'22 USO Day 1 OoP & Discussion

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Re: '22 USO Day 1 OoP & Discussion

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Sure. It looks like it is not advisable, on many occasions.
But it is circular. The players that play at the small tournaments are not the top players; ergo, they lose early at the big tournaments.
So the sample is a bit skewed. I am sure that if the top players were to play those tournaments, they would still do well at the slams. Daria Saville losing in the first round here is not because of the scheduling; it is because she is Daria Saville.
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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:29 pm And yes, Saville made Kasatkina run. A 4&4 match, slightly under 2 hours. It was not a titanic struggle.
Unnecessary. The match was grueling with both of them doubled over catching their breath many times.
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Re: '22 USO Day 1 OoP & Discussion

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nelslus wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:34 pm
JazzNU wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:30 pmThis is why I'm not pleased with the US Open. Half the finalists are scheduled for Tuesday (both men and Sasnovich) and the other half today. Do it for all 6 and eliminate the problem.
Slams have done this through the years- most definitely the US Open. In addition to what I've said before- another way that the Slams can be quite players-unfriendly.
Most definitely. But there's been more of a push recently to improve this and it was very clearly floated that all the finalists would be playing on Tuesday, none of Monday. So that's what it seemed like it would be. I saw it online, they said it on Tennis Channel during the matches, that was the initial thinking. But no, half of them got screwed as they clearly decided to not help everyone out.
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Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
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JazzNU wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:41 pmMost definitely. But there's been more of a push recently to improve this and it was very clearly floated that all the finalists would be playing on Tuesday, none of Monday. So that's what it seemed like it would be. I saw it online, they said it on Tennis Channel during the matches, that was the initial thinking. But no, half of them got screwed as they clearly decided to not help everyone out.
Problem always is, tennis poo-bahs, talk, talk and talk. Making changes almost always happens at a glacial rate.
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nelslus wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:53 pm ...

Problem always is, tennis poo-bahs, talk, talk and talk. Making changes almost always happens at a glacial rate.
If at all.
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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:45 pm Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
Galan playing out of his mind and Stefanos having a meltdown is what it seems like right now. Unforced errors out the wazoo.

But he's drumming up an excuse right now from the looks of it getting his BP checked (it's fine).
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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:45 pm Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
0-6, 0-5..... :freaking:
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nelslus wrote:
ponchi101 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:45 pm Anything wrong with Tsitsipas? 0-6, 0-3 to Galan. Something is very off.
0-6, 0-5..... :freaking:
Don’t know what’s worse, Tsitsipas’s form or Serena’s dress. The outfit looks so cheap. I am stunned.


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Re: '22 USO Day 1 OoP & Discussion

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ponchi101 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:54 pm Kasatkina played last week. Sure. She won. Sure. She played 4 matches.
But she played 2 matches combined the two previous weeks, at Toronto and Cincy. It is not as if she has a load of matches lately.
She simply fluctuates wildly, and plays her best tennis at smaller events, because it is not as if Darriet Hart was a killer draw. And if she can't recover from one match after having one day off, well, she would have lost earlier last week.
ponchi101 wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:29 pm About Kasatkina still. If she hadn't played last week, she would be coming in with almost two weeks of no competitive tennis.
Look at Halep; the total opposite scenario. She won Toronto, decided it was enough tennis as preparation for the USO. She came in rested, with a big win. Yet, out.
The losing finalist at Toronto did the same, and today crushed the best opponent of the three we are talking about. This thing about having to come rested depends on the player.
And yes, Saville made Kasatkina run. A 4&4 match, slightly under 2 hours. It was not a titanic struggle.
Yes, Kasatkina should have received a Tuesday start in N.Y. We don't know if she requested one or not - but that shouldn't matter - a Tuesday start for her and for Gavrilova (Saville) should have been automatic.

That said, as ponchi points out (twice) above... Kasatkina lost early in Toronto and Cincinnati - and if she would not have played the Granby 250 last week and still lost today, those criticizing her playing Granby now would be saying that she lost because she DIDN'T play last week after two early losses the previous weeks!

After early loses in Toronto and Cincinnati, it's entirely understandable that she wanted to find some good form, and did not want to go to N.Y. on the back of consecutive early losses. She wanted to find her form and regain some confidence - so she played Granby (which she would not have played if she had won a couple of rounds in Cincy). To me, this makes perfect sense.

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Ok, Stefanos will win in 5. He just could not stand not being the star of the night, and wanted a bit of drama.
Man, if he ever dated Alize...
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Kasatkina is inconsistent - she won 2 titles this summer, and had 3 first round loses.

The US Open is Halep's worst of the four Grand Slam events.
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ponchi101 wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:25 am Ok, Stefanos will win in 5. He just could not stand not being the star of the night, and wanted a bit of drama.
Man, if he ever dated Alize...
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Re: '22 USO Day 1 OoP & Discussion

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I wonder if Kasatkina would still be inconsistent if she had a professional serve, instead of the serve of an 8 year old girl.
Her weak serve (and that's being kind) puts more pressure on the rest of her game, of course. That can wear you down psychologically.

I watched her serving in practice last week live. In practice, she has a normal, average WTA level serve, and it can be used as a weapon at times. But in matches, which is when it counts, she merely puts the ball in play very politely. It seems pretty obvious then that the problem with her serve is not physical, but is psychological in nature (nerves, anxiety, pressure, etc.).
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Re: '22 USO Day 1 OoP & Discussion

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Unless it's qualies, I wouldn't be playing right before a slam. A 3nd round win at a slam is probably close if not more than the winners prize money at a 250 event. At least she's not suffering in the closet anymore.
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