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Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:06 am
by JazzNU
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:13 pm
by ponchi101
After the end of the finals, I will start a topic for "The year in review".
But Daniil had a regression this year. That's for sure.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:08 pm
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:13 pm
After the end of the finals, I will start a topic for "The year in review".
But Daniil had a regression this year. That's for sure.
True but remember how badly he was treated by the crowd at the AO..then came the clay season, he is no good on it anyway..then he was not allowed to play wimbledon..very unfortunate..we need to give him a break and see how he rebounds next year
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:58 pm
by ponchi101
I also remember him telling the Aussie crowd they were idiots. That usually does not make you many friends.
As per above, we can discuss that in that topic, when we start.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:50 am
by ashkor87
Just a data point..if we add 2000 points to Djokovic for Wimbledon, he is tied with Alcaraz at #1
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:17 am
by Deuce
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:50 am
Just a data point..if we add 2000 points to Djokovic for Wimbledon, he is tied with Alcaraz at #1
^ No...
Alcaraz has 6820 points. Djokovic has 4820 points. If we add the 2000 points from Wimbledon to Djokovic, he would be at 6820. But what about Alcaraz's points from Wimbledon? And Nadal's points from Wimbledon? Nadal currently has 6020 points (excluding Wimbledon).
You can't conveniently give only Djokovic his Wimbledon points, but not also give the Wimbledon points to the other players!
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:16 pm
by meganfernandez
Deuce wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:17 am
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:50 am
Just a data point..if we add 2000 points to Djokovic for Wimbledon, he is tied with Alcaraz at #1
^ No...
Alcaraz has 6820 points. Djokovic has 4820 points. If we add the 2000 points from Wimbledon to Djokovic, he would be at 6820. But what about Alcaraz's points from Wimbledon? And Nadal's points from Wimbledon? Nadal currently has 6020 points (excluding Wimbledon).
You can't conveniently give only Djokovic his Wimbledon points, but not also give the Wimbledon points to the other players!
Top 5 with Wimbledon points:
Alcaraz 6970
Djokovic 6820
Nadal 6380
Ruud 5865
Tsitsipas 5650
The big change is that Novak would probably catch Alcaraz next spring if they all had Wimbledon points. Alcaraz is defending almost 2,000 points through Miami and Novak is only defending 90 from Dubai.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:28 pm
by ashkor87
Thanks for the computation! Which I was too lazy to do...although, given how I feel about rankings in general, I wasn't motivated enough to do it .but great that you did..thank you again.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:04 pm
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:13 pm
After the end of the finals, I will start a topic for "The year in review".
But Daniil had a regression this year. That's for sure.
Actually, a year best forgotten! I will spend the next month trying to forget ..!
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:29 pm
by ponchi101
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:04 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:13 pm
After the end of the finals, I will start a topic for "The year in review".
But Daniil had a regression this year. That's for sure.
Actually, a year best forgotten! I will spend the next month trying to forget ..!
I started the "year in review" topic, so you can answer my question there, but why should this year be best forgotten, tennis wise? It has had some very good moments.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:01 pm
by meganfernandez
ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:04 pm
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:13 pm
After the end of the finals, I will start a topic for "The year in review".
But Daniil had a regression this year. That's for sure.
Actually, a year best forgotten! I will spend the next month trying to forget ..!
Still top 10 and still made the year-end finals. Yes, it was a disappointing follow-up to 2021, but some fluctuation in results is normal. Most careers have ups and downs as players navigate life and success and injuries. Most don't sustain their A+++ game month in and month out for years. We just got spoiled by the Big 3.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:14 pm
by ponchi101
Uhm.... not so sure, Megan.
There have been a lot of players that once they got to the top, stayed there on a continuous basis. Connors, Borg, Mac and Lendl arrived and, sure, they did not win a slam every time they got there, but they kept winning tournaments. When the replacements came, they did the same: Wilander, Becker and Edberg kept a high level. Then Sampras came in and, although it was as you say, he won the USO in 90 and "only" won another slam in 93, he kept winning tournaments.
Then the Big 3 came in and basically cleaned the slate.
But I have the feel that Daniil and Stefanos did not improve this year. They were overtaken by Carlitos and, if you give me a longer year, Rune perhaps would have done better than them.
My view is: they stagnated. The only one from that group that I would say escapes that label is Zverev, because of the injury.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:53 pm
by meganfernandez
ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:14 pm
Uhm.... not so sure, Megan.
There have been a lot of players that once they got to the top, stayed there on a continuous basis. Connors, Borg, Mac and Lendl arrived and, sure, they did not win a slam every time they got there, but they kept winning tournaments. When the replacements came, they did the same: Wilander, Becker and Edberg kept a high level. Then Sampras came in and, although it was as you say, he won the USO in 90 and "only" won another slam in 93, he kept winning tournaments.
Then the Big 3 came in and basically cleaned the slate.
But I have the feel that Daniil and Stefanos did not improve this year. They were overtaken by Carlitos and, if you give me a longer year, Rune perhaps would have done better than them.
My view is: they stagnated. The only one from that group that I would say escapes that label is Zverev, because of the injury.
By top, do you mean top 2 or 3? Daniil's still Top 10. I'd say there's more competition than in Mac and Jimbo's days, and the tour is more rigorous. I agree Daniil's year wasn't as good as last year, and that's going to be the standard, but he still had a good year. It's not a big drop. It's a little drop. Otherwise he'd be out of the top 10.
And yes, Carlitos and RUne improved more because they had more room for improvement. Let's see if they continue to post steady improvement year after year or have the usual bumps in the road. I bet Rune will. Carlitos, who knows, he seems like a beast but these impressions aren't predictions.
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:56 am
by ashkor87
Re: ATP & WTA rankings
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:10 am
by ashkor87