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Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:31 pm
by ponchi101
I can see Tesla going down a bit. Somebody must have figured out that for a company that relies so much on the personality cult, the guy is no longer the environmental knight in shining armor but what he has always been. So, sales may dip a little.
But Amazon down -3%? That makes no sense, unless you are counting on a major economic crash that will not let people do their daily shopping for things they really don't need.

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:40 pm
by Suliso
Looking at short term stock valuation changes is simply stupid. There is no explaining such up and down moves. It has to be at least a year.

As for Tesla it is grossly overvalued as a car company. Investors are hoping (rationaly?) that it will be a dominant AI and robotics company.

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:20 pm
by Owendonovan
Suliso wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:40 pm Looking at short term stock valuation changes is simply stupid. There is no explaining such up and down moves. It has to be at least a year.

As for Tesla it is grossly overvalued as a car company. Investors are hoping (rationaly?) that it will be a dominant AI and robotics company.
I've seen a few instances of tesla's being vandalized with painting of male reproductive organs. Seems like this or something similar could catch on given how people feel about him.

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:44 am
by ti-amie
r/law

12 hr. ago
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Molly White -'Elon and Andreessen's Attacks on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau/FDIC are due to it preventing Crypto currency companies from having Bank accounts, these companies are flagged for high risk or Fraud, they claim this process "debanks" them for being "conservatives" '
LaserCondiment

11h ago
Crypto meshes with the political ideologies of the new far right, which Thiel, Musk and Vance are part of.

DOGE’s Millions: As Musk and Trump Gut Government, Their Ax-Cutting Agency Gets Cash Infusion From the article, in a paragraph about new DOGE members:

One of the names newly added to the tracker, Katherine Armstrong Loving, is the sibling of crypto executive Brian Armstrong, who runs the industry leader Coinbase. Coinbase donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration fund, and Armstrong met with Trump to discuss appointments to administration posts, according to The Wall Street Journal.

It's also why this propably happened: Coinbase Says S.E.C. Will Drop Crypto Lawsuit

But since we are talking political ideologies... Meet Curtis Yarvin, he's the connective tissue between those guys. What Yarvin wants: dark enlightenment based on anarcho capitalism

They want to replace government institutions by private corporations. Split up the country into city states that are run like corporations (gov-corp), governed by a monarch / CEO. No voting rights for the inhabitants, only the possibility to “vote” via “exit” by physically leaving.

Dark Enlightenment - European populism studies

Underground movement that wants to destroy democracy

Further reading: Peter Thiel JD Vance connection to Thiel

Paypal Mafia

Paypal's roots in Apartheid

Elon boosting far right politics

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:15 pm
by ponchi101
Getting really tempted to buy gold and stash it under the mattress.
No trust on currencies, no trust in banks. That will be a great moment.
(Not).

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:44 am
by ti-amie
The first quarter is on track for negative GDP growth, Atlanta Fed indicator says
Published Fri, Feb 28 2025 2:56 PM EST

Jeff Cox

Key Points
The Atlanta Fed’s GDPNow tracker of incoming data is indicating that gross domestic product is on pace to shrink by 1.5% for the first quarter.

While the tracker is volatile through the quarter and typically becomes more reliable much later in the quarter, it does coincide with some other indicators showing a growth slowdown.

Early economic data for the first quarter of 2025 is pointing towards negative growth, according to a Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta measure.

The central bank’s GDPNow tracker of incoming metrics is indicating that gross domestic product is on pace to shrink by 1.5% for the January-through-March period, according to an update posted Friday morning.

Fresh indicators showed that consumers spent less than expected during the inclement January weather and exports were weak, which led to the downgrade. Prior to Friday’s consumer spending report, GDPNow had been indicating growth of 2.3% for the quarter.

While the tracker is volatile and typically becomes a more reliable measure much later in the quarter, it does coincide with some other measures that are showing a growth slowdown.

“This is sobering notwithstanding the inherent volatility of the very high frequency ‘nowcast’ maintained by the Atlanta Fed,” Mohamed El-Erian, chief economic advisor at Allianz and president of Queens’ College Cambridge, said in a post on social media site X.

The gauge had pointed to GDP gains as high as 3.9% in early February but has been on a decline since then as additional data has come in.

On Friday, the Commerce Department reported that personal spending fell 0.2% in January, missing the Dow Jones estimate for a 0.1% increase. Adjusted for inflation, spending fell 0.5%. As a result, that shaved a full percentage point off the expected contribution to GDP, down to 1.3%, according to the GDPNow calculation.

At the same time, the contribution of net exports tumbled from -0.41 percentage point to -3.7 percentage points.

The combination of data and its impact on the growth outlook comes with surveys showing decreasing consumer confidence and worries about rising inflation. The Commerce Department also reported that an inflation measure the Fed favors moved lower during the month, as the core personal consumption expenditures price index fell to 2.6%, down 0.3 percentage point from December.

The week also brought some concerning news out of the labor market as initial unemployment claims hit a level that was last higher in early October.

In addition, the bond market also has been pricing in slower growth. The 3-month Treasury yield this week moved above the 10-year note, a historically reliable indicator of a recession at the 12- to 18-month horizon.

The economic and policy uncertainty has led to a bumpy start to the year for the stock market. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is up 2% in 2025 amid wild fluctuations in a volatile news cycle.

“My sense is that the complacency that has crept into asset markets is about to be disrupted,” said Joseph Brusuelas, chief U.S. economist at RSM.

Markets increasingly believe the Fed will respond to the slowdown with multiple interest rate cuts this year. Traders in the fed funds futures market increased the odds of a quarter percentage point reduction in June to about 80% as of Friday afternoon and raised the possibility of three such cuts total this year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/28/the-fir ... says-.html

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:37 pm
by ti-amie
Trump’s ‘Gold Card’ Set Off Panic in an Unexpected Place: Real Estate
The president initially said his $5 million green card alternative would replace a visa for foreign investors that has become a favorite financing tool of major developers.


By Sarah Kessler
March 1, 2025
Updated 3:06 p.m. ET
President Trump’s plan to sell green cards for $5 million each, a program he is calling a “gold card,” has largely been met with a shrug. It’s not clear exactly how the program would work, if it’s legal or how many potential immigrants would really pay $5 million for a path to U.S. citizenship.

But in a niche area of dealmaking, alarm bells are blaring.

Howard Lutnick, the commerce secretary, said on Tuesday that the plan to effectively sell green cards would replace the EB-5 investor visa, a favorite source of funding for major real estate projects.

Massive developments — from New York’s Hudson Yards to the San Francisco Shipyard to, yes, Trump Plaza in Jersey City — have been financed in part by overseas investors applying to the EB-5 program, which grants permanent U.S. residence. Such investors are motivated by a green card, not by maximizing returns, and so for developers their capital tends to be less expensive than borrowing money from a typical commercial lender.

The real estate company owned by the family of Trump’s son-in-law, Kushner Capital, drew scrutiny for its use of EB-5 funding during the first Trump administration.

Overall, the EB-5 program does not bring in a lot of money — about $4 billion last year in the context of the $28 trillion U.S. economy — but it represents a huge profit bump for a small but powerful political contingency: major real estate developers. They are not likely to see EB-5 killed without a fight.

“Cheap capital is the crack cocaine to the real estate industry and probably every other industry,” said Matt Gordon, the C.E.O. of E3iG, which advises both foreign investment-based visa applicants and U.S. companies seeking funding.

“They and their rather large political donations are going to be very motivated.”

Some background: EB-5 visas were established in 1990 to encourage investment in rural and economically depressed areas. Foreigners who invest either $800,000 or $1.05 million, creating at least 10 jobs, are eligible. Initially, that meant directly creating 10 jobs. Now most companies meet the requirement by showing the overall economy will gain 10 jobs as a result of each investor’s funding.

All sorts of companies can seek EB-5 investment — DealBook heard about pharmacies, hospitals, day care centers and manufacturing plants that raised money through the program — but the vast majority are real estate deals.

News of Trump’s gold card plan sent this ecosystem reeling. “Naturally the whole world is panicking,” said Ishaan Khanna, the president of the American Immigrant Investor Alliance, a group that lobbies on behalf of EB-5 investors. “As India and China woke up, my phone blew up.”

“Everybody I’m hearing from is like ‘rush’ — get in as much as you can, because who knows how long” the program will last in its current form, Gordon said, “On both the sponsor side and on the immigrant side.”

Developers who qualify for the program win big savings. For example: One project Gordon is working on, a $100 million 19-story apartment building, qualifies for about $35 million of EB-5 funding. Traditional mezzanine debt financing for such a project might come with an interest rate of 10 or 12 percent, Gordon said, but the developer will pay 5 to 7 percent for EB-5 funding. “You’re really cutting, you know, 30 to 50 percent of your cost of capital, on a rather significant portion of your capital,” he added.

On top of saving money, developers say the program has been crucial during periods like the financial crisis when other funding sources become prohibitively expensive or scarce.

Unsurprisingly, the real estate industry has been one of the EB-5 program’s most ardent defenders. The National Association of Realtors and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbied against a bill introduced in 2017 that would have terminated the program.

Such programs aren’t unusual. Seventy countries exchange permanent residency or citizenship for investments or donations, according to Kristin Surak, an associate professor at the London School of Economics who studies so-called golden visa and passport programs worldwide. In some countries, including Malta and Cyprus, the programs represent a significant part of the economy.

Proponents point to the jobs created. Critics say the EB-5 program falls short of its goal to stimulate investment in rural and distressed urban areas. Previous iterations allowed developers to gerrymander maps so that even densely populated and highly employed districts like Hudson Yards qualified for preferable terms. A 2022 law ended that practice and added new incentives to build in rural areas.

Would selling visas work better? Lutnick said on Wednesday that EB-5 projects “were often suspect, they didn’t really work out, there wasn’t any oversight of it.” It’s true that there have been horror stories: Two investors who raised $350 million from foreign investors for a massive development in Vermont, for example, were accused in 2016 of perpetrating the biggest fraud in the state’s history.

But according to a report from the Government Accountability Office that looked at pending petitions in 2021, less than 1 percent were found to be fraudulent or posed national security risks (about 3 percent were investigated). Additional safeguards were added in the 2022 law.

The gold card may have a different problem: A dearth of applicants. Participants in the EB-5 program expect to get their $1 million investment back at some point, whereas Trump’s plan requires a $5 million donation that isn’t returned.

The EB-5 program drew about 7,000 investments between April 1, 2022 to July 31, 2024, according to data compiled by the American Immigrant Investor Alliance. Even if the gold card comes with a tax benefit, why would a substantially larger group of foreigners — Trump said “maybe a million” — be willing to pay the much higher cost?

Many in the industry see Trump’s plan as unworkable. Trump would need congressional approval both to abolish a visa program that was created by law and to allocate visas for a new one. “This is unpredictable,” Khanna said. “No one truly knows where this is going.”

More than Trump’s recent announcement, which lacked specifics, many of the big players in the ecosystem — including the companies that put together the funds, the developers and the lawyers — are focused on what will happen in 2027, when the EB-5 program expires and needs to be renewed by Congress.

They’re betting on compromise. The players in such investments are hoping the gold card becomes an addition rather than a replacement.

The idea may already be breaking through: By Wednesday, Lutnick had changed how he described the gold card plan, saying it would “modify” the EB-5 program, but it was unclear what specifically would change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/01/busi ... =url-share

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:43 pm
by ti-amie
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The Stock Market Was One of Trump’s Favorite Talking Points. Not Lately.

Since his inauguration in January, President Trump has been relatively muted about the stock market. Investors are getting worried about an impending sell-off.

During his first term, President Trump regularly took credit for a booming stock market, citing soaring share prices as a measure of his success in office.

And after his election victory in November, he pointed to the market rise as a sign of optimism.

But since his inauguration in January, Mr. Trump has been relatively muted about stocks, even after the S&P 500 hit a record on Feb. 19.

The S&P 500 has since fallen almost every day, and the index is now lower than it was when Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Other indexes, including those more closely tied to the ebb and flow of the economy, have also fallen.

On Friday, the S&P 500 surged higher late in the day but remained lower for the week, its second consecutive week of losses for the first time since October. Other bullish reflections of Mr. Trump’s election have also faded, with Bitcoin tumbling roughly 20 percent over the past month.

While it is only less than two months into the new administration, the market is showing signs of weakness, as investors have become increasingly nervous about an impending sell-off. Consumer sentiment is souring and investors are growing weary over the cacophony of policy proposals emanating from Washington.

“The tariff rhetoric has become daily and extreme, sentiment is awful and trading is on edge,” said Andrew Brenner, head of international fixed income at National Alliance Securities.

Today’s market is fundamentally different than it was when Mr. Trump first entered the White House in early 2017.

For the two years preceding Mr. Trump’s first term, the S&P 500 had bumbled along. Stock and bond markets had grappled with the fallout of a domestic energy crisis as debt-laden oil companies had started going bankrupt.

Interest rates were roughly 4 percentage points lower than they are now, as the Federal Reserve tried to gently heat up the economy and revive tepid growth. As Mr. Trump unleashed tax cuts and promoted a pro-growth agenda, stocks were primed to rise.

“Highest stock market EVER,’’ Mr. Trump wrote in a social media post in July 2017.

But as Mr. Trump entered his second term, the stock market had already surged, with valuations at historic highs. The S&P 500 had risen more than 20 percent for two consecutive years — in 2023 and 2024 — for the first time since 1996. That means reaching new heights could prove harder, especially as the engine of the recent rally, big tech stocks, begins to sputter.

The market’s composition has also shifted since Mr. Trump’s first term.

The huge companies driving the A.I. boom have become so large that even small changes in their individual stock prices can move the entire S&P 500 index. That makes for a sometimes volatile market.

These stocks, known as the Magnificent Seven, together now account for roughly a third of the entire index by market value.

As these stocks’ share prices rose, they helped to lift the rest of the market. The risk is, as their prices fall, they become an anchor weighing the market down.

With competition among A.I pioneers intensifying, some of these marquee stocks have already lost their luster. Nvidia, which makes chips for A.I. companies, has fallen almost 10 percent since Mr. Trump’s inauguration. Of the S&P 500’s 11 sectors, tech is one of only two sectors that have declined so far this year

These moves have so far been largely unattributed to the new administration, illustrating the challenge facing Mr. Trump — and any president — seeking to engineer a buoyant stock market, especially if big tech continues to languish.

At a conference in Miami on Feb. 19, the day that the S&P 500 notched a record high, Mr. Trump said: “I think the stock market’s going to be great.”

In his speech, he exaggerated the gain made by the Dow Jones Industrial Average since the election, saying it had risen 10 percent, when it had risen less than 7 percent. The S&P 500 was up as much at 6.25 percent from the election to Feb. 19, but is now only 3 percent higher since Nov. 5.

Investors are notably nervous. While few foresee a full-blown recession, according to Bank of America’s latest survey of fund managers, many are wary of the market’s uncertain direction, especially given the potential for reciprocal tariffs to spark a trade war, upend the Federal Reserve’s fight with inflation and crimp economic growth.

Almost 90 percent of survey respondents said that stocks are overvalued. The CBOE Skew Index, which measures how much investors are girding for a sell-off by tracking trades in options markets that would buffer against a sudden plunge in the value of the S&P 500, reached its highest level ever on Feb. 18, the day before that index hit its record high.

It suggests that investors are nervous that the market could soon tumble. And that could be why the market is no longer the barometer of success that Mr. Trump once claimed it was.
The market’s composition has also shifted since Mr. Trump’s first term.

The huge companies driving the A.I. boom have become so large that even small changes in their individual stock prices can move the entire S&P 500 index. That makes for a sometimes volatile market.

These stocks, known as the Magnificent Seven, together now account for roughly a third of the entire index by market value.

As these stocks’ share prices rose, they helped to lift the rest of the market. The risk is, as their prices fall, they become an anchor weighing the market down.

With competition among A.I pioneers intensifying, some of these marquee stocks have already lost their luster. Nvidia, which makes chips for A.I. companies, has fallen almost 10 percent since Mr. Trump’s inauguration. Of the S&P 500’s 11 sectors, tech is one of only two sectors that have declined so far this year

These moves have so far been largely unattributed to the new administration, illustrating the challenge facing Mr. Trump — and any president — seeking to engineer a buoyant stock market, especially if big tech continues to languish.

At a conference in Miami on Feb. 19, the day that the S&P 500 notched a record high, Mr. Trump said: “I think the stock market’s going to be great.”

In his speech, he exaggerated the gain made by the Dow Jones Industrial Average since the election, saying it had risen 10 percent, when it had risen less than 7 percent. The S&P 500 was up as much at 6.25 percent from the election to Feb. 19, but is now only 3 percent higher since Nov. 5.

Investors are notably nervous. While few foresee a full-blown recession, according to Bank of America’s latest survey of fund managers, many are wary of the market’s uncertain direction, especially given the potential for reciprocal tariffs to spark a trade war, upend the Federal Reserve’s fight with inflation and crimp economic growth.

Almost 90 percent of survey respondents said that stocks are overvalued. The CBOE Skew Index, which measures how much investors are girding for a sell-off by tracking trades in options markets that would buffer against a sudden plunge in the value of the S&P 500, reached its highest level ever on Feb. 18, the day before that index hit its record high.

It suggests that investors are nervous that the market could soon tumble. And that could be why the market is no longer the barometer of success that Mr. Trump once claimed it was.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... arket.html

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2025 12:13 pm
by ponchi101
It will be another casino he will bankrupt.

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:32 pm
by ti-amie
r/technology

9 hr. ago
chrisdh79


Canada to Cut Off Electricity to US States: 'Need to Feel the Pain'

From the article: Ontario Premier Doug Ford said on Monday that he would block energy exports to the United States "with a smile" if U.S. President Donald Trump moved ahead with plans for a 25 percent tariff on Canadian goods.

Trump announced on Monday that tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China would go into effect on Tuesday.

Newsweek contacted Ford's office for comment via email outside regular office hours.

In response to Trump's tariffs, Ottawa and Beijing have announced plans to retaliate, sparking fears of a global trade war.

The U.S. imposed tariffs of 25 percent of Canadian goods—except for energy products, which face a 10 percent tariff. It also put a 25 percent tariff on imports from Mexico and an additional 10 percent on Chinese goods.

According to figures from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, Canada is by some margin the largest source of American energy imports, with 59 percent of all crude oil imported into the U.S. in 2019 coming from the country. So energy imports give Canada a powerful lever to hit back at the Trump administration in a way that is likely to raise prices and stoke inflation in the U.S.

Speaking at a mining convention on Monday, Ford, a progressive conservative, addressed the Trump administration directly.

"I don't start a tariff war, but we're going to win this tariff war," he said, adding, "If they want to try to annihilate Ontario, I will do everything—including cut off their energy with a smile on my face, and I'm encouraging every other province to do the same."

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:39 pm
by ti-amie
Carl Quintanilla
‪@carlquintanilla.bsky.social‬

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JPM DESK: “.. tariffs of these magnitude will drive both Canada and Mexico into a recession. Look for US GDP growth expectations to crater and for earnings revisions to be materially lower, forcing a re-think of year-end forecasts. .. we are changing our view to Tactically Bearish.” $SPX
March 4, 2025 at 6:21 AM

JPM = JP Morgan

This is how financial folks tell their investors to fasten their seat belts, lace up their sneakers, and head for the hills.

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:40 pm
by ti-amie

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:41 pm
by ti-amie
Oliver Alexander
‪@oalexanderdk.bsky.social‬

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Being able to drop a quarterly US GDP prediction by 5.1% from +2.3% to -2.8% in a single week is one of the most impressive economic developments in the history of the world.

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Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:54 pm
by ti-amie
Wall Street worries Trump tariffs could wreck the souring economy
All three major U.S. markets sank before regaining lost ground on fears a trade war will hobble the world’s largest economy and boost inflation.

March 4, 2025

By David J. Lynch, Jeff Stein and Evan Halper

All three major U.S. markets sank at the opening bell before regaining lost ground. The Dow Jones Industrial Average, the worst performer, lost more than 1.5 percent and has surrendered nearly 1,400 points in the past two days.

(...)

Late in the day, the fog of uncertainty enveloping the president’s intentions thickened when Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said Trump on Wednesday would “probably” lower the tariffs on Canada and Mexico that he had announced just 24 hours earlier.

“The chaos that has ensued — we cannot plan and execute a business plan when there are so many unknowns and things are changing so rapidly,” said Stephen Bullock, president of Power Curbers in Salisbury, North Carolina.

The manufacturer expects to lose sales in Canada, its largest export market, where the government has announced 25 percent tariffs on U.S. products in retaliation for Trump’s levies on Canadian goods. Power Curbers makes giant paving and curbing machines, which sell for $350,000 to $500,000.

“So with a 25 percent tariff on our machines, it cripples us,” Bullock said.

(...)

But Trump’s tariffs will mean “higher unemployment, higher prices and reduced competitiveness of the United States,” said former treasury secretary Lawrence Summers.

“These tariffs are utterly ill-conceived. They disadvantage American producers who are integrated across Mexico and Canada relative to producers in the rest of the world, particularly in Asia,” Summers said. “This is a prescription for turning the economy back into the economy of the 1950s when Americans were much poorer than they are today.”

If the tariffs remain in place all year, alongside retaliation by U.S. trading partners, they will cut more than 1 percentage point from the economy’s growth rate, according to Kathy Bostjancic, Nationwide Mutual’s chief economist. Before the president carried out his threat to increase taxes on goods from Canada, Mexico and China, the economy was expected to grow this year at an annual rate of about 2 percent, according to a survey by Bloomberg.


Economist Carl Weinberg at High-Frequency Economics is even gloomier. He expects the economy to shrink all year and tip into “a prolonged recession,” the first since the pandemic in 2020.

Speaking after financial markets closed, Lutnick told FOX that the administration would announce a reduction in its tariffs on Canadian and Mexican goods to “somewhere in the middle” to recognize promises by both countries to intensify their border control efforts.

The tariffs also will boost consumer price inflation, now running at an rate of 3 percent, by 0.6 percentage points. To the typical household, that will mean roughly an extra $1,000 in costs, Bostjancic said.


Two of the nation’s largest retailers, Best Buy and Target, warned that the new taxes on imports will mean higher prices for American consumers.

The tariffs could quickly send gas prices up in much of the Northeast and Midwest, according to an analysis by Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy, a platform that tracks prices at the pump.

Consumers in the Northeast will be hit hardest and fastest, as much of their fuel comes from an Irving Oil refinery in New Brunswick, De Haan wrote. The price of a gallon of gasoline or diesel will jump 20 to 40 cents by mid March, he said.

Higher prices are likewise forecast throughout the Midwest and the Rockies, which also depend on Canadian oil. In the Great Lakes region, prices will increase 10 to 25 cents a gallon, though not as quickly as in the Northeast, De Haan said.

The auto industry will be among those sectors hardest hit by the new tariffs. With supply chains spread across all three North American countries, the industry is warning of almost immediate price increases on some models of up to 25 percent, according to John Bozzella, president of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation.

Automakers are investing in new U.S. facilities, he said. But building new vehicle and battery plants takes longer than imposing tariffs.

“Auto tariffs in North America could end up increasing costs on consumers before jobs come back to the country,” he said.

Midwest farmers, many in states that backed Trump in the 2024 election, will be among the first to feel the trade war’s sting. China responded to Trump’s latest tariffs on Chinese goods by imposing tariffs on many U.S. agricultural products, including soybeans, corn, wheat, pork and chicken.

Mark Recker, who raises corn and soybeans on 1,500 acres in northeast Iowa, faces a double whammy from the trade war. Trump’s tariffs will make the Canadian fertilizer he uses more expensive, while retaliation by U.S. trading partners will cost him soybean sales in China, corn sales in Mexico and ethanol sales in Canada.

“Anybody in commercial production agriculture knows that we can grow corn, soybeans, you name it. We can grow more than enough for our domestic market. Not a problem. What we need is the export market for all those. You just can’t disregard the export market like that,” he said. “That’s very naive.”

Administration officials dismiss complaints about the president’s trade policies. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent told Fox that he was “highly confident” Chinese exporters would “eat the tariffs,” allowing Americans to escape rising prices. :lol:

The same business groups warning of tariffs’ economic costs made the same argument during Trump’s first term and were wrong, according to a White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an issue they were not authorized to talk about with the media.

Still, the sense of unease only deepened Tuesday afternoon when Trump threatened to further increase the tariffs on Canadian goods, after Canada retaliated for his trade moves.

“Please explain to Governor Trudeau, of Canada, that when he puts on a Retaliatory Tariff on the U.S., our Reciprocal Tariff will immediately increase by a like amount!” the president posted on Truth Social, referring to the Canadian leader with an insulting jibe.


On Capitol Hill, Republicans publicly stood behind the president. House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) endorsed Trump’s critique of trade as frequently “unfair” to the United States and supported the latest tariffs.

“If you just have a little patience with this, let it play out, see how it develops. And I think at the end of the day, America is going to be better off,” he told reporters amid the market’s midmorning plunge.

Many Senate Republicans have for months warned against the most extreme versions of Trump’s tariff plans while defending them as negotiating leverage. As Trump has moved forward, GOP lawmakers’ private unease is growing, particularly in states with significant trade with Canada and Mexico, according to two GOP congressional aides and two others briefed on the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect private conversations.

Others remain hopeful Trump’s actions will be quickly reversed.

Business executives, who applauded Trump’s tax cuts and deregulation plans, are concerned that his advisers are not restraining his trade impulses.

During Trump’s first term, his senior team included advisers, such as former treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin and White House aide Gary Cohn, often acted as a brake on Trump’s tariff plans. CEOs trying to influence the White House about the tariffs have contacted Lutnick and Bessent, viewing it as futile to lobby White House trade hawk Peter Navarro, said two other people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect private conversations.

But Trump’s economic advisers were hired only after expressing support for his trade agenda during the transition, limiting their ability to push back now, the people said.


Some of these Cabinet officers have not been sympathetic to business leaders’ complaints. On a call Thursday, U.S. carmakers listened to Lutnick reject their plea for exemptions to the tariffs and insist that they move production back to the United States, two of the people said.

The conversation was first reported by the Wall Street Journal. Executives also have complained to administration officials that they are being punished for complying with the trade deal Trump reached with Mexico and Canada in his first term, with particular frustration emerging among the auto industry, said Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, founder and CEO of the Chief Executive Leadership Institute, citing conversations with numerous industry leaders.

Natalie Allison, Paul Kane, Theodoric Meyer and Marianna Sotomayor in Washington contributed to this report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... inflation/

Re: Business/Markets/Stocks/Economics Random, Random

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:02 pm
by ponchi101
ti-amie wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 11:40 pm
Look at the graph.
It starts up, drops through the day, and then drops back 1%.
If you were to plot the graph in a total scale (not just the segments from 42K to 44K), you could hardly see the dip.
I know, I know, I know. Tiny is an idiot. But don't play the DISASTER card until there really is one. And this one still isn't.

BTW. If Canada stops selling energy to the USA, well, those are tough words. Because then they get no revenue. Let's see who can hold their breath longer.