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Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:38 am
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:25 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:11 am as usual, Swiatek hits shots that physics says arent possible at all,, her body weight going in one direction, she hits the winner in the other direction.. that off-backhand in particular.. how on earth does she do it? she is a genius, a monster..
Modern racquets and strings
then why is she the only one who can do such things? everyone with a modern racket should be able to..!

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:39 am
by ashkor87
Suliso wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:54 pm Azarenka might be a kryptonite for Ostapenko, but Iga is not affected at all.
Swiatek is very quick, and her second serve isnt as bad as Osta's...

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:54 am
by ti-amie
Friday Order of Play

Centre Court

Starts at 7:00 AM

NED D. SCHUURS/BRA L. STEFANI (5) vs CZE M. BOUZKOVA/CZE M. VONDROUSOVA
UPCOMING
KAZ E. RYBAKINA (3)
vs RUS A. PAVLYUCHENKOVA
UPCOMING
POL I. SWIATEK (1)
vs CZE K. PLISKOVA

Grandstand 1
Starts at 8:00 AM

UPCOMING
USA C. DOLEHIDE/USA D. KRAWCZYK vs UKR A. KALININA/CHN Y. XU

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:16 am
by mick1303
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:36 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:16 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:48 am

Quite likely LF will beat her now..she has started to go down her usual path ..showing signs of fatigue, eking out narrow wins over people she would blow away if she were fresh ..then losing to the first good player she meets. If I were managing her, I would certainly get her to play less..she won abu dhabi, but was it worth it? Just a she won Brisbane....
Well well, proved me wrong! Good win for Rybakina 4 and 2
Serious question here.
Why have we entered this era in which a player plays one tournament, wins it, and we immediately decide that they are so tired that they will not be able to play well the next tournament, if they are on consecutive weeks? The great ones from the past did it, regularly, and today's training is far better. Martina would win 2, 3 tournaments in a row, playing serve and volley tennis, and then go to a fourth and reach the final, and then do it again. So did Chris and Steffi. On the men's side, Lendl, Vilas, Wilander and plenty of others would play week in, week out, without a peep of being fatigued.
Rybakina won last week, in Abu Dhabi. That is a one hour flight, on a private luxury jet. Why are we assuming that she is running on empty? She is a young person, and a professional at what she does. She should have no physical issues stemming from fatigue.
And I repeat. Martina was playing S&V tennis, way more tiring than baseline tennis, and win over and over. Mandlikova, BJK too.
1) Depth of the field today
2) S&V style is/was producing much shorter rallies

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:07 pm
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:38 am
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:25 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:11 am as usual, Swiatek hits shots that physics says arent possible at all,, her body weight going in one direction, she hits the winner in the other direction.. that off-backhand in particular.. how on earth does she do it? she is a genius, a monster..
Modern racquets and strings
then why is she the only one who can do such things? everyone with a modern racket should be able to..!
And a lot do. Medvedev, who uses the same racquet, does that. They both have the same ugly strokes, so maybe something about the technifibres.
Kyrgios does it. Sometimes his body is going back and he is able to hit winners from there.

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:18 pm
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:36 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:16 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:48 am

Quite likely LF will beat her now..she has started to go down her usual path ..showing signs of fatigue, eking out narrow wins over people she would blow away if she were fresh ..then losing to the first good player she meets. If I were managing her, I would certainly get her to play less..she won abu dhabi, but was it worth it? Just a she won Brisbane....
Well well, proved me wrong! Good win for Rybakina 4 and 2
Serious question here.
Why have we entered this era in which a player plays one tournament, wins it, and we immediately decide that they are so tired that they will not be able to play well the next tournament, if they are on consecutive weeks? The great ones from the past did it, regularly, and today's training is far better. Martina would win 2, 3 tournaments in a row, playing serve and volley tennis, and then go to a fourth and reach the final, and then do it again. So did Chris and Steffi. On the men's side, Lendl, Vilas, Wilander and plenty of others would play week in, week out, without a peep of being fatigued.
Rybakina won last week, in Abu Dhabi. That is a one hour flight, on a private luxury jet. Why are we assuming that she is running on empty? She is a young person, and a professional at what she does. She should have no physical issues stemming from fatigue.
And I repeat. Martina was playing S&V tennis, way more tiring than baseline tennis, and win over and over. Mandlikova, BJK too.
Prize money. It's a lot bigger now and the top players don't need every last cent.

I agree with you that young players should be able to play consecutive weeks with a short break in the middle and not tucker out. And they probably can, but very top players don't need the money and have to manage their bodies for a long, taxing season. We talk about players being smart with scheduling. This is one factor. But they CAN physically play consecutive weeks, assuming they aren't nursing an injury.

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:37 pm
by ashkor87
everybody's body is different.

Meanwhile, Pliskova has withdrwn with a lower back injury.. and Rybakina is up 5-2 .. so all this discusion is fairly pointless.

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:28 pm
by ashkor87
I am happy to see Rybakina is much more resilient than I had given her credit for!

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:27 pm
by ashkor87
Rybakina versus Swiatek is a rare finals..don't remember if they have met in the finals before ..my sense is they have met only in the semis or quarters...doesn't matter, of course, they would take each other seriously no matter what round it is ..,55% Swiatek, 45% Rybakina?

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:06 pm
by ashkor87
AI says Rybakina 75%...pretty high! She has won 3 out of 4, that doesn't give her 75% chance of winning tomorrow!

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:45 pm
by ti-amie
ashkor87 wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:06 pm AI says Rybakina 75%...pretty high! She has won 3 out of 4, that doesn't give her 75% chance of winning tomorrow!
Does Rybakina have the foot speed to deal with Iga?

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:56 pm
by Suliso
H2H is 3-1 to Rybakina so there is something to it.

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:15 pm
by ti-amie

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 1:20 am
by ashkor87
ti-amie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:45 pm
ashkor87 wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:06 pm AI says Rybakina 75%...pretty high! She has won 3 out of 4, that doesn't give her 75% chance of winning tomorrow!
Does Rybakina have the foot speed to deal with Iga?
No, but the court is slow, foot speed is not at a premium here...

Re: WTA 1000 Doha 2/11 - 2/17 2024

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:32 pm
by Suliso
An outstanding win by Swiatek against a very difficult opponent for her. She does like this tournament, though. The third straight title in Doha!