Talk About Tennis 2.0

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:46 pm

ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:22 pm

Surely he won't get a wild card into DC, right? Maybe qualifying? It's a 500. He could probably get wild cards into Lexington and Chicago Challengers before the Open. Maybe Cincy qualies?

I doubt a WC in DC. I hope these tournaments leading to the USO see the potential of Shelton and do give him WC entries because I think he will do well and make the tournaments exciting.

If Shelton makes SF, special exemption is possible

patrick wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:56 pm If Shelton makes SF, special exemption is possible

If he can somehow get by John isner which is going to be a tough task the tournament is starting to open up with the withdrawals of Kyrgios and Olpeka. So you never know. The other college guy from Georgia Tech Andres Martin who also won his ATP debut in Atlanta could also win his next match as well.

Current Women's Singles Ranking
Monday 7/25/2022

1 Iga Świątek 8336
2 Anett Kontaveit 4476
3 Maria Sakkari 4190
4 Paula Badosa 4030
5 Ons Jabeur 4010
6 Aryna Sabalenka 3267
7 Jessica Pegula 3087
8 Garbiñe Muguruza 2886
9 Danielle Collins 2743
10 Emma Raducanu 2717

11 Cori Gauff 2647
12 Daria Kasatkina 2635
13 Belinda Bencic 2635
14 Leylah Fernandez 2534
15 Karolína Plíšková 2477
16 Simona Halep 2415
17 Jeļena Ostapenko 2302
18 Barbora Krejčíková 2134
19 Veronika Kudermetova 2090
20 Victoria Azarenka 2016

Do I remember correctly that there was a time when the WTA awarded more points for beating higher ranked players?

Owendonovan wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:19 pm Do I remember correctly that there was a time when the WTA awarded more points for beating higher ranked players?

In the 80's. There were BONUS points for beating a higher seed. Beating Navratilova could be as much as 50 points, as she was #1.
But it was a mess. Somebody beating Navs could make more points with that victory than a semifinalists at the same event. Then, it was only if you beat a HIGHER ranked player, meaning Navs (or Evert, pretty much) could never collect any points. Then it was the thing that if Evert beat Navs in the final, she would collect the extra 50 points, but if it was the other way around, Navs could not collect Chrissie's 49.
It was a noble idea that was completely impossible to implement. There were always too many nuances.
Plus, remember that at the time, the ranking was based on an Average; Martina had to be guaranteed her average because her average was so high if she played smaller and mid grade tournaments and still won them, her average would drop because the points given by the tournament (a 125, for example) were less than her average. She was so good and so far above everybody else other than Chris that any formula to make it more fair ended up hurting her ranking.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:21 am Current Women's Singles Ranking
Monday 7/25/2022

1 Iga Świątek 8336
2 Anett Kontaveit 4476
3 Maria Sakkari 4190
4 Paula Badosa 4030
5 Ons Jabeur 4010
6 Aryna Sabalenka 3267
7 Jessica Pegula 3087
8 Garbiñe Muguruza 2886
9 Danielle Collins 2743
10 Emma Raducanu 2717

11 Cori Gauff 2647
12 Daria Kasatkina 2635
13 Belinda Bencic 2635
14 Leylah Fernandez 2534
15 Karolína Plíšková 2477
16 Simona Halep 2415
17 Jeļena Ostapenko 2302
18 Barbora Krejčíková 2134
19 Veronika Kudermetova 2090
20 Victoria Azarenka 2016

Indeed, but perhaps at this stage more illustrative would be race rankings. Here is the top 10

Iga Swiatek 7350
Ons Jabeur 2991
Coco Gauff 2263
Jessica Pegula 2262
Maria Sakkari 2183
Daria Kasatkina 2127
Paula Badosa 2009
Belinda Bencic 1876
Veronika Kudermetiva 1784
Danielle Collins 1757
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Anett Kontaveit 1736
Madison Keys 1733

Taro Daniel is now the #1 male player in Japan, taking over from Nishioka, just two places behind him. Nishikori is down to #160. He held on to the #1 ranking in Japan for at least a decade.

meganfernandez wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:51 pm Taro Daniel is now the #1 male player in Japan, taking over from Nishioka, just two places behind him. Nishikori is down to #160. He held on to the #1 ranking in Japan for at least a decade.

I was actually shocked he lost his 1st round match yesterday to J.J.Wolf, and in the fashion he did at 6-2, 6-3.

That's a long drought. I did not realize that.

ti-amie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:15 pm

That is a strong possibility with the #2 seed in Hubert Hurkacz already out, and the #1 seed is Rublev and anything can happen with him. That would leave Taylor Fritz the top seeded player in the tournament.

something seems drastically wrong with the WTA rankings.. I think the real problem is that 4 of the top 5 arent performing - as senior management, they would be fired!
#2 Kontaveit? hasnt done anything since 2021,
#3 Sakkari, #4 Badosa - over-rated, not really that good
#5 Jabeur may be ok
#6 -Sabalenka.. how on earth?
#7 -Pegula - consistent, middle of the pack, not really top-10 class
#8 - Muguruza - has doen nothing since winning the YEC
#9 - Collins, yes, she is a top 5 player

I would posit that as of now (last day of San Jose), the top 10 are, in no particular order:
Swiatek, Rybakina, Osaka, Gauff, Bencic, Leylah, Kasatkina, Jabeur, collins - if we insist on 10, maybe Anisimova (though I think she will not do well till the clay court season or, at least, Indian Wells)..
THe ATP rankings are messed up because of the ban and the vaccine issue, but otherwise it seems ok, except for Sinner being too low..

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:22 am something seems drastically wrong with the WTA rankings.. I think the real problem is that 4 of the top 5 arent performing - as senior management, they would be fired!
#2 Kontaveit? hasnt done anything since 2021,
#3 Sakkari, #4 Badosa - over-rated, not really that good
#5 Jabeur may be ok
#6 -Sabalenka.. how on earth?
#7 -Pegula - consistent, middle of the pack, not really top-10 class
#8 - Muguruza - has doen nothing since winning the YEC
#9 - Collins, yes, she is a top 5 player

I would posit that as of now (last day of San Jose), the top 10 are, in no particular order:
Swiatek, Rybakina, Osaka, Gauff, Bencic, Leylah, Kasatkina, Jabeur, collins - if we insist on 10, maybe Anisimova (though I think she will not do well till the clay court season or, at least, Indian Wells)..
THe ATP rankings are messed up because of the ban and the vaccine issue, but otherwise it seems ok, except for Sinner being too low..

What you write there ^ makes no sense to me at all, ashkor.
Where do I begin...?

Firstly, as you know, the rankings are indicative of how the player in question has done over the past year, and not on how they've done only in the past 3 months, or on how many Majors they won 3 years ago. Although you obviously know this, you don't seem to understand or accept it, as you are very often criticizing the rankings in the same manner.
You should really start your own rankings system - one which ignores everything except for the most recent 3 months and the 4 Majors!

Kontaveit: She had a great end of 2021. She was the best player in the world over a period of 2 months or so at that time. Therefore, she is #2 now, largely on the strength of that.

Osaka: What has she done recently for you to include her in your CURRENT top 10? I can't think of anything outstanding she's done in the past year. What a player has done in the past, and what they have the 'potential' to do in the future, should not be considered in determining the rankings. Only results over the past year should be considered.

Leylah: She hasn't played a match in 2 months, and no-one knows how she'll play in the coming weeks after the foot injury, in addition to the rust of not playing for a long time - yet she is part of your current top 10, ahead of players who've actually played in those 2 months that Leylah has not played.

Raducanu: In all of your criticism of players 'not deserving' of their ranking, you completely omit the most glaring and obvious example of a player who 'doesn't deserve' her ranking - Raducanu. She is in the top 10 right now, even though she has done absolutely nothing noticeable in the past 11 months - with the exception of an unusually high number of withdrawals and in-match retirements. But you don't mention her at all in your 'not deserving of her ranking' criticism because she is one of your favourites. If you're going to make a personal assessment of the rankings, that's fine - and it's fine for people to agree or to disagree with you - but at least make an attempt to be somewhat fair and objective, and not 'play favourites'.