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Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:08 pm
by JazzNU
JTContinental wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:57 pm Samsonova at 4 has to be a joke, and Alexandrova might consider winning a title before you put her in the top 10
He's the biggest Alexandrova supporter I've seen, consistently putting her in as a contender to win slams. A good reminder that every player has fans.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:03 am
by ashkor87
Fastbackss wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:25 am
JTContinental wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:44 am
I remember something last year about reaching the QFs or better in all of the big Premier level + tournaments she entered except no-points Wimbledon
Here is what I posted last month:

Pegula's made the quarters at 4 of the last 5 Slams.
In the 8 WTA1000 last year she won 1, lost in final of 1, lost in semis of 2, lost in quarters of 2, lost in 3R of 2, and 2R of
very true but would that make her the third or fourth best player in the world? I dont think it is enough.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:07 am
by ashkor87
JazzNU wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:08 pm
JTContinental wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:57 pm Samsonova at 4 has to be a joke, and Alexandrova might consider winning a title before you put her in the top 10
He's the biggest Alexandrova supporter I've seen, consistently putting her in as a contender to win slams. A good reminder that every player has fans.
yes, we all need a risky asset in our portfolio.. last year around August, I had Samsonova and she has done well for me. I am expecting Alexandrova to do well soon.. she has more upside, in my opinion, than,say, Pegula. If we just go by the ranking, what is the fun in it?

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:08 am
by ashkor87
JTContinental wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:57 pm Samsonova at 4 has to be a joke, and Alexandrova might consider winning a title before you put her in the top 10
why is it a joke? have you watched her performance recently? she has played up to this level, I think...

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:22 am
by ashkor87
ponchi101 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:43 pm I really don't know what else to ask you, because every time I have asked you how would you change the rankings, you have said you don't know.
Change them so they would mean something to you.

Pegula did not go and buy her ranking points at the supermarket. If it were that easy, she would be #1; her dad would buy her the ranking.

And the rankings say a lot of things. For example: Iga is 4,000 points over Sabalenka. Which tells you that during the last year, she has been that much better.
OVER THE LAST YEAR. Not the last few weeks.
I thought I had - rankings are good for the past, not useful for the future, that is all .for that, we have to use our knowledge and understanding of the game, which is what makes it fun!

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:39 pm
by Sinner Fan
I think rankings are useful for seeding in tournaments. Rankings do not determine who going into tournament is the best player because they are seed at #1 spot. You look recently at play of Caroline Garcia and she was not top seed player in big tournament and she play well because she was playing top of her game. Iga is playing top of game and is #1 player and the ranking is correct for that. The same for Carlos Alcaraz. That not saying on certain surface they cannot be beat.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:09 pm
by ashkor87
Let us wait for the end of IW, my ranking is for this period.
The clay court season is something else altogether.. Stuttgart is the first, I would say - charleston is not really clay. It is something between hard court and clay.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:14 pm
by ponchi101
Charleston is har tru. Sure, not European red clay, but the sliding is the same. The ball bounces a bit more, though.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:25 pm
by JTContinental
Mostly quiet on the rankings front this week. Pegula and Jabeur will switch places at 3 and 4, respectively. Also of note, Vondrousova and Yastremska are both out of the top 100.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:42 am
by Fastbackss
ashkor87 wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:03 am

very true but would that make her the third or fourth best player in the world? I dont think it is enough.
With what rankings are intended for today? Yes.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:21 am
by Deuce
Well, if we're going to ignore the actual rankings, which I believe fairly tell us who the best players have been over the past year, and instead are to go by ranking players to the second (or half second?) as Ashkor seems to favour - that is, the hottest players at the moment are ranked the highest -, then I must humbly admit that those times when I've hit the perfect down the line backhand, I was the #1 player in the world for a brief period.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:18 am
by Suliso
JTContinental wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:25 pm Mostly quiet on the rankings front this week. Pegula and Jabeur will switch places at 3 and 4, respectively. Also of note, Vondrousova and Yastremska are both out of the top 100.
Also Samsonova at career high #13.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:22 am
by Suliso
Teenagers in the top 100 (WTA)

#6 Coco Gauff (18.9)
#50 Linda Noskova (18.2)
#52 Linda Fruhvirtova (17.8)
#90 Diana Shnaider (18.8)

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:29 am
by Suliso
Five youngest players in the top 100 (ATP)

#2 Carlos Alcaraz (19.7)
#10 Holger Rune (19.8)
#42 Ben Shelton (20.3)
#18 Lorenzo Musetti (20.9)
#44 Jack Draper (21.1)

Good chance that Arthur Fils joins this list very soon.

Re: ATP & WTA rankings

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:05 am
by JazzNU
JTContinental wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:25 pm Mostly quiet on the rankings front this week. Pegula and Jabeur will switch places at 3 and 4, respectively. Also of note, Vondrousova and Yastremska are both out of the top 100.
I think Marketa will reverse that fairly soon enough. But I have to ask yet again, do these players know the rules for protected ranking? Because it regularly seems like they don't. We know for certain in the case of Coco Vandeweghe, she didn't have the first clue about it. Don't rush your comeback and Marketa is easily at the correct length to enter Aussie Open and even the other Aussie tournaments with a PR. Why wouldn't you use that?