by ti-amie Tournament: Rothesay International
Location: Eastbourne, Great Britain
Dates: June 24 - June 29, 2024
Level: WTA 500
Surface: Grass
Seed Player Entry Ranking
1 Elena Rybakina 4
2 Jessica Pegula 5
3 Danielle Collins 10
4 Jelena Ostapenko 11
5 Madison Keys 12
6 Daria Kasatkina 13
7 Jasmine Paolini 15
8 Karolina Muchova 16
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova 22
Barbora Krejcikova 26
Elise Mertens 27
Katie Boulter 28
Sorana Cirstea 30
Leylah Fernandez 34
Sloane Stephens 35
Yue Yuan 36
Ajla Tomljanovic 33 (SR)
Qualifying Entry List
1. Wang, Xinyu 王欣瑜 CHN 37
2. Potapova, Anastasia NIL 41
3. Bouzkova, Marie CZE 42
4. Linette, Magda POL 46
5. Kalinina, Anhelina UKR 48
6. Frech, Magdalena POL 49
7. Pliskova, Karolina CZE 52
8. Kenin, Sofia USA 56
9. Zhu, Lin 朱琳 CHN 58
10. Davis, Lauren USA SR 59 (253)
11. Dolehide, Caroline USA 60
12. Wang, Xiyu 王曦雨 CHN 61
13. Bogdan, Ana ROU 64
14. Krueger, Ashlyn USA 66
15. Wang, Yafan 王雅繁 CHN 68
16. Avanesyan, Elina NIL 70
17. Siegemund, Laura GER 71
18. Tauson, Clara DEN 72
19. Bucsa, Cristina ESP 73
20. Golubic, Viktorija SUI 76
by ti-amie Tournament: Rothesay International
Location: Eastbourne, Great Britain
Dates: June 24 – June 29 2024
Level: ATP 250
Surface: Grass
Prize: €740,160
Total Financial Commitment: €812,235
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Taylor Fritz 12 12
2 Tommy Paul 13 14
3 Alexander Bublik 17 17
4 Sebastian Baez 19 20
5 Francisco Cerundolo 26 27
6 Mariano Navone 29 31
7 Jack Draper 31 39
8 Tomas Martin Etcheverry 32 29
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 33 32
Arthur Fils 37 38
Zhizhen Zhang 42 44
Fabian Marozsan 45 43
Laslo Djere 47 52
Flavio Cobolli 49 53
Pavel Kotov 50 56
Marcos Giron 53 50
Lorenzo Sonego 57 49
Kei Nishikori 400 48 (PR)
(WC)
(WC)
(WC)
(SE)
(SE)
(LE)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
(Q)
Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Miomir Kecmanovic 54 57
2 Thiago Seyboth Wild 74 58
3 Daniel Evans 59 62
5 Emil Ruusuvuori 87 67
6 Christopher O'Connell 75 68
7 Arthur Rinderknech 66 69
8 Yoshihito Nishioka 103 70
9 Federico Coria 73 71
10 Luca Nardi 72 72
11 Mackenzie McDonald 76 74
12 Matteo Berrettini 65 74 (PR)
13 Andy Murray 129 75
14 Jakub Mensik 81 76
15 Arthur Cazaux 90 77
16 Rinky Hijikata 98 78
18 Taro Daniel 85 80
20 Daniel Altmaier 82 83
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Jiri Lehecka 25 23
by ti-amie ATP Qualifying Entry Lists
Entries
Seed Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Miomir Kecmanovic 54 57
2 Arthur Rinderknech 66 69
3 Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard 67 66
4 Luca Nardi 72 72
5 Federico Coria 73 71
6 Thiago Seyboth Wild 74 58
7 Christopher O'Connell 75 68
8 Mackenzie McDonald 76 74
Taro Daniel 85 80
Emil Ruusuvuori 87 67
Arthur Cazaux 90 77
Rinky Hijikata 98 78
Yoshihito Nishioka 103 70
Andy Murray 129 75
(WC)
(WC)
Alternates
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
1 Brandon Nakashima 63 84
2 Aleksandar Kovacevic 84 87
3 Aleksandar Vukic 80 89
4 Juncheng Shang 96 92
5 Max Purcell 101 94
6 Matteo Berrettini 65 97
7 Francisco Comesana 118 99
11 Dominic Stricker 153 143
16 Dane Sweeny 244 237
17 Philip Sekulic 240 238
18 Alex Bolt 227 240
19 Gijs Brouwer 191 241
20 Arthur Fery 249 246
Withdrawals
Name Seeding Ranking Entry Ranking
Pavel Kotov 50 56
by ti-amie Qualifying Draw – WTA
M. Linette (1) vs Y. Wang
R. Stoiber (WC) vs C. Bucsa (9)
S. Kenin (2) vs D. Saville
V. Golubic vs C. Dolehide (8)
A. Kalinina (3) vs S. Grey (WC)
L. Davis vs L. Siegemund (12)
A. Bogdan (4) vs E. McDonald (WC)
E. Silva (WC) vs A. Krueger (11)
Xiyu Wang (5) vs P. Martic
E. Avanesyan vs C. Tauson (10)
M. Frech (6) vs C. Osorio
M. Uchijima vs L. Zhu (7)
by ti-amie Qualifying Draw – ATP
M. McDonald (1) vs J. McCabe (Alt)
C. Broom vs F. Comesana (8)
A. Vukic (2) vs A. Bellier (Alt)
A. Fery vs Y. Nishioka (7)
A. Kovacevic (3) vs H. Searle (WC)
J. Choinski vs M. Purcell (6)
A. Cazaux (4) vs G. Hussey (WC)
O. Otte (Alt) vs J. Shang (5)
by meganfernandez Draper might want to slow it down but I bet he’s getting a nice appearance fee.
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by jazzyg Draper withdrew a couple days ago.
by ti-amie Main Draw Singles - ATP
T. Fritz (1)/Bye
Qualifier vs T. Seyboth Wild
C. Norrie vs E. Ruusuvuori
Qualifier vs T. Etcheverry (7)
A. Bublik (3)/Bye
D. Koepfer vs F. Marozsan
L. Broady (WC) vs Qualifier
M. Giron vs F. Cerundolo (5)
A. Davidovich Fokina (8) vs L. Sonego
Qualifier vs L. Djere
M. Kecmanovic vs Z. Zhang
Bye/S. Baez (4)
M. Navone (6) vs K. Nishikori (PR)
A. Rinderknech vs F. Cobolli
B. Harris (WC) vs J. Fearnley (WC)
Bye/T. Paul (2)
by ti-amie Main Draw Singles - WTA
E. Rybakina (1)/Bye
H. Dart (WC) vs M. Bouzkova
Qualifier/LL vs Qualifier/LL
L. Fernandez vs B. Krejcikova (7)
M. Keys (4)/Bye
S. Cirstea vs Qualifier/LL
K. Muchova vs Qualifier/LL
Qualifier/LL vs A. Pavlyuchenkova (8)
J. Ostapenko (5) vs Qualifier/LL
K. Boulter vs Qualifier/LL
Y. Miyazaki (WC) vs E. Mertens
Bye/J. Paolini (3)
D. Kasatkina (6) vs Xinyu Wang
Y. Yuan vs A. Potapova
S. Stephens vs E. Raducanu (WC)
Bye/J. Pegula (2)
by ti-amie There seems to be an issue with the information from this event. Not even their official site has an OoP.
by ashkor87 All eyes on Muchova!
by ti-amie I put on Eastbourne just in time to see Ostapenko sprawled on the ground and grabbing her hip after a fall. The physio is out.
by ti-amie Tue, 25 June, 2024 (Day 4)
Centre Court
Starts At 11:00
C. Norrie Vs E. Ruusuvuori
Not Before 12:30
S. Stephens Vs E. Raducanu (WC)
Followed By
K. Boulter Vs P. Martic
Not Before 16:00
A. Davidovich Fokina (8) Vs L. Sonego
Court 1
Starts At 11:00
Y. Miyazaki (WC) Vs E. Mertens
Not Before 12:30
L. Broady (WC) Vs (Q) Y. Nishioka
Followed By
M. Navone (6) Vs (PR) K. Nishikori
Not Before 16:00
D. Kasatkina (6) Vs X. Wang
Court 2
Starts At 11:00
A. Krueger (Q) Vs V. Golubic (Q)
Followed By
K. Muchova Vs E. Avanesyan (Q)
Followed By
A. Rinderknech Vs F. Cobolli
Followed By
R. Ram/J. Salisbury (1) Vs M. Purcell/E. Ruusuvuori
Followed By
R. Matos/M. Melo Vs (4) N. Skupski/M. Venus
Court 4
Starts At 11:00
C. Bucsa/M. Ninomiya Vs M. Bouzkova/M. Linette
Followed By
H. Dart/M. Lumsden Vs (3) D. Schuurs/L. Stefani
Followed By
E. Lechemia/K. Zimmermann Vs L. Kichenok/J. Ostapenko
Followed By
L. Fernandez/E. Shibahara Vs (2) B. Krejcikova/L. Siegemund
Followed By
X. Wang/Y. Wang Vs S. Hsieh/S. Stephens
Court 5
Starts At 11:00
J. McCabe (Q) Vs T. Seyboth Wild
Followed By
M. Kecmanovic Vs Z. Zhang
Followed By
F. Cerundolo/T. Etcheverry Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Followed By
L. Broady/B. Harris (WC) Vs A. Krajicek/M. McDonald
Followed By
M. Ebden/J. Peers (3) Vs N. Mahut/S. Mansouri
by ponchi101 It's called DATA.
by ti-amie Wed, 26 June, 2024 (Day 5)
Centre Court
Starts At 11:00
M. Kecmanovic Vs (4) S. Baez
Not Before 12:30
J. Ostapenko (5) Vs K. Boulter
Followed By
E. Raducanu (WC) Vs J. Pegula (2)
Not Before 16:00
T. Fritz (1) Vs T. Seyboth Wild
Not Before 17:30
L. Glasspool/J. Rojer Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Court 1
Starts At 11:00
M. Keys (4) Vs A. Kalinina (Q)
Not Before 12:30
E. Ruusuvuori Vs (Q) J. Shang
Followed By
A. Bublik (3) Vs (LL) A. Vukic
Not Before 16:00
E. Mertens Vs J. Paolini (3)
Not Before 17:30
M. Ebden/J. Peers (3) Vs A. Krajicek/M. McDonald
Court 2
Starts At 11:00
B. Harris (WC) Vs (LL) C. Broom
Followed By
S. Kenin Vs H. Dart (WC)
Followed By
D. Kasatkina (6) Vs Y. Yuan
Followed By
M. Purcell/E. Ruusuvuori Vs H. Heliovaara/H. Patten
Court 4
Starts At 11:00
K. Muchova Vs M. Linette (Q)
Followed By
A. Krueger (Q) Vs L. Fernandez
Followed By
G. Dabrowski/E. Routliffe (1) Vs H. Guo/X. Jiang
Followed By
A. Muhammad/A. Sutjiadi Vs C. Bucsa/M. Ninomiya
Followed By
L. Kichenok/J. Ostapenko Vs (2) B. Krejcikova/L. Siegemund
Court 5
Starts At 11:00
Y. Nishioka (Q) Vs M. Giron
Not Before 12:30
L. Sonego Vs (Q) M. Purcell
Followed By
G. Hussey (LL) Vs F. Cobolli
Followed By
S. Baez/M. Navone Vs (4) N. Skupski/M. Venus
by ti-amie Thu, 27 June, 2024 (Day 6)
Centre Court
Starts At 11:00
F. Cobolli Vs (WC) B. Harris
Not Before 12:30
K. Boulter Vs J. Paolini (3)
Followed By
D. Kasatkina (6) Vs E. Raducanu (WC)
Not Before 16:00
T. Fritz (1) Vs (Q) J. Shang
Court 1
Starts At 11:00
H. Dart (WC) Vs L. Fernandez
Not Before 12:30
M. Purcell (Q) Vs M. Kecmanovic
Followed By
A. Vukic (LL) Vs (Q) Y. Nishioka
Not Before 16:00
M. Keys (4) Vs K. Muchova
Court 2
Starts At 13:00
N. Skupski/M. Venus (4) Vs (2) M. Arevalo/M. Pavic
Followed By
H. Heliovaara/H. Patten Vs (3) M. Ebden/J. Peers
Followed By
S. Hsieh/S. Stephens Vs H. Dart/M. Lumsden
by ti-amie Raducanu beat Pegula 4-6, 7-6(6), 7-5. Has Pegula gotten the most she could out of her game?
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meganfernandez ti-amie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:20 am
Raducanu beat Pegula 4-6, 7-6(6), 7-5. Has Pegula gotten the most she could out of her game?
I think nearly every WTA player could have a better serve, so until she develops a serve as a weapon, no.
by ashkor87 Not a real surprise. raducanu is a major champion..she is simply a player of a higher class than Pegula ..great to have them both back, though..both are good for the game
by ashkor87 Keys vs Muchova today! I was actually at Eastbourne yesterday, couldn't get to see the tennis though.
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meganfernandez ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:35 am
Keys vs Muchova today! I was actually at Eastbourne yesterday, couldn't get to see the tennis though.
Was the town as cute as they say?
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:56 am
Not a real surprise. raducanu is a major champion..she is simply a player of a higher class than Pegula ..great to have them both back, though..both are good for the game
Pegula just won a tournament last week. She is consciously or subconsciously maybe decided that she had enough preparation for Wimbledon. Raducanu did not do anything of note besides her USO run. Textbook definition of a fluke (until/unless she proves otherwise). IMO putting Raducanu to a higher class than Pegula has no ground. I wouldn't even put her in the same class: Pegula's career win-loss percentage is 65%. Raducanu's - 53%.
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meganfernandez mick1303 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:42 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:56 am
Not a real surprise. raducanu is a major champion..she is simply a player of a higher class than Pegula ..great to have them both back, though..both are good for the game
Pegula just won a tournament last week. She is consciously or subconsciously maybe decided that she had enough preparation for Wimbledon. Raducanu did not do anything of note besides her USO run. Textbook definition of a fluke (until/unless she proves otherwise). IMO putting Raducanu to a higher class than Pegula has no ground. I wouldn't even put her in the same class: Pegula's career win-loss percentage is 65%. Raducanu's - 53%.
It was a very close match, too. Pegula should have won, up a set and a break at 3-1. Had match point in the second set. She needs to close matches better.
by ashkor87 Class is to be seen by how good the player is at her best..on average, all players are around 50% probably ...Raducanu winning the USO was not a fluke, neither was Osaka, nor Andreescu nor Sloane...all of them won by playing extraordinarily well over 7 rounds .
As for Pegula, she is a very good player but never a great player..on the whole, a bit over-rated, specially by the American media ..
by jazzyg Pegula was a few points away from beating Vondrousova at Wimbledon last year, but I guess because she did not win those points, she is not in the same class as Vondrousova. She was coming off a tournament title when she played Raducanu yesterday and was mentally fried in what was honestly a poorly played match by both of them. Gleaning anything from that result is the height of absurdity, although I agree Pegula still has something to prove against the truly elite players (Raducanu at this stage of her comeback is not one of them even though I 100-percent agree her U.S. Open title was no fluke).
On another note that probably only interests me, Vukic came back from 5-2 in the third-set tiebreak to beat Nishioka in the men's quarters after losing in straight sets to him in qualifying and getting in the draw as a lucky loser. I actually think Vukic will win the tournament because Fritz has been garbage on grass last year and this and the bottom half of the draw has a qualifier and a wild card in the semis.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:49 pm
Class is to be seen by how good the player is at her best..on average, all players are around 50% probably ...Raducanu winning the USO was not a fluke, neither was Osaka, nor Andreescu nor Sloane...all of them won by playing extraordinarily well over 7 rounds .
As for Pegula, she is a very good player but never a great player..on the whole, a bit over-rated, specially by the American media ..
At their best result. If you go by that process of selection, Goran is/was better than Ferrer, Tsonga and every other player that never won a slam.
Goran was damn good, but to grant him such status just because one slam favored his huge serve (at the time) is a bit extreme, for me.
And the definition of a fluke is precisely that you won 7 matches in a row during two weeks (Emma won 10 in three). Majoli was a fluke, Schiavone was a fluke, Penetta was a fluke, Tommy Johansson was a fluke and Gaston Gaudio was a fluke. They never did anything of relevance other than their specific two weeks.
by ashkor87 Paolini just beat Boulter in straight sets ..do people here still think she won't be a force at Wimbledon?!
by ponchi101 Boulter retired from her match from last week's tournament, so i jury can't be ruled out.
Maybe you are seeing too much in just one single match.
by jazzyg Ponch, you make a good point, particularly about Ivanisevic, but what I meant to say was it was no fluke within that tournament for Raducano. She won 10 straight matches in straight sets and was never challenged in any of them, something none of the other one-slam wonders can say. That counts for something in my book.
As for Gaudio, you've touched a sore spot that only Patrick McEnroe and I seem to share. Gaudio was a terminally underrated talent who would have done a lot more in his career at Roland Garros if he were not such a headcase. His win against Coria was a fluke because Coria was on another level than anyone else at the time and simply choked, but Gaudio should have been a contender for several years with his game on clay and was a legitimate slam winner. The next year, though, he walked up to Ferrer during their very close fourth-round match and told Ferrer that Ferrer was going to win, which ultimately happened in five sets. Strange cat.
Majoli, Schiavone and Johansson's wins were one offs out of nowhere for me, but not Gaudio, who beat Nadal the first three times they played, never losing more than three games in the sets he won, and he even took him to three sets in their last two meetings after Nadal had truly become Nadal.
Pennetta I'd put in a different category, too, because she reached the U.S. Open semis three times, but definitely her career did not indicate a slam title was possible.
by jazzyg The wind was brutal during that match, rewarding Paolini's footwork and hurting Boulter because her movement is not very good, so yes, I totally do not expect Paolini to be a significant factor at Wimbledon.
Watching matches matters.
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ashkor87 meganfernandez wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:28 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:35 am
Keys vs Muchova today! I was actually at Eastbourne yesterday, couldn't get to see the tennis though.
Was the town as cute as they say?
Oh, like any other seaside town but the white cliffs of Dover are amazing!
by ashkor87 Maybe so but isn't it a bit premature to write off Raducanu? As for Goran, certainly he was better than Ferrer...why would you think otherwise?
by ponchi101 Ferru vs Goran. Ferru's numbers first.
Carrer titles: 27/22
Career high: 3/2
Career record: 734-377 (66.1%) / 599-333(64.3%)
Slams best (AU, RG, W, USO): SF, F, QF, SF / QF, QF, W, SF
DC,s (when it mattered): 3, 0.
And the imponderable: Ferru was one of the gutsiest competitors ever. Goran, at times, let the pressure rattle him (1992 Wimby final, 4-5 in the fifth, and he served 2 DF's).
So, no. Goran was not clearly better than Ferrer. At the very least it is debatable. Put Goran and Ferru on grass, and I give Ferru two pesetas of a chance. At RG, I will bet my house on Ferru. On hards... a very interesting match.
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ashkor87 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:50 pm
Ferru vs Goran. Ferru's numbers first.
Carrer titles: 27/22
Career high: 3/2
Career record: 734-377 (66.1%) / 599-333(64.3%)
Slams best (AU, RG, W, USO): SF, F, QF, SF / QF, QF, W, SF
DC,s (when it mattered): 3, 0.
And the imponderable: Ferru was one of the gutsiest competitors ever. Goran, at times, let the pressure rattle him (1992 Wimby final, 4-5 in the fifth, and he served 2 DF's).
So, no. Goran was not clearly better than Ferrer. At the very least it is debatable. Put Goran and Ferru on grass, and I give Ferru two pesetas of a chance. At RG, I will bet my house on Ferru. On hards... a very interesting match.
Why quote numbers to a non-believer?!
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JTContinental ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:02 pm
Paolini just beat Boulter in straight sets ..do people here still think she won't be a force at Wimbledon?!
Yes
It will take more than a win over a third tier British player to convince me
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:19 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:50 pm
Ferru vs Goran. Ferru's numbers first.
Carrer titles: 27/22
Career high: 3/2
Career record: 734-377 (66.1%) / 599-333(64.3%)
Slams best (AU, RG, W, USO): SF, F, QF, SF / QF, QF, W, SF
DC,s (when it mattered): 3, 0.
And the imponderable: Ferru was one of the gutsiest competitors ever. Goran, at times, let the pressure rattle him (1992 Wimby final, 4-5 in the fifth, and he served 2 DF's).
So, no. Goran was not clearly better than Ferrer. At the very least it is debatable. Put Goran and Ferru on grass, and I give Ferru two pesetas of a chance. At RG, I will bet my house on Ferru. On hards... a very interesting match.
Why quote numbers to a non-believer?!
Because if you don't believe the data, then the other person is not at fault.
by ti-amie Fri, 28 June, 2024 (Day 7)
Centre Court
Starts At 11:00
L. Fernandez Vs M. Keys (4)
Followed By
J. Paolini (3) Vs D. Kasatkina (6)
Not Before 14:00
M. Purcell (Q) Vs (WC) B. Harris
Followed By
T. Fritz (1) Vs (LL) A. Vukic
Court 1
Starts At 11:00
G. Dabrowski/E. Routliffe (1) Vs C. Bucsa/M. Ninomiya
Followed By
H. Dart GBR/M. Lumsden GBR Vs L. Kichenok/J. Ostapenko
Not Before 14:00
F
M. Ebden/J. Peers (3) Vs (4) N. Skupski/M. Venus
by ti-amie Wait Muchova didn't even take the court against Keys? What?
Tennis Weekly Podcast
@tennisweeklypod
Karolina Muchova quote: “It was my first tournament back after a while and nobody knew what to expect or how my body would react. Today I woke up and when I tried to warm up the body and the wrist it was a little stiff. I’m in touch with my medical team back in Prague and they recommended that I did not risk it with Wimbledon around the corner...."
Karolina Muchova quote continued "...Even though I really love playing in Eastbourne and I felt great on the court here, unfortunately I had to pull out. I really, really loved it here. The grounds are packed and everyone was so nice and supportive, telling me welcome back, so that makes it even more sad for me that I cannot go out and play for them. It’s early in my comeback and I just don’t want to rush it."
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:49 pm
Class is to be seen by how good the player is at her best..on average, all players are around 50% probably ...Raducanu winning the USO was not a fluke, neither was Osaka, nor Andreescu nor Sloane...all of them won by playing extraordinarily well over 7 rounds .
As for Pegula, she is a very good player but never a great player..on the whole, a bit over-rated, specially by the American media ..
Given that in each tennis match there is one winner and one loser, it is not the revelation that on average tour winning percentage is 50%. Your stance that class is determined by how good the player is at his best is an opinion. I happen to have different opinion, because my stance is that the larger is the sample of data - the more precise estimation it gives. So the deviation from the mean, taken over the career for me is the most important number. 65% means that generally Pegula wins two matches out of each three. 53% for Raducanu means that she is just a smidgen better than having a loss for each win (losing in the 2nd round). I can't ignore such difference. All the players you mentioned have other high points in their careers. Andreescu won Indian Wells and Canadian Open - those are very big wins. Sloane reached the final of Roland Garros. You can't call player's run to slam final a fluke, if she made another one. Raducanu doesn't have ANYTHING ELSE.
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mick1303 jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:33 pm
Ponch, you make a good point, particularly about Ivanisevic, but what I meant to say was it was no fluke within that tournament for Raducano. She won 10 straight matches in straight sets and was never challenged in any of them, something none of the other one-slam wonders can say. That counts for something in my book.
As for Gaudio, you've touched a sore spot that only Patrick McEnroe and I seem to share. Gaudio was a terminally underrated talent who would have done a lot more in his career at Roland Garros if he were not such a headcase. His win against Coria was a fluke because Coria was on another level than anyone else at the time and simply choked, but Gaudio should have been a contender for several years with his game on clay and was a legitimate slam winner. The next year, though, he walked up to Ferrer during their very close fourth-round match and told Ferrer that Ferrer was going to win, which ultimately happened in five sets. Strange cat.
Majoli, Schiavone and Johansson's wins were one offs out of nowhere for me, but not Gaudio, who beat Nadal the first three times they played, never losing more than three games in the sets he won, and he even took him to three sets in their last two meetings after Nadal had truly become Nadal.
Pennetta I'd put in a different category, too, because she reached the U.S. Open semis three times, but definitely her career did not indicate a slam title was possible.
We've seen countless times how the "draw opens up". One player does the heavy lifting, eliminating favorites in hard-fought matches, while other rips the reward. Vinci beating Serena and then having nothing left for Pennetta. This list is long. In this particular case Leyla Fernandez eliminated more favorites, clearing the path for Raducanu.
by ashkor87 Yes, but winning 2 matches out of 3 is not going to win you a major..re Raducanu, I believe she will win more...but yes, the definition of class is subjective...others may have other definitions
by ashkor87 Sorry not to be able to copy and quote, I am in a train and my skills on mobile are not great...
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patrick mick1303 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:44 am
jazzyg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:33 pm
Ponch, you make a good point, particularly about Ivanisevic, but what I meant to say was it was no fluke within that tournament for Raducano. She won 10 straight matches in straight sets and was never challenged in any of them, something none of the other one-slam wonders can say. That counts for something in my book.
As for Gaudio, you've touched a sore spot that only Patrick McEnroe and I seem to share. Gaudio was a terminally underrated talent who would have done a lot more in his career at Roland Garros if he were not such a headcase. His win against Coria was a fluke because Coria was on another level than anyone else at the time and simply choked, but Gaudio should have been a contender for several years with his game on clay and was a legitimate slam winner. The next year, though, he walked up to Ferrer during their very close fourth-round match and told Ferrer that Ferrer was going to win, which ultimately happened in five sets. Strange cat.
Majoli, Schiavone and Johansson's wins were one offs out of nowhere for me, but not Gaudio, who beat Nadal the first three times they played, never losing more than three games in the sets he won, and he even took him to three sets in their last two meetings after Nadal had truly become Nadal.
Pennetta I'd put in a different category, too, because she reached the U.S. Open semis three times, but definitely her career did not indicate a slam title was possible.
We've seen countless times how the "draw opens up". One player does the heavy lifting, eliminating favorites in hard-fought matches, while other rips the reward. Vinci beating Serena and then having nothing left for Pennetta. This list is long. In this particular case Leyla Fernandez eliminated more favorites, clearing the path for Raducanu.
Stosur for Schiavone at French Open
Lisicki for Bartoli at Wimbledon
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Fastbackss ashkor87 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:28 am
Yes, but winning 2 matches out of 3 is not going to win you a major..re Raducanu, I believe she will win more...but yes, the definition of class is subjective...others may have other definitions
How many slams/1000's (as of last year) did Pegula make the quarters or deeper in a row?
I think she also went the whole year without losing a match where she won the first set.
I can't agree with saying she's not as good as Emma because Emma put it together for a single week whilst not delivering elsewhere.
by mick1303 It is hard to compare Goran with Ferrer, because Goran's resume is heavily tilted towards one surface. Also he was a bit earlier, when the difference between surfaces was much wider. But despite this their average numbers are very close. Ferrer is slightly higher, but not by much. But given that GS titles and runs to GS finals remain in memory of a general public while boring stats like percentages do not, Goran usually is considered more accomplished. In my weighted ranking for 1968-2023 Ferrer is at #29, while Goran is at #35.
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jazzyg mick1303 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:44 am
We've seen countless times how the "draw opens up". One player does the heavy lifting, eliminating favorites in hard-fought matches, while other rips the reward. Vinci beating Serena and then having nothing left for Pennetta. This list is long. In this particular case Leyla Fernandez eliminated more favorites, clearing the path for Raducanu.
But Pennetta was a straight-up better player than Vinci. She would have beaten her whether she had anything left or not. I believe Raducanu is a better player than Fernandez, although that is still to be determined.
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Suliso jazzyg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:59 pm
But Pennetta was a straight-up better player than Vinci. She would have beaten her whether she had anything left or not. I believe Raducanu is a better player than Fernandez, although that is still to be determined.
Yes, but 99.9% of the time merely being better than Vinci doesn't win you any Slams.
by ti-amie Sat, 29 June, 2024 (Day 8)
Centre Court
Followed By
Wightman Cup Centenary Celebration
Not Before 12:30
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L. Fernandez Vs D. Kasatkina (6)
Not Before 14:30
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T. Fritz (1) Vs (Q) M. Purcell
Followed By
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G. Dabrowski/E. Routliffe (1) Vs L. Kichenok/J. Ostapenko
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mick1303 jazzyg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:59 pm
mick1303 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:44 am
We've seen countless times how the "draw opens up". One player does the heavy lifting, eliminating favorites in hard-fought matches, while other rips the reward. Vinci beating Serena and then having nothing left for Pennetta. This list is long. In this particular case Leyla Fernandez eliminated more favorites, clearing the path for Raducanu.
But Pennetta was a straight-up better player than Vinci. She would have beaten her whether she had anything left or not. I believe Raducanu is a better player than Fernandez, although that is still to be determined.
Raducanu: besides her US Open, never reached any finals, let alone won them.
Fernandez - has 3 WTA titles in singles (plus Fed Cup title, that I also count).
Raducanu win percentage - 53.09
Fernandez win percentage - 57.65
The 2nd best result in slams:
Raducanu - R16
Fernandez - QF
I see a clear separation here in favor of Fernandez.
by ashkor87 I like Fernandez too..
by ashkor87 To be fair, Raducanu has been out with injuries a lot more than Fernandez has..
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mick1303 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:48 am
To be fair, Raducanu has been out with injuries a lot more than Fernandez has..
Being fit is a part of being good. If you lag behind because of injuries, it does not induce any asterisks on your competitors.
by mick1303 Unless your fan stabs your opponent with a knife. This kind of "injury" definitely warrants an asterisk.
by Fastbackss The 2nd set of the women's final has been interesting.
Dasha won the first set. Up a break early in 2nd. Midway through Leylah broke back to get on serve. Then immediately broke again. She didn't consolidate by losing a game on her serve at love. Still on serve at 5-4.
(And Dasha promptly broke her at love again to seal the deal. There are few can count on more in the week before a slam. Knew I should have laid some quid on her. )
by jazzyg Fritz played a heck of a lot better this week than in any of his grass court tournaments last year or this. He did not beat anyone of consequence and went two straight matches without breaking his opponent, but he was serving huge and controlling the baseline rallies, the latter of which he did not do at all a year ago. He will make the second week of Wimbledon this year and will have a shot against Draper or Zverev in the fourth round, although I would not pick him.
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ponchi101 ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:48 am
To be fair, Raducanu has been out with injuries a lot more than Fernandez has..
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:03 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:48 am
To be fair, Raducanu has been out with injuries a lot more than Fernandez has..
Being fit is a part of being good. If you lag behind because of injuries, it does not induce any asterisks on your competitors.
If it hadn't been because of injuries, Richard Krajicek would have won at least 4 slams. He was that good. But he also got injured that frequently.
Part of the game.
About asterisks: Maureen Connolly. The greatest "what could have been".
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mick1303 ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:35 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:48 am
To be fair, Raducanu has been out with injuries a lot more than Fernandez has..
mick1303 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:03 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:48 am
To be fair, Raducanu has been out with injuries a lot more than Fernandez has..
Being fit is a part of being good. If you lag behind because of injuries, it does not induce any asterisks on your competitors.
If it hadn't been because of injuries, Richard Krajicek would have won at least 4 slams. He was that good. But he also got injured that frequently.
Part of the game.
About asterisks: Maureen Connolly. The greatest "what could have been".
You still will not put Krajicek ahead of someone who won more (i.e. Kafelnikov) because of "what if". What happened beats what could've happened each and every time.
by ponchi101 Completely agree. I noticed I missed a HADN'T in my post.
"What if such and such" never counts, when talking about the past.
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Jeff from TX ponchi101 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:00 pm
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:49 pm
Class is to be seen by how good the player is at her best..on average, all players are around 50% probably ...Raducanu winning the USO was not a fluke, neither was Osaka, nor Andreescu nor Sloane...all of them won by playing extraordinarily well over 7 rounds .
As for Pegula, she is a very good player but never a great player..on the whole, a bit over-rated, specially by the American media ..
At their best result. If you go by that process of selection, Goran is/was better than Ferrer, Tsonga and every other player that never won a slam.
Goran was damn good, but to grant him such status just because one slam favored his huge serve (at the time) is a bit extreme, for me.
And the definition of a fluke is precisely that you won 7 matches in a row during two weeks (Emma won 10 in three). Majoli was a fluke, Schiavone was a fluke, Penetta was a fluke, Tommy Johansson was a fluke and Gaston Gaudio was a fluke. They never did anything of relevance other than their specific two weeks.
I'm a little late to the party, and not a particular Schiavone fan, but in fairness to her, she did make the final at the FO the year following her title run. And she did make the quarters of every other slam. Not, perhaps, a great player, but slightly better than a 1 hit wonder who completely disappeared after her title run in 2010.
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skatingfan Jeff from TX wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:03 pm
I'm a little late to the party, and not a particular Schiavone fan, but in fairness to her, she did make the final at the FO the year following her title run. And she did make the quarters of every other slam. Not, perhaps, a great player, but slightly better than a 1 hit wonder who completely disappeared after her title run in 2010.
Schiavone is one of those players who took advantage of an open draw to make a final, and ended up winning, and instead of shying away from their new status as a Grand Slam Champion she embraced the situation, and took advantage of better draws, and other perks that higher ranked players received.