Talk About Tennis 2.0

So Coric is ranked high enough to be seeded at the US Open. Except (I believe) he will have to go through qualifying.

Even if he qualifies, is he able to be seeded? Do they name the seeds and/or do the draw before qualifying finishes?

Let's hope they have the sensible idea of having a WC still available. That scenario would be silly.

martini4me wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:56 pm So Coric is ranked high enough to be seeded at the US Open. Except (I believe) he will have to go through qualifying.

Even if he qualifies, is he able to be seeded? Do they name the seeds and/or do the draw before qualifying finishes?

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:58 pm Let's hope they have the sensible idea of having a WC still available. That scenario would be silly.

Coric is on the entry list using his protected ranking, so being seeded based on tomorrow's ranking shouldn't be an issue.

Okay, good. I had forgotten about the protected rankings when I first posted that. Then I heard them say he'd gotten into Cincinnati using protected ranking, and so I went and checked the entry list on the US Open thread here. For some reason, I missed him at the bottom of the list of direct entries, along with the other protected ranking players (Bedene, Wawrinka and Edmund).

Rankings may or may not matter to players, but seeded over unseeded does make a difference.

In a nutshell, why they are needed. It was very open in the 60's that the seeding at a tournament was, frequently, done on who would smooch to the organizers the best.

Suliso wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:52 pm Rankings may or may not matter to players, but seeded over unseeded does make a difference.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:08 pm In a nutshell, why they are needed. It was very open in the 60's that the seeding at a tournament was, frequently, done on who would smooch to the organizers the best.

I think rankings are necessary. They have an important practical use. In any competition, you have to track performance. But they have limited predictive value.

I don't know if Petra means that rankings aren't important to her anymore personally, as a goal, or that they don't have predictive value.

Rankings are also a must because there has to be a way to determine eligibility for tournament entry. Rankings are way more important below ca 30. Petra has a luxury of saying that she doesn't care. Most tennis professionals can't afford that.

Suliso wrote:Rankings are also a must because there has to be a way to determine eligibility for tournament entry. Rankings are way more important below ca 30. Petra has a luxury of saying that she doesn't care. Most tennis professionals can't afford that.

Yea true. She has earned that luxury.


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The current candidates for WTA finals (top 8 plus those with min 2,000 points):

Swiatek (Q)
Jabeur
Pegula
Halep
Kasatkina
Gauff
Sakkari
Badosa
---
Garcia
Sabalenka
Keys
Kudermetova
Bencic

The same for the guys:

Nadal (Q)
Tsitsipas
Alcaraz
Ruud
Medvedev
Auger-Aliassime
Rublev
Zverev
...
Hurkacz
Fritz
Norrie
Carreno Busta

Raducanu down to at least #80 dropping 2030 points, and at least 69 places in the rankings.

Suliso wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:00 pm The current candidates for WTA finals (top 8 plus those with min 2,000 points):
Nadal (Q)
Tsitsipas
Alcaraz
Ruud
Medvedev
Auger-Aliassime
Rublev
Zverev
...
Hurkacz
Fritz
Norrie
Carreno Busta

I wonder if Nadal will play, since his baby will be born by then. Zverev probably won't. Tsitsipas should be DQ'd for his performance last night.

Tsistsipas did his usual schizoid routine. A bad match, then a very thoughtful press in which he admitted to have expected not much from his opponent, and paid the price.
These new top players are difficult to understand.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:34 am Tsistsipas did his usual schizoid routine. A bad match, then a very thoughtful press in which he admitted to have expected not much from his opponent, and paid the price.
These new top players are difficult to understand.

Not expecting much from the opponent doesn't really explain losing 11 straight games, and then winning the 3rd set.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:34 am Tsistsipas did his usual schizoid routine. A bad match, then a very thoughtful press in which he admitted to have expected not much from his opponent, and paid the price.
These new top players are difficult to understand.

He was simply miffed because his opponent was permitted to receive the same amount of coaching he always got before it was actually allowed.

Save your sad stories for Oprah, Stefanos...