Talk About Tennis 2.0

ti-amie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:36 pm

Given what Linette went through with the scheduling this week, this is quite impressive.

Very pretty trophies. I had not seen them before.
Good win for Belinda. Let's hope she will be in the mix for RG.

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:27 pm

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:23 am This green clay is always slippery, even more than red - Jabeur will do very well here.. she stays low, maintains her balance, and her drop shots can be lethal here.. I love Bencic, but I expect Jabeur to beat her here..

I always felt that Har-Tru is an underrated surface. Sure, it can get very slippery when it dries up, but a well-kept court can be fair to all styles. You can serve and volley because the volleys will have penetration, and you can play from the back also. Water it more, and it is slow, a bit less and it is fast.
Kyrgios would hate it. It is the most changing of all surfaces.

Fair enough..I have played on it only once,at the Rock Creek club in the DC area, about 38 years ago...didn't feel like clay, felt like a slippery hard court..

ponchi101 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:15 am Very pretty trophies. I had not seen them before.
Good win for Belinda. Let's hope she will be in the mix for RG.

Yes but I have little hope she can do well at RG..Wimbledon, yes..

It is my view that Bencic's A game is superior to Jabeur's. This time it reflects in the final score as well. 6th career title for Belinda.

Suliso wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:25 am It is my view that Bencic's A game is superior to Jabeur's. This time it reflects in the final score as well. 6th career title for Belinda.

Yes, I agree..in the end she is simply the better player

Suliso wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:25 am It is my view that Bencic's A game is superior to Jabeur's. This time it reflects in the final score as well. 6th career title for Belinda.

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:06 am Yes, I agree..in the end she is simply the better player

By "game is superior" and "better player", do you two mean that Bencic is superior to/better than Jabeur when the two play against each other, or that Bencic is superior to/better than Jabeur overall, when playing against all the players?

I remind you that the generally accepted unit of measure when it comes to the latter (against all players) is the official ranking system, in which Jabeur is currently #10, and Bencic is #13.

My personal perspective is that the quality/talent level of these two players vs. all players is quite similar. Their style of play, however, is not very similar. I prefer watching Jabeur, because she is more creative and incorporates more variety, and thus is more interesting for me.
Psychologically, I'd say that Jabeur is slightly stronger - though I don't consider either of them among the, say, top 10 mentally strongest WTA players. That said, I believe that Bencic has become psychologically stronger in the past couple of months or so than she was previously - likely due to an age/experience based increased overall maturity.

It is a completely subjective assessment that if Bencic and Jabeur were to play 10 matches against each other Belinda would win 6-7. In principle clay ought to favor Jabeur. Historically Bencic is weaker than her ranking indicates on this surface, but then again the green US clay is a bit unique.

ashkor87 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:36 am ...
Fair enough..I have played on it only once,at the Rock Creek club in the DC area, about 38 years ago...didn't feel like clay, felt like a slippery hard court..

It felt like a slippery hard court because that is what it is
Serious here, it was my surface of choice for years. The club I played in in Caracas had har-tru courts, but not well kept. But I find that transitioning from Har-Tru to clay is very easy. You can slide and play good defense on it.
In the 70's, it showed some promise. But Connors did not like it much (even though he won one USO on it) and it took away from the American power servers, which was its death sentence. When the USO moved to Flushing, it simply would not survive. Now it is pretty much present in the American South (Georgia, Fl, the Carolinas, Texas) but I don't know if in any other places.
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Belinda Vs Ons, on multiple surfaces? Only two matches in the H2H, both Belinda's. But I would say Ons would beat her on clay (not har-tru, as we saw yesterday) and Belinda would be favored on hards. But totally a worthless opinion.

This was 46-year-old former doubles #1 Kveta Peschke's last tour event. She will be retiring later this summer at Wimbledon.

I thought Mirza retired.
Nevermind, this is last years tourney I clicked on.

Ed Salmon
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Down 0-6 1-4 to Jabeur in Charleston, Kalinskaya retires due to illness.

She also took an MTO for a large blister on her heel.