev Ram/Joe Salisbury Followed By
(WC) Emma Navarro/Peyton Stearns VS (4) Desirae Krawczyk/Demi Schuurs After Suitable Rest (6) Su-Wei Hsieh/Xinyu Wang VS (OSE) Anna Blinkova/Varvara Gracheva After Suitable Rest
(WC) Bethanie Mattek-Sands/Anastasia Potapova VS Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova/Luisa Stefani Followed By
Miyu Kato/Aldila Sutjiadi VS Gabriela Dabrowski/Erin Routliffe
Court 11 Not Before 2:30 Pm
(7) Kevin Krawietz/Tim Puetz VS Felix Auger-Aliassime/Adrian Mannarino Followed By / TBF 6/7(10) 1/2
Lloyd Glasspool/Harri Heliovaara VS Max Purcell/Andrey Rublev Followed By
(WC) Lorenzo Musetti/Lorenzo Sonego VS (8) Marcel Granollers/Horacio Zeballos
Re: ATP M1000 WTA 1000 Cincinnati 8/13 - 8/20 2023
meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:54 pm
Why don't more women work on their serve and make it a weapon?
if you compare with the situation 10 years ago, women have much better serves now.. almost everyone has a decent to good serve.. and Rybakina/Samsonova have lethal first serves too, in addition to the ones you mentioned. In fact, I used o so admire Alicia Moulik because whe had the correct serving action - arched back and everything.. nowadays it is quite commn: Parry, for instance is someone whose action is admirable.
Agree the average serve might be better, and returns have improved, too. But I think not nearly enough players are seizing the opportunity to have a truly great serve and a weapon. They can control it. They can improve it. It is still the most important shot in the sport. It's bizarre to me.
Rybakina and Samsonova CAN produce a lethal serve, but their first serve !% is too low for it to be a reliable weapon - 57% and 54% respectively. They need to get that to 60 or above (Serena and Barty were both at 60% for their careers, so that seems like a good standard for winning multiple Slams and getting to No. 1). Then it's the weapon I'm talking about. They both have a high percentage of first serves unreturned (along with Qinwin Zheng, Garcia and Marino). But they could use more consistency. Even a few percentage points could make the difference between their current results and No. 1