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How much are we talking in the class action suit? $1BN?

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:20 pm How much are we talking in the class action suit? $1BN?

Why so low?

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:19 pm This is so depressing

People don't want to hear it, but also the right call. The national news has done an incredibly poor job of covering this case. They either don't know the particulars or aren't interested in going into them because it doesn't fit the narrative they chose.

He should've never gotten the guilty verdict to start with. I was shocked when it came down. I was shocked when the first appellate court didn't overturn it. This is the first time I haven't been shocked because this is the first time the actual rule of law was followed in this case.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:48 pm

This is correct from Barb up until the last line. Again, a misunderstanding of what happened because it fits the narrative because he's a jackass now and associated with Trump. That was not what he was back then. Unfortunately, the fallout from all of this kind of helped him get to be as bitter and angry as he is now. Bruce Castor is not to blame here in the way they keep saying. If Bruce Castor doesn't make the deal not to prosecute, then she would never have gotten her civil settlement, which was what she wanted at that time. Weak doesn't even begin to describe her case, people pretending otherwise, again, don't seem to know the actual details of this case.

It was a completely different DA who wanted to make a public show with this prosecution who torched Due Process, not Bruce Castor.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:19 pm This is so depressing

This is further proof (as if we need more proof) that the law is indeed an ass.
"Hey - tell us that you're guilty, and we promise to not use your confession against you to convict you of your crime."
What kind of idiocy is this?

None of us was in the room with Cosby when the claimed rape took place... but everything I've heard, seen, and read on the subject points to him being guilty as sin. And, though I haven't been privy to hearing him actually say it, he has apparently even admitted to doing it (drugging women and then doing sexual things to them).

If you're guilty, you're guilty - period. Especially so when you admit it. From that point, NOTHING else should matter - certainly not some fancy manipulation of laws.
Laws are supposed to be there to ensure fairness and justice is accomplished, not to twist and manipulate and abuse so that a guilty person can get away with their crimes.

The 'justice system' should be mighty ashamed of itself.

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The law also has to work in logical ways.
Assume you are facing 35 years in prison. You are scared of that. Somebody tells you that if you confess, you will not go. Some people, especially those that have traditionally been less in the eye of the law, may say yes just to stop the process, even if you are really not guilty.

"Good" has to play by the rules. If not, it pretty soon slides into bad.

Yeah - "If you confess and admit your guilt, you will not face any punishment."
Sure.

How can anyone call a system which allows this kind of manipulation and abuse a 'justice system'?
It's disgusting.

If you're guilty, you're guilty - period. Especially when you admit your guilt. It's not complicated.
And you serve the punishment that your crime deserves.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:58 pm The law also has to work in logical ways.
Assume you are facing 35 years in prison. You are scared of that. Somebody tells you that if you confess, you will not go. Some people, especially those that have traditionally been less in the eye of the law, may say yes just to stop the process, even if you are really not guilty.

"Good" has to play by the rules. If not, it pretty soon slides into bad.

Right. This was a rather obvious due process violation that people aren't happy with because they don't like the end result. But it's actually the exact same due process violation these same people that are upset tend to want to be held paramount, because if it is not, the people we typically would advocate for are doomed.

If anyone is under the impression that the rights in this country have been created, upheld, or reinforced protecting the best of society, then I've got some unfortunate news for you.

One of my favorite quotes - Principles only mean something if you stick by them when they're inconvenient. This isn't the result that feels right, but it is the correct result if you have any belief in the fundamentals of the US Constitution.

Due process rights were upheld today. And that's a very good thing even if you can't see that right now because of what that ruling means.

JazzNU wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:32 am

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:58 pm The law also has to work in logical ways.
Assume you are facing 35 years in prison. You are scared of that. Somebody tells you that if you confess, you will not go. Some people, especially those that have traditionally been less in the eye of the law, may say yes just to stop the process, even if you are really not guilty.

"Good" has to play by the rules. If not, it pretty soon slides into bad.

Right. This was a rather obvious due process violation that people aren't happy with because they don't like the end result. But it's actually the exact same due process violation these same people that are upset tend to want to be held paramount, because if it is not, the people we typically would advocate for are doomed.

If anyone is under the impression that the rights in this country have been created, upheld, or reinforced protecting the best of society, then I've got some unfortunate news for you.

One of my favorite quotes - Principles only mean something if you stick by them when they're inconvenient. This isn't the result that feels right, but it is the correct result if you have any belief in the fundamentals of the US Constitution.

Due process rights were upheld today. And that's a very good thing even if you can't see that right now because of what that ruling means.

From one of the "Sisters in Law" Barb McQuade

This is why many people hate lawyers.
The lawyer who is most manipulative 'wins'. It has nothing to do with what is right, or with truth, or with honesty - it's the side that can manipulate the system the most that 'wins'.
Because the system allows this abuse - and even encourages it.

And the system claims to be a system where 'justice shall prevail'.
What an absolute crock of dung that is.

Any result which allows a guilty person to escape punishment - or which punishes an innocent person - is a wrong result, and can never be justified.
Nothing else matters.
Nothing.

Deuce wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:38 am This is why many people hate lawyers.
The lawyer who is most manipulative 'wins'. It has nothing to do with what is right, or with truth, or with honesty - it's the side that can manipulate the system the most that 'wins'.
Because the system allows this abuse - and even encourages it.

And the system claims to be a system where 'justice shall prevail'.
What an absolute crock of dung that is.

Any result which allows a guilty person to escape punishment - or which punishes an innocent person - is a wrong result, and can never be justified.
Nothing else matters.
Nothing.

Someone made the point on the Bird App yesterday that this is the reason Cosby never showed remorse. His lawyers assured him the conviction would be overturned and he waited it out.

There are also those who think the timing of this is suspect and was meant to distract people from the Weisselberg case and the 1/6 Committee.

What pissed me off was hearing one of his lawyers play the race card after the release. The local all news station was airing it live. I turned it off.

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