Talk About Tennis 2.0

Embarrassing showing from Shapovalov and I think it's a cop out to blame the court speed. Same claim about preference for a fast hard court can again be made for Daniil. Denis had to work harder on his serve in that first set, but it wasn't embarrassing like the second set was.

JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:31 am Embarrassing showing from Shapovalov and I think it's a cop out to blame the court speed. Same claim about preference for a fast hard court can again be made for Daniil. Denis had to work harder on his serve in that first set, but it wasn't embarrassing like the second set was.

I would agree that Denis played poorly, and made poor shot selections (jumping backhand that he hit right to Medvedev leaving the whole ad court open for example), it's just that the court doesn't suit him as well so it's another factor against him in the match-up.

These guys are so bad at net.

skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:00 am

JazzNU wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:31 am Embarrassing showing from Shapovalov and I think it's a cop out to blame the court speed. Same claim about preference for a fast hard court can again be made for Daniil. Denis had to work harder on his serve in that first set, but it wasn't embarrassing like the second set was.

I would agree that Denis played poorly, and made poor shot selections (jumping backhand that he hit right to Medvedev leaving the whole ad court open for example), it's just that the court doesn't suit him as well so it's another factor against him in the match-up.

The court doesn't suit many of these players' games I'd say. But my point is, everyone else seems to be figuring it out so I think Denis should be able to as well. And clay not being his preferred surface hasn't kept him from making the semis of Masters tournaments. I'm not willing to blame the court here especially when he didn't look remotely good on fast hard courts this summer, when one would assume, he shouldn't be struggling at all.

skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:55 am These guys are so bad at net.

Maybe height and wing span is a factor in that? Not sure. Rublev is the shortest, but I don't have the highest opinion of his double skills, he needs to be thanking Nastia for the rest of his life for that Olympic medal.

Not that the world was going to come back, but winning this match tonight (which they could have especially after winning the first set) was a requirement.

This supertiebreak has been atrocious.

skatingfan wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:55 am These guys are so bad at net.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Great groundies by 3/4 of the court but at the net...yikes.

Kevin

I suspect next time they will have to come up with some creative ways to break down the teams. For example, remember that Russia is also located in Asia and make Russian players compete for "The rest of the World". I'm not very familiar with Ryder Cup. Have they ever been doing something like this to make teams even?

mick1303 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:43 am I suspect next time they will have to come up with some creative ways to break down the teams. For example, remember that Russia is also located in Asia and make Russian players compete for "The rest of the World". I'm not very familiar with Ryder Cup. Have they ever been doing something like this to make teams even?

Absolutely not and they shouldn't here either. In Ryder cup too sometimes one team is dominant and so be it. They should just wait for those non European superstars to appear on the horizon. It will happen sooner or later.

Talking about such prospects there don't seem to be so many, but perhaps one can single out Shang Juncheng (CHN) who's the current junior #1, only 16 years old and was a runner up at USO few weeks ago. Lives and trains in Bradento, FL. Perhaps a Chinese version of Nishikori and maybe less injury prone?

The difference between Ryder and Laver cups is that Ryder is established, and both teams have won in its history. The reality is that ROTW has never won, and the upcoming crop of players are also all from Europe (Alcaraz, Sinner, Rune, etc).
Claiming Russia as being in Asia would work geographically. But there is no way the Russians will accept that, I believe.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:23 pm The difference between Ryder and Laver cups is that Ryder is established, and both teams have won in its history. The reality is that ROTW has never won, and the upcoming crop of players are also all from Europe (Alcaraz, Sinner, Rune, etc).
Claiming Russia as being in Asia would work geographically. But there is no way the Russians will accept that, I believe.

Why do you think that Russians will be against it? Being Russian myself (at least culturally) I always admit the duality of Russian mentality.